How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

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Originally Posted by Hawker

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

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Originally Posted by Hawker

So you think that reserves of stored oil gives a country leverage ? Nobody cares how much strategic reserves a country has.

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Of course it does, don't believe it? Research WWII & Nazi Germany, also applies today but of course you know other wise :rolleyes: Anyways it's not my opinion, it's fact, put forth by people who are a lot more connected on the matter and strategy then either you or I.

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Germany was producing synthetic fuels and oil from nat gas and coal. They were not just feeding off of some big tank of oil that wa already pulled out of the ground.

Germany did exactly what the US has been doing since 1970. Every time the Nazis would take over a country, they would peg that countries currency lower then theirs in order to funnel resources into Germany, creating a one way trade deficit which didn't stop till the last days of the war.

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Oh, now this is comical :smileylaughing: .. A major reason they lost the war was their lack of energy resources..

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Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

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Originally Posted by Hawker

If you know Keynesian Macroeconomics then you know nothing about macro economics at all.

As far as special positions go, they are in the same special position that bankrupted Briatain, Holland , Spain or any of the previous holders of the reserve currency.

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Facts?

Are you one of the guys that bought the "Dollar is going to die next year" we see on websites? Sorry. Did you buy it how many years ago? I guess no money back, no guarantee, no vat, no...

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The US is in the same position that old reserve currency powers were in circa Britain. So it will happen in the next 10 years or so. Seems like you wake up in the morning and celebrate that the dollar lived another day. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

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Originally Posted by Hawker

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

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Originally Posted by Hawker

So you think that reserves of stored oil gives a country leverage ? Nobody cares how much strategic reserves a country has.

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Of course it does, don't believe it? Research WWII & Nazi Germany, also applies today but of course you know other wise :rolleyes: Anyways it's not my opinion, it's fact, put forth by people who are a lot more connected on the matter and strategy then either you or I.

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Germany was producing synthetic fuels and oil from nat gas and coal. They were not just feeding off of some big tank of oil that wa already pulled out of the ground.

Germany did exactly what the US has been doing since 1970. Every time the Nazis would take over a country, they would peg that countries currency lower then theirs in order to funnel resources into Germany, creating a one way trade deficit which didn't stop till the last days of the war.

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Oh, now this is comical :smileylaughing: .. A major reason they lost the war was their lack of energy resources..

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That is the main reason. But it was not because they lacked a strategic oil reserve. I still can't believe you think that each war power had a pool of oil and whoever had the biggest pool at the start won. :smileylaughing:

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Originally Posted by Rainfall

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Originally Posted by bsnub

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Originally Posted by Rainfall

Under 2 billion worth of manufacturing in an economy of 16 trillion+

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You need to learn to read correctly. Why would you be stupid enough to think that even is possible?

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Alright, the German billion is your trillion, frequent mistake of people who use long scale. Celebrate your great victory. 2 trillion out of 16 trillion still is disproportionately little.

I read that the top American law firm took in $ 2.44 billion in 2012, and the largest of the UK £ 1.195 in 2013. Let's stay in seppoland and estimate the combined revenue of all the millions of American attorneys at say $ 1 trillion. That's an industry growing at 10% annually. Private security and military services too, and their combined revenues might also be in the range of $ 1 trillion. Just out of interest, are they included in the GDP? :mid:

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Shuffling paper and putting sand in the gears of the real production in the world. That is the US specializes in. Only when they lose reserve currency status, does it end

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Originally Posted by Hawker

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

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Originally Posted by Hawker

So you think that reserves of stored oil gives a country leverage ? Nobody cares how much strategic reserves a country has.

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Of course it does, don't believe it? Research WWII & Nazi Germany, also applies today but of course you know other wise :rolleyes: Anyways it's not my opinion, it's fact, put forth by people who are a lot more connected on the matter and strategy then either you or I.

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Germany was producing synthetic fuels and oil from nat gas and coal. They were not just feeding off of some big tank of oil that wa already pulled out of the ground.

Germany did exactly what the US has been doing since 1970. Every time the Nazis would take over a country, they would peg that countries currency lower then theirs in order to funnel resources into Germany, creating a one way trade deficit which didn't stop till the last days of the war.

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Oh, now this is comical :smileylaughing: .. A major reason they lost the war was their lack of energy resources..

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That is the main reason. But it was not because they lacked a strategic oil reserve. I still can't believe you think that each war power had a pool of oil and whoever had the biggest pool at the start won. :smileylaughing:

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Hmm.. Telling that you can agree and yet STILL not get the overall point and laugh at the facts..

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

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Originally Posted by Hawker

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

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Originally Posted by Hawker

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Of course it does, don't believe it? Research WWII & Nazi Germany, also applies today but of course you know other wise :rolleyes: Anyways it's not my opinion, it's fact, put forth by people who are a lot more connected on the matter and strategy then either you or I.

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Germany was producing synthetic fuels and oil from nat gas and coal. They were not just feeding off of some big tank of oil that wa already pulled out of the ground.

Germany did exactly what the US has been doing since 1970. Every time the Nazis would take over a country, they would peg that countries currency lower then theirs in order to funnel resources into Germany, creating a one way trade deficit which didn't stop till the last days of the war.

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Oh, now this is comical :smileylaughing: .. A major reason they lost the war was their lack of energy resources..

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That is the main reason. But it was not because they lacked a strategic oil reserve. I still can't believe you think that each war power had a pool of oil and whoever had the biggest pool at the start won. :smileylaughing:

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Hmm.. Telling that you can agree and yet STILL not get the overall point and laugh at the facts..

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Please get this through your head. The USs strategic oil reserve wil fuel the US army for one month. It doesn't give the US leverage against Russia. It does not give a debtor nation leverage against a creditor nation. It does not give a trade deficit nation leverage against a trade surplus nation. It means nothing.

Wow

Russia just said it was forced to react. And sanctions isn't their way. So they did a nuclear ballistic missile test

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Originally Posted by Hawker

The USs strategic oil reserve wil fuel the US army for one month.

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WOW! Once again pulling "facts" out of the sky and proving you really do not have a clue what you are talking about.

The Nazis lost WWII because they bit off more than they could chew. Operation Barbarossa was a huge mistake but even worse was the Japanese bringing the USA into the war just a few months later.

I can just imagine Hitler, with troops storming through Russia, learning of Pearl Harbour and crying " W-T-F !!?? "


As for the Dollar. It is certain to continue losing value as currency devaluation is one way countries try to escape debt, but there really isn't another currency to replace it that doesn't have the same problems or worse. As a reserve currency I believe we are stuck with it, but as an investment it is lousy.

Putin? He's a pussy compared with Stalin, but he's got the better of Obama. Like that is difficult..... He does have some interesting hobbies though:

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2014/05/1107.jpg

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Originally Posted by Thormaturge

The Nazis lost WWII because they bit off more than they could chew. Operation Barbarossa was a huge mistake but even worse was the Japanese bringing the USA into the war just a few months later.

I can just imagine Hitler, with troops storming through Russia, learning of Pearl Harbour and crying " W-T-F !!?? "


As for the Dollar. It is certain to continue losing value as currency devaluation is one way countries try to escape debt, but there really isn't another currency to replace it that doesn't have the same problems or worse. As a reserve currency I believe we are stuck with it, but as an investment it is lousy.

Putin? He's a pussy compared with Stalin, but he's got the better of Obama. Like that is difficult.....

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Finally, a sensible post in this thread.

I added the pinup in a subsequent edit. :-)

Honestly no one would win that war it would be a loss for everyone.. With 2 young sons I can't even allow myself to consider it..

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Originally Posted by RPETER65

This Hawkar guy is an idiot if he thinks Russia has the financial reserves to win a war against the U.S., considering Putin woild not only be facing the U.S

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...you forgot to add though that the US would not only be facing the Russians....


FB is right though - no winners in that war aside from the bankers and large corporations with whom all the war money would be spent with.

Wouldn't it be amusing though if, in response to the bugging and spying of her phone, Merkel was simply playing along with obomba, and then suddenly revealed a trade plan with Russia, bringing with them the other BRICS nations, who through their refusal to knowledge the sanctions on Iran, could bring Iran in as well, along with the mightily peeved at the US, Venezuela, and start trading everything, including oil in Euro, and Euro only. Now that would be something - quite a coup d'etat on the world.

(It would mean a US invasion into Europe though ... for Democracy and Peace, of course)

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Originally Posted by pseudolus

you forgot to add though that the US would not only be facing the Russians....

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It wont be China if that's what you are insinuating. China needs the US more then it needs Russia.

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Originally Posted by pseudolus

Wouldn't it be amusing though if, in response to the bugging and spying of her phone, Merkel was simply playing along with obomba, and then suddenly revealed a trade plan with Russia, bringing with them the other BRICS nations, who through their refusal to knowledge the sanctions on Iran, could bring Iran in as well, along with the mightily peeved at the US, Venezuela, and start trading everything, including oil in Euro, and Euro only.

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Pure fantasy that would never happen. Not in a million years son not even worse discussing.

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Originally Posted by Thormaturge

The Nazis lost WWII because they bit off more than they could chew. Operation Barbarossa was a huge mistake but even worse was the Japanese bringing the USA into the war just a few months later.

I can just imagine Hitler, with troops storming through Russia, learning of Pearl Harbour and crying " W-T-F !!?? "


As for the Dollar. It is certain to continue losing value as currency devaluation is one way countries try to escape debt, but there really isn't another currency to replace it that doesn't have the same problems or worse. As a reserve currency I believe we are stuck with it, but as an investment it is lousy.

Putin? He's a pussy compared with Stalin, but he's got the better of Obama. Like that is difficult..... He does have some interesting hobbies though:

https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2014/05/1107.jpg

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Wrong on the "no choice " front as far as the $ goes.

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

The Eurozone has more gold then the US. Basically, the Euro was created to replace the $.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

China needs the US more then it needs Russia.

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Jing lor?

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Originally Posted by Hawker

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

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This is why the US is desperately encircling China as fast as they can. Notice how aggressive they are being with the all but useless islands the Japan and China are having a tiff over? I wonder what lies beneath?

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Originally Posted by bsnub

Pure fantasy that would never happen. Not in a million years son not even worse discussing.

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Worst nightmare, really, as the US starts asking the Mexicans for charity contributions. Could happen though - after all, these is a reason that the EU are putting the breaks a little on the more blood thirsty voices emanating from the US in relation to Ukraine. The EU would also get access to the Afghan minerals as well, which would be a huge boost.

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Originally Posted by pseudolus

Worst nightmare, really, as the US starts asking the Mexicans for charity contributions. Could happen though - after all, these is a reason that the EU are putting the breaks a little on the more blood thirsty voices emanating from the US in relation to Ukraine.

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That is so far out in tinfoil hat land I am not going to respond to it. It just wont happen.

With regards to China I personally think that a global crisis/conflict pitting the US against China would be beneficial to the US as long as it doesn't go nuclear. The US would write off its debt to China and the cease importing goods from China. Overnight it would rebuild Americas domestic manufacturing base as all those cheap goods would have to be manufactured domestically.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

With regards to China I personally think that a global crisis/conflict pitting the US against China would be beneficial to the US as long as it doesn't go nuclear. The US would write of its debt to China and the cease importing goods from China. Overnight it would rebuild Americas domestic manufacturing base as all those cheap goods would have to be manufactured domestically.

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Well bugger me - you have these types of thoughts, willing the death and maiming of what would be millions of people, just to rebuild Americas crippled economy, mostly brought about by people with exactly these thoughts, who are running America.

You bleat about "tin foil hat's" rejecting the notion that all of these actions come about because there are people who put profit before life, and yet here you are saying exactly the same as if it would be a good thing.

For shame. I would be cheering on China.

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Originally Posted by Hawker

Wrong on the "no choice " front as far as the $ goes.

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

The Eurozone has more gold then the US. Basically, the Euro was created to replace the $.

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The Eurozone does not have political union and as such each country is still competing with its neighbours.

Give it another two hundred years and you might be onto something, provided they don't start fighting over who is responsible for which deficit in which country.

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Originally Posted by Thormaturge

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Originally Posted by Hawker

Wrong on the "no choice " front as far as the $ goes.

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

The Eurozone has more gold then the US. Basically, the Euro was created to replace the $.

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The Eurozone does not have political union and as such each country is still competing with its neighbours.

Give it another two hundred years and you might be onto something, provided they don't start fighting over who is responsible for which deficit in which country.

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This.............. Not to mention Britain isn't even part of the Eurozone so how do you think that's going to work out?

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Originally Posted by pseudolus

Well bugger me - you have these types of thoughts willing the death and maiming of what would be millions of people

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You bleat about "tin foil hat's" rejecting the notion that all of these actions come about because there are people who put profit before life, and yet here you are saying exactly the same as if it would be a good thing.

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Not at all I despise war. I was just making an observation. I want to dismantle the corrupt money machine behind it at all costs. I am fully aware that America has been led down the wrong path for far too long.

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Originally Posted by bsnub

I am fully aware that America has been led down the wrong path for far too long.

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You were warned in 1961

Pres Eisenhower's Farewell Address In Which He Warns Americans About The Military Industrial Complex - YouTube

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Originally Posted by Thormaturge

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I am fully aware that America has been led down the wrong path for far too long.

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You were warned in 1961

Pres Eisenhower's Farewell Address In Which He Warns Americans About The Military Industrial Complex - YouTube

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Indeed. A very poignant speech.

back to topic,

silly Americans are now telling the French government not to deliver the war ships Russia ordered from France

Where is DeGaulles when we need him ? Holland is such a weak pussy, he will probably comply without objections.

if we want a strong independent Europe, we need a strong Russia

this is the only against the threats of the US and China,

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Originally Posted by Hawker

The Euro is used by more people then the $.

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Number of people does not matter. Value of transactions matter. Although I find this argument in itself highly debatable.

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Originally Posted by Hawker

The Eurozone is China's biggest trading partner (not the US)

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China sells to europe like US. Not really like a "partnership" is it. Chinese are smart and they will not side with dying continent when the time comes.

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Originally Posted by Hawker

The ECB is the first non nation state central bank.

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ECB is euro ultranationalist fantasy. Mad Super Mario bought time for euro currency by saying they will do Everything to save the currency, this is why euro currency trades high totally iignoring economic situation. They actually promised to fight to the last cent and penny of european wealth to protect the currency. Madness.

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Originally Posted by Hawker

The Eurozone has more gold then the US.

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Not important.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

silly Americans are now telling the French government

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And you do what you are told to do, do you not? This is the reality. You can cry.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Holland is such a weak pussy

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The Netherlands has more backbone than rest of your central europe put together.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

if we want a strong independent Europe, we need a strong Russia

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Now why would we need strong independent "europe"? European countries are... were strong on their own with their own values. You do mean strong EU as a political construct?

Where does Russia come into this equation? You wanted Red Army to go all the way to Paris?

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Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

The Netherlands has more backbone than rest of your central europe put together.

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Damn! :durh: :pat: :doh: :trainwreck: :damnit: :banghead:

Ironically though, while a bit off topic but not too far as it all ties in, I just saw an article mention of the country of Holland (can't confirm the country at the mo) is having a rethink of it's social welfare programs costing them too much.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

back to topic,

silly Americans are now telling the French government not to deliver the war ships Russia ordered from France

Where is DeGaulles when we need him ? Holland is such a weak pussy, he will probably comply without objections.

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The concept of "allies" completely escapes you doesn't it? Oh, I forgot, you're Belgian so it's a rhetorical question.

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Holland (can't confirm the country at the mo) is having a rethink of it's social welfare programs costing them too much

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I have reasons saying this about the Netherlands, historical points like developing advanced commercial system, their empire and now freedom and democracy.

No other continental european country can match that.

Social welfare is costing too much everywhere in europe.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Hollande is such a weak pussy

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Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

The Netherlands has more backbone than rest of your central europe put together

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He's talking about the French prime minister - not the country (snigger)
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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

He's talking about the French prime minister - not the country (snigger)

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Yes looks like that... but he did say

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Holland is such a weak pussy

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Easy to get confused with these believers. I don't know much about Frech domestic politics... I know Hollande is a socialist and mate of Obama.

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Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I know Hollande is a socialist and mate of Obama

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Americas Bitch. Nothing to do with socialism.

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Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Easy to get confused

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Would seem so.

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Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Holland (can't confirm the country at the mo) is having a rethink of it's social welfare programs costing them too much

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I have reasons saying this about the Netherlands, historical points like developing advanced commercial system, their empire and now freedom and democracy.

No other continental european country can match that.

Social welfare is costing too much everywhere in europe.

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Yes but he wasn't talking about the "Netherlands" or the country "Holland" he was talking about "Hollande" as in the French president, not the country, albeit misspelled.. Sadly, kind of blew you're entire argument out of the credibility zone.. It sounds to me that you may be from that area though so English is not your first language yes? I hope not otherwise you perpetuated the offensive, generalizing stereo type we all (US citizens) suffer from.

I agree though it does cost too much but we in the states have been saying that for years and no one there has been listening. Not that we have anything better and we are far from perfect, I think perfect probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Edit: I see now ShaggerNasty has already corrected you.

the truth is that the US has no credibility whatsoever in the world. Only retarded ignorant Americans think that. They believe the BS they see on FauxNews and think that's how it works out there.

The truth is that we are closer to Russia than America, and that we need Russia as a partner rather the US after what happened in the US in the last few decades. If we have to partner with dictators and authoritarian regimes, might as well do it with our neighbors.

Russia is Europe partner, period, not America.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Russia is Europe partner, period, not America.

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How is Russia's NATO application progressing?

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Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Americas Bitch. Nothing to do with socialism.

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there is a lot of talks in French conservatives circles about how Gaulism was abandoned, since the traitorous Sarkozy was in power.

Hollande is just a continuation of Sarkozy pussy whipped foreign policies,

not looking for France independence, soon the Americans will be asking us to give up our WMDs !!!

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

US has no credibility whatsoever in the world. Only retarded ignorant Americans think that

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Actually your 'retarded ignorant Americans' do a great deal of good in this world we live in. It is not all black ops, or government sanctioned. It is humanitarian, pro-democracy, medical... And there is this major issue, security, that US provides for great part of the world.

And, IMHO, I would say great part of the world has positive view of US (hey, I have been around).

OK, europe excluded. They hate US for, what ... In the 80's many of you euros sided with 'Soviet peace missiles.' on your soil (Eastern part), targetted to UK and US. That was a big thing back then. You loved it back then? Sure you did.

But you calling Americans 'retarded' does not help your cause. Which is...

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Russia is Europe partner, period, not America.

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I am sure you and your kind of euros want this... and I know you do not much care about democracy or such things. But how on earth would you make your fellow 99% europeans to agree to join Russia? Bit of a leap.

What I see is about a majority of europeans (the sensible European people) hate your insane/corrupt EU.

When EU is done (at least returned to previous EC level, which is ok bar agri subs), Europe can rise again, with all great individual countries with their strenghts, from the ashes.

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Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Eh, the evidence is where?

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That's what I'm saying - Fox News.

The rest of the planet is well aware of the mass-murders and genocide (as they were based on lying pretexts)

Iraq.
Afghanistan
Syria
Ukraine
Indonesia
Vietnam
Cuba
Laos
All over Africa
Phillipines

Among many many others.

"Security"? - Fvck off.

The only words to describe it would be self-serving, clandestine, murderous global invasions.