Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

http://rt.com/news/228043-ukraine-conflict-army-russia/

Ukraine chief of staff ‘thwarts Western allegations’ by admitting no combat with Russian troops

Kind of contradicts the "official" reasons for the sanctions and the US sending more guns and ammo to the Nazis in Kiev when the words of a top Ukrainian General completely contradicts obombas war hungry blood thirsty rhetoric.

^according to Russian state controlled media.

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Originally Posted by Humbert

^according to Russian state controlled media.

Just because your precious elite owned press wont show you the video of the interview does not mean it did not happen. Blimey never thought you were that brain dead. Well yes I did actually.

Nobody other than some crazy religious nutcase is going to launch nuclear weapons. They are not a deterrent in themselves. MAD is the deterrent.

Vlad The Man have visions of greatness, not heaven. Nuclear weapons are not a threat, except for the above-mentioned whack jobs.



My 2c in the Looper vs the Nutjobs thread.

(Wtf happened in my absence? Looper evolving from wearing high heels to making sense. What's the world coming to?)

Originally Posted by pseudolus

obombas war hungry blood thirsty rhetoric.

Obama, the dithering, blood thirsty, war mongering lamb.

A veritable modern 'n meek Genghis Khan. Someone should do a cartoon of that image...

Originally Posted by FlyFree

Nobody other than some crazy religious nutcase is going to launch nuclear weapons. They are not a deterrent in themselves. MAD is the deterrent.

Israel and the us then. Echoes my thoughts as well

Israel I can buy, US not so much. Not quite crazy enuff. Even in Texas.

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

" We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army."

Well. No one on TD postulated that they did

Not even the EU lackeys did

Or did I miss something there ?

Originally Posted by helge

Or did I miss something there ?

There are 33 pages, go have a look.

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

" We are not fighting with the regular Russian Army."

Well. No one on TD postulated that they did

Not even the EU lackeys did

Or did I miss something there ?

The usual defenders of Obama are saying this. There really are some brain dead morons on this board slurping at obama and the state departments furry cup of lies.

I just watched this video. It takes about 10 minutes to get in to it but found it good.

Russian national Igor Strelkov, a former commander of pro-Moscow separatists in eastern Ukraine, has claimed personal responsibility for unleashing the conflict in which 4,300 people have been killed since April.

"I was the one who pulled the trigger of this war," Strelkov said in an interview published Thursday with Russia's Zavtra newspaper, which espouses imperialist views.

"If our unit hadn't crossed the border, everything would have fizzled out — like in [the Ukrainian city of] Kharkiv, like in Odessa," Strelkov, who uses that nom-de-guerre meaning "Shooter" to replace his last name Girkin, was quoted as saying.

"There would have been several dozen killed, burned, detained. And that would have been the end of it. But the flywheel of the war, which is continuing to this day, was spun by our unit. We mixed up all the cards on the table," he said.

Following Russia's annexation of Crimea this spring, clashes between pro-Ukrainian and pro-Moscow activists broke out in the cities of Kharkiv and Odessa, with more than 40 people killed in a fire in Odessa in early May.

Since then, the two cities have remained largely peaceful, and most of the fighting between rebels and government forces has been limited to the eastern Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

Strelkov's interview was published the same day the United Nations released a report highlighting the involvement of Russian fighters in the eastern Ukraine conflict, which has resulted in the deaths of more than 4,300 people since mid-April.

"The continuing presence of a large amount of sophisticated weaponry, as well as foreign fighters that include servicemen from the Russian Federation, directly affects the human rights situation in the east of Ukraine," the report said.

Reluctant
Strelkov also told Zavtra that at the beginning of the conflict, Ukrainian separatists and government forces were reluctant to start fighting and that the main opposition to the rebels came from Ukraine's ultranationalist militants such as the Right Sector.

"At first, nobody wanted to fight," he was quoted as saying. "The first two weeks went on under the auspices of the sides trying to convince each other [to engage]."

But Strelkov claimed Kiev became emboldened after seeing that Russia was refraining from openly interfering in eastern Ukraine, as it did in Crimea, or from sending in large-scale forces.

He added that the lack of large-scale support from Russia was a major disappointment for the separatists, who lacked the manpower or weapons to combat government forces.

"Initially I assumed that the Crimea scenario would be repeated: Russia would enter," he told Zavtra. "That was the best scenario. And the population wanted that. Nobody intended to fight for the Luhansk and Donetsk republics. Initially everybody was for Russia."

Russian Involvement
Strelkov also gave an account of the degree of Russia's involvement in the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

At the start of this summer, 90 percent of the rebel forces were made up of local residents, Strelkov was quoted as saying. However, by early August, Russian servicemen supposedly on "vacation" from the army had begun to arrive, he said.

According to Strelkov, the assault on the Black Sea town of Mariupol in September, which prompted concerns in Ukraine and the West that Russia has entered the conflict on a large scale, was conducted mostly by the Russian military "vacationers."

The rebel forces advancing on Mariupol at that time met with little resistance from government troops and "could have been taken without a fight, "but there was an order not to take it," he was quoted as saying.

While Moscow has repeatedly denied supplying the rebels with weaponry and manpower, Strelkov said the assistance offered to rebels remains significant: "I can't say that we fully provide for them. But we are really helping them," he said, noting that half of the rebel army was equipped with winter clothes sent from Russia.

Shock Decision
After Donetsk and Luhansk held "referendums" on their independence from Ukraine in May, separatist leaders appealed to Moscow to accept the territories as Russian regions but Moscow responded with vague statements calling for "dialogue" between rebels and Kiev.

The separatist groups had not contemplated building functional states and had pinned their hopes on being absorbed by Russia, Strelkov said, reasoning that Moscow needed a land connection to Crimea, which it had annexed in March.

"And then, when I understood that Russia was not going to take us in — I associated myself with the resistance — for us that decision was a shock," Strelkov was quoted as saying.

Strelkov has been living in Russia since early this fall, when he said he was moving to Moscow to protect President Vladimir Putin from enemies and traitors.

While he seems to have fallen out of favor with Russia's state-run media, having disappeared from their newscasts, he has taken to YouTube and fringe publication to issue an occasional appeal for increased Russian military involvement in eastern Ukraine.

"From the very beginning we started to fight for real — destroying raiding parties of the Right Sector," Strelkov told Zavtra. "And I take personal responsibility for what is happening there."

According to a UN report released Thursday, at least 4,317 people had been killed in eastern Ukraine by mid-November, and 9,921 wounded. The casualties include nearly 1,000 who have perished since a "tenuous cease-fire" was established earlier this fall, the report said.

Russia's Igor Strelkov: I Am Responsible for War in Eastern Ukraine | News | The Moscow Times

The puppeteer behind Obama, Polish lord of the manor and ardent Russian hater Brzezinski continues to push for full on war against Russia

Hearing National Security Threats | Video | C-SPAN.org

Wants full on deployment of US military to the Baltic states. This bloke makes Dick Cheney and Bush "Cathy O'Brien's not his bigger fan" Senior and Jr look tame and fairly normal.

Ever wonder why these hawk fellas like Brzezinski and Kissinger sound like Dr. Strangelove?

Because they are?

Lol

Originally Posted by Norton

Ever wonder why these hawk fellas like Brzezinski and Kissinger sound like Dr. Strangelove?

They're scary.
Amazing [not really] that Brze still has some clout amongst the extremist factions.

Folks akin need to be put down or put away.

Originally Posted by Humbert

^according to Russian state controlled media.

State run actually.

The BBC is state run

The CBC is state run

ect ect ect

for those that are interested - Putin’s Way | FRONTLINE | PBS

FRONTLINE investigates the accusations of criminality and corruption that have surrounded Vladimir Putin's reign in Russia.

https://kickass.to/frontline-2015-pu...t10086505.html

also I have decided to read this next

Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible.The Surreal Heart of the New Russia - Peter Pomerantsev

Originally Posted by baldrick

for those that are interested - Putin’s Way | FRONTLINE | PBS

But PBS is a proven propaganda vehicle for American Interests. I watched most of it until it dawned on me that it lacked any primary evidence and totally relied on anedotal stories from people who doubtless might be viewed as someone who has felt the wrath of Putin in some form or other.

Sure he is no angel, but he is not pushing for WW3 like the people behind PBS.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

But PBS is a proven propaganda vehicle

as always it is up to you to procure from the internet as many viewpoints as you wish - please post what you want to from prvada etc

I have posted the link for people who may be unaware of it