How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

**pseudolus** · 19-03-2015, 06:22 PM

Anyway, heres something to ponder about Putin. Ask the question "what happened when the berlin wall fell? Did the west beat communism or did the soviets start what they call "stage 3" where they moved out to global domination. I recall a comment from an ex-stasi leader who said that the access the NSA has world wide recording every phone call, message, email etc (not metadata... because that was a lie) was the dream of the stasi... and yet we are currently subjected to a system that would make the soviets blush with pride.

Check out Christopher Storey. He thought (before he was murdered) that the cold war never finished. How dangerous is Putin? Maybe very very dangerous but not for the bullshit reasons the US and the mainstream media is trying to whip up.

**OhOh** · 20-03-2015, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Takeovers

when the russian troops attack?

**Exit Strategy** · 24-03-2015, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I recall a comment from an ex-stasi leader

He would not have known a thing, technology did not exist in his time, and later on only NSA and GCHQ had it. Soviets were stone age - you don't run billion dollar server farms in medieval state with failing telephone connections - and then they crashed, oh there was some "hidden city" or two we knew of them anyway.

**robuzo** · 24-03-2015, 04:44 PM

^Upper Volta with missiles, as the old joke used to go, back when there was an Upper Volta. I had some Soviet friends who didn't know how bad they had it until they visited East Germany. The KGB themselves were the first to work out that the little command economy experiment wasn't ever going to work, and that is why the putsch against Gorbachev failed.

**OhOh** · 25-03-2015, 11:51 AM

It seems the mighty USA "test fired" a defanged Minuteman missile yesterday. No word as to where it landed.

As it was from the west coast I am sure North Korea and China will "display" an equally thrilling video to their masses.

F. E. Warren conducts Minuteman III missile test launch from Vandenberg

"3/23/2015 - VANDENBERG AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. -- A team of Air Force Global Strike Command Airmen launched an unarmed Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile equipped with a test reentry vehicle today at 3:36 a.m. Pacific Daylight Time from Vandenberg Air Force Base, California.

Every test launch verifies the accuracy and reliability of the ICBM weapon system, providing valuable data to ensure a safe, secure and effective nuclear deterrent. The launch team, under the direction of the 576th Flight Test Squadron, Vandenberg AFB, included Airmen from the 90th Missile Wing at F. E. Warren AFB, Wyoming.

"A lot of work and preparation goes in to an operational test launch from the teams on both bases," said Lt. Col Tytonia Moore, 90th MW, Task Force commander. "With these launches, we not only verify our processes and the ICBM weapon system, we provide a visual to the world that the Minuteman III is capable of striking pretty much anywhere with extreme precision."

"The role we play here is vital to the testing and evaluation of the Minuteman III program," said Col. Kelvin Townsend, 576th Flight Test Squadron commander. "We ensure the facilities and framework are in place to conduct operational test launches in a safe and secure manner with multiple team players contributing to the reliability of the test."

F. E. Warren AFB is one of three missile bases with crew members standing alert 24-7 year round, overseeing the nation's 450 ICBM alert forces.

The ICBM community, including the Department of Defense, the Department of Energy, and U.S. Strategic Command will use the data collected from this mission for continuing force development evaluation.

The ICBM test launch program demonstrates the operational credibility of the Minuteman III and ensures the United States' ability to maintain a strong, credible nuclear deterrent as a key element of U.S. national security and the security of U.S. allies and partners."

**Neverna** · 25-03-2015, 03:44 PM

Edging closer and closer to a cold war.

**Takeovers** · 25-03-2015, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Edging closer and closer to a cold war.

Actually test shots out of Vandenberg are pretty routine. The difference is that they get reported more widely now.

**OhOh** · 26-03-2015, 10:53 AM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Edging closer and closer to a cold war.

Now that the US politicians have voted to give Ukranians "leathal defensive weapons" the temperature has risen a few degrees.

Does this announcement by the worlds only super power mean that other pretend super powers can give it's cannon fodder the same weapon types? Does anybody in the USA actually consider the obvious potential consequences of their actions before putting their foot in their mouth.

Russia has now been given the green light to supply, train, assist the Iranians/Syrians with

1. More potent Surface to Air DEFENCE systems.
2. It could also supply anti ship missiles to protect it's country from invading forces.
3. Then we move into protecting one's country with leathal "for deterrent only" defensive nuclear tipped ground to ground missiles for the existential threats or todays bogey man.
4. A few nuclear missile armed submarines wouldn't go amiss either to enhance the defense of their country either - The nuclear powers all call their nuclear tipped missiles a deterrent.

When will the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation/Shànghǎi Hézuò Zǔzhī/Shankhayskaya Organizatsiya Sotrudnichestva 's defensive nuclear umbreller encompase all of SE Asia?

**bsnub** · 26-03-2015, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Now that the US politicians have voted to give Ukranians "leathal defensive weapons" the temperature has risen a few degrees.

You clearly have no idea how the American government works. They are not supplying Ukraine with any weapons.

You can go clean up your underwear now.

**OhOh** · 26-03-2015, 11:59 AM

You mean this is fiction?

Bill Summary & Status - 114th Congress (2015 - 2016) - H.RES.162 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

H.RES.162
Latest Title: Calling on the President to provide Ukraine with military assistance to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity.
Sponsor: Rep Engel, Eliot L. [NY-16] (introduced 3/23/2015) Cosponsors (12)
Latest Major Action: 3/23/2015 Passed/agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 348 - 48 (Roll no. 131).

And this is fiction

Bill Text - 114th Congress - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

""Whereas the United States and its allies need a long-term strategy to expose and challenge Vladimir Putin's corruption and repression at home and his aggression abroad: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives strongly urges the President to fully and immediately exercise the authorities provided by Congress to provide Ukraine with lethal defensive weapon systems to enhance the ability of the people of Ukraine to defend their sovereign territory from the unprovoked and continuing aggression of the Russian Federation."

Supplying weapons, who would ever dream that anybody is supplying weapons, "trainers", financial resources, intelligence, managementto the warring factions. It is an out and out impossibility.

**bsnub** · 26-03-2015, 10:07 PM

Like I said you have no clue how US government works. Not a clue.

If the house had say over foreign policy. Oh never mind

**OhOh** · 27-03-2015, 08:44 AM

So, one part of the USA democratic process has no relevance, to the foreign policy decisions.

Pray tell does any body, other than the POTUS, else have any influence on the USA foreign policy?

**bsnub** · 27-03-2015, 12:19 PM

POTUS sets foreign policy in the US not the Congress. Congress can pass as many referendums as they wish but the president has no obligation to pay any attention to them.

The referendum passed this month was simply urging the President to arm the Ukrainians. It is hollow and means next to nothing.

**Klondyke** · 27-03-2015, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

POTUS sets foreign policy in the US...

Trying hard to imagine, how the big guys go every day in the meeting, excited and curious awaiting what the POTUS will at last tell them, what to do.

**OhOh** · 27-03-2015, 02:45 PM

^Thanks

**Klondyke** · 27-03-2015, 03:10 PM

"lethal defensive weapons"
Isn't it a joke? Killing, however, defensing

Perhaps, more believable (for the ones who want to believe) would be
"defensing lethal"?

**Klondyke** · 27-03-2015, 03:26 PM

1.3 - 2 M people dead within last couple of years.

A study of IPPNW (health organisation of 63 nations) - Nobel Prize for Peace 1985: Casualty Figures after 10 Years:

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

Somebody should tell to the dangerous Mr. Putin to stop the killing.

For what he got in 2009 the Nobel Prize for Peace?

**robuzo** · 27-03-2015, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

1.3 - 2 M people dead within last couple of years.

A study of IPPNW (health organisation of 63 nations) - Nobel Prize for Peace 1985: Casualty Figures after 10 Years:

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

Somebody should tell to the dangerous Mr. Putin to stop the killing.

For what he got in 2009 the Nobel Prize for Peace?

If Putin wants to invade and kill won't sending weapons the Ukrainian Army and militias give him further justification to do so?

**OhOh** · 28-03-2015, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by robuzo

If Putin wants to invade and kill won't sending weapons the Ukrainian Army and militias give him further justification to do so?

If and when Russia decides to strike back the war will be finished quickly. It all all the advantages. But why should they invade, the opposition is doing all the hard lifting for them.

No. 1 The POTUS has to "deliver" the weapons to the correct side. (Occasional mishaps occur when identifying the "correct" side and when you rely on identification using "intelligence" or visual confirmation from 6 miles up in the sky) .
No. 2 The freedom fighters in the East appear to be quite capable of "relieving" US weapons from the Ukrainian army fleeing for there lives.
No. 3 The Ukrainian army need to understand when and where to point, how to target and maintain the weapons.
No. 4 The POTUS has to ensure a constabt supply of ammunition for these "defensive weapons".
No. 5 The POTUS has a nasty habit of deserting countries and leaving useful weapons caches for anyone to pickup and use.

Should the freedom fighters be worried, so far they have accounted for themselves pretty well.

What it does mean is that Putin and whoever else wants too, has a precedent set by the POTUS, they keep coming back to bite the POTUS, to disregard the UN, disregard the UNSC, disregard international law........... and if questioned reply "The worlds only global superpower is already doing it and is convincing other countries into coalitions to themselves ignore any previous rules/agreements".

**baldrick** · 28-03-2015, 01:10 PM

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

More and more, posts and commentaries on the Internet in Russia and even abroad are generated by professional trolls, many of whom receive a higher-than-average salary for perpetuating a pro-Kremlin dialogue online.

One Professional Russian Troll Tells All

**Neverna** · 28-03-2015, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by baldrick

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

More and more, posts and commentaries on the Internet in Russia and even abroad are generated by professional trolls, many of whom receive a higher-than-average salary for perpetuating a pro-Kremlin dialogue online.

One Professional Russian Troll Tells All

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters. I'm sure one of them ended up here on TD (but seems to be AWOL at the mo).

**Klondyke** · 28-03-2015, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by baldrick

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

More and more, posts and commentaries on the Internet in Russia and even abroad are generated by professional trolls, many of whom receive a higher-than-average salary for perpetuating a pro-Kremlin dialogue online.

One Professional Russian Troll Tells All

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters. I'm sure one of them ended up here on TD (but seems to be AWOL at the mo).

However, RFE/RL surely would not lie to us (aren't they professionals?)

BTW, I like the first photo in the link. Isn't it the ENIGMA machine that broke the Nazi German secret code?

**bsnub** · 28-03-2015, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by baldrick

who are the professional paid trolls in this thread ?

Gee I wonder...

**bsnub** · 28-03-2015, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters.

Do you have a link for that?

**Neo** · 28-03-2015, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Neverna

The USA admitted it has/had its own professional posters.

Do you have a link for that?

You find it hard to believe that a government employs people to spread disinformation on the internet..?

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