Maybe losing Crimea has taken the polish off the turd, but Ukraine is a vast wheat bowl...
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Maybe losing Crimea has taken the polish off the turd, but Ukraine is a vast wheat bowl...
Putin needs to put his men on the ground to protect Ukraine from hurting itself, and remove the traitors in Kiev
Putin cranking up his guns, time for a wing of change in Ukraine
BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Sloviansk rebels down army helicopters
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Pro-Russian rebels have shot down two of Ukraine's army helicopters during an "anti-terror" operation in the eastern city of Sloviansk, Kiev has said.
Gee, some admission. Crimea has been a major Russian military installation for centuries, there are naval, army & air force bases there permanently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Merrimack
Ukraine is not something I know about really, but I know half the country feels closer to europe, half closer to russia. There is social and industrial divide. So would it not be democratic way if the country gracefully split in two. Those who wish to return to mother Russia (as in Crimea) would be allowed to do so.
As far as I can see, current crisis escalated because the EU had to prove they are superpower, meddling in something they know nothing about (epic fail, sorry) resulting in screw up big time, while US and Russia were negotiating. (You remember "Fck the EU" by US, well said). To me it looks like, without EU involvement, Russia would not have annexed Crimea.
It was Kerry that escalated things. The EU were holding off because of the Gas shortages that will follow when they do get too obnoxious. One assumes that fracking and promises of other gas has eased their minds, and are ready to push towards another cold war again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
Correct though - If the people want to return to being part of Russia then let them. It's their country. If cockrings like Cameron keep insisting otherwise, I trust he will be returning Gibraltar to the Spanish, the Mavlinas to the Argentinians etc because after all, it doesn't matter what the people that live there want apparently....
Kerry can be blamed for many things, but I dont think this one.
EU was plain stupid with their energy situation. And germany shutting down nuclear plants.... yeah burn the coal instead and kill the world.
Gibraltar to Spanish does not happen because they are British. Falklands to Argentina does not happen because they are British. End of.
I dislike you calling Falklands Malvinas.
Ahh but the people in Crimea say they are Russian. So what is the difference? The difference is that this is talking about our own people, where as some nobodies in Crimea do not really matter except that their rebellion against the Owners of the World view of strategic importance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
Knock KnockQuote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
Who's there?
Crimea
Crimea who?
Crimea river.
I agree they are Russian and they should do whatever they wish, in a democratic way.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Indeed- which is why that as soon as the UK et al try to push them into being Ukrainian again, the UK should hand Gibraltar and the falklands (better?) back to their true respective owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
It's better. But true owners of the Rock and Falklands are the British, population is British, overwhelming vote in both places for staying British, you can take history 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
You do see the logic? Everyone should be where they want to be.
No - they were stolen from the true owners and then populated with british people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
BS. Falklands was not populated. As I said, take history 101.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
For you Argie lovers, thinking of retaking the Islands, there is a nuclear sub about...:)
I'm not an argie lover. I do see the massive hypocrisy though. And I never said it was populated. It was populated with settlers after it had been stolen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
Suggest you take History to enlighten main stream media drones 101.
Right. You do see how logical that is? "stolen before it was found" yeah, makes sense 55555:)Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
obviously, Ukraine and a lot of other things apparently,Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
so typically American,
back to the topic,
Putin is going to kick some NATO ass and it's about fucking time,
it's time for a new superpower to emerge and tell the American fucks to stop stirring shit in the world. For the last 14 years, the US has been the origin of major conflicts with little results to show. They can't even win a classic conflict against third world peasants.
Of course, if we didn't have the traitorous English in the EU, France and Germany would have create a real NATO alternative.
You can say "pick NATO / West / US" vs. "Russia" if you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
I choose neither.
I think this is about Ukraine and Russia.
For the Ukrainians, it may be counterproductive and cause retaliation, but knock on doors, round up the Russians including women and children and eliminate them. (Translation: bullet to the head.)
Surprised to see that from you B.
One might say US was attacked first, and right or wrong, this is what people do. And there are results. Maybe not shared with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
In particular because her majesty's armed forces have become the butt of jokes. Their navy was the most powerful in the world for centuries, and well into WW2. Today? They've got six destroyers. Even the pacifist nation of Japan has four times more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
With my limited knowledge (thanks butterfly) I think nearly half of population is Russian (eastern side of the country). So that would be genocide (if less, just plain murder). I know you are not really saying that, but it shows the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by barbaro
Just split the country, no loss of life. Of course, that does not appeal to some who want control of all of it.
Don't hear any jokes from the dead bad guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainfall
On that topic, you would find Japan's defence is actually very good, despite different branding of services. It does not matter how many clueless unprofessionals you have, as in Germany or France.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainfall
Well anyway, it looks like there will be war.
Ukraine's, fascist, unelected government that ousted the democratically elected government in a US backed coup has set their army against Ukrainians who did not want to accept the coup. 40 dead.
Obama Calls Coup Government in Kiev "Duly Elected" - YouTube
Obomba has his itchy finger on his drone trigger no doubt.
Duly Elected, Oboma? WTF are you talking about. The only democracy in Ukraine since the coup was those in Crimea, holding a referendum, to get the hell away from the fascist coalition.
Is this the West changing the dialogue to make the mainstream media sheep believe that the current banker shill at the helm of Ukraine was elected in a democratic election!
but the US wasn't attacked, that's the problem. It was a lame excuse to go to Iraq. Afghanistan was first only become NATO, the UN and the EU didn't go with Bush plan to go first in Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
as for results, stop being a gullible "average" American, there has been no results. Even some Congress committee investigation on CIA and NSA practices said that no credible results were achieved. Again, it was a lame excuse to put into place a pipe dream of the Pentagon Generals, the full surveillance of the world communication.
so at the end the USSR was no different from the USA, and likewise, the USA will end up like the USSR, ruined by years of senseless conflicts and bankrupted by war profiteers like Cheney and his friends. Does Rome rings a bell ?
HAAHAAA! This is funny..Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
It wont be Russia as they are on their way to being broke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
The British are on a path of self destruction, it's quite amazing to watchQuote:
Originally Posted by Rainfall
Cameron is another example of stupity non-sense ala British
Thatcher was the acceleration of that self destruction, the Euroseptics will be the final nails
more broke than the US ? very unlikely :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by bsnub
Belgiums! You still think the EU is a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
:rofl:
Apparently much, but I don't know how much, of the opposition movement was powered by neo-nazis "who want tighter integration with european like souls" not my translation... that is a detail that has been pushed aside in superpower game. I would stay away from all of it if I was Department of State, FO or MOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Unelected is a problem. How do we know what the country wants now?
in its current shape ? no, it needs real reforms, like kicking out the UK and the Eastern European countries, and Greece and Cyprus. See I am also a strong supporter of UKIP :pQuote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
basically we need to return to a 12 nation EU,
Indeed. Is Kerry calling for an Election? No. He is calling for war, which is what his paymasters want having missed out on Syria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
I suspect this is the case, Russia has called off the Syrian plan and now they are going to loose Syria. Time for retribution and fuck with Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
I sincerely hope that Putin will bomb a few US navy ships for good measure, just so Kerry and Obama get the message.
The terrorism agenda of the USA must end once and for all.
You might think different if it had been Paris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Everyone who is capable does surveillance. NSA and GCHQ do it legally and they fight terrorism and crime, France does it illegally partly for national security, mostly for business interests. In a study year or two back, German companies stated French espionage was highest threat to their intellectual property.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly
Your high horse died way back.
I believe there was an agreement to hold "elections" in mid May. However the unelected Junta decided that they would halt those "elections" by instigating a civil war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
The NATO forces obliterated Libya's armed forces because they wouldn't return to their bases. In the Ukraine NATO is arming, training and managing a massacre of innocent civilians who only want to hold the vote.
What they vote for is up to them. NATO of course disregards the local civilians deaths and the stripping of voting rights as collateral damage.
Yep. :chitown:Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
Yeah and how these things turn out.Quote:
Originally Posted by OhOh
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Originally Posted by OhOh
Can you give any link to some wikileaks or such about NATO in Ukraine. Because I do not believe that.
NATO saved lives on so many occasions, like in sad europe, and guarantees your safety right now if you are in europe. You should be thankful. OK you are not and more like greenham common ladies of the 80's, that is life. You never appreciate what you have, this goes for me too.
of course not, Kerry and Obama will shut up and rollover, like they always do when the enemy is a bigger caliber than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exit Strategy
The US can only attack the weak defenseless countries, like vultures do.
Amazing how the priority for election has suddenly disappearQuote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
I am sure that the locals in Kiev must have second thoughts about that leadership and the consequences their policies will have on their daily life,
Time for the CIA to go for plan B since their puppet is going to lose the election, and Plan B is promoting civil war to blur the issues and the cause for the coup.
EU got dragged into this, and I am sure they will have second thoughts too when they see they have more to loose than gain. But again, don't underestimate certain EU leaders allegiance to the evil USA.
Quite clearly EU went for it first, messing things up and offering billions of cash (wtf, whose money is that? northern europe). So you get Ukraine in EU and Algeria too and lets see about rest of africa and middle east and EU will be strong then...Quote:
Originally Posted by Butterfly