Thread: How dangerous is Vladimir Putin?

Originally Posted by Merrimack

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/wo...tune.html?_r=0

The article goes on to say it hasn't hard evidence but no doubt Putin is hiding something unless he is unlike most politicians and world leaders.

NY Times?



Yes, because they will be insightful, impartial, and truthful

Not worth commenting. I'll let the hypocrites go on with this. The hypocrites on this thread will stay in the western world and the capitalist capitalist countries like Thailand which align with it deriving freedoms and opportunity from them while putting down the western world 24/7. They will stay here as so so many others like them have throughout history. Those who find everything wrong with the western world while praising people like Stalin, Hitler, The North Korean Family's dictatorship, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, etc, etc. How can you argue with these morons. No alternative ideas for them. They are cult followers of their own warped beliefs.

Originally Posted by Merrimack

Putin is an abusive criminal who in his time no doubt has helped his country kill thousands of people in and outside Russia.

You seem to be a little confused, you're mixing up Putin with GW there. Try to breathe deeply and focus a little.

You guys are ridiculous and you show your ignorance with your statements. I don't disagree with what you have to say about George Bush. By some of the statements I've made at times online about that administration, I feel lucky not to be hunted down. I won't give you Eurotrash a pass. You've done nothing for humanity in the past decades and that is a fact. BF in my opinion and probably you other two are most likely Americans. I don't follow you on these boards but you spout too much Americano lingo. Ah, the disgruntled American expat. Nothing new there. I've met plenty of Anglophiles and other here in los in my time here trying to live a lie connecting themselves to some international identity.

It's pretty simple. George Bush should be hanged for his lies and war crimes and Putin really should join him for his years in the KGB and all that he has done to his nation's people and those in its extremities such as Georgia and now the Ukraine. You fools should stop kissing the ass of corrupt scum abroad and in places like Thailand. BF we certainly know you do that. Stop living lies and support the truth.

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Don't think anyone said they're "broke" but they could be broken or bankrupted quite easily because of the type of funds they have and how they produce it. It's based mostly on energy sales to Europe and such and that's too easily manipulated from outside influences to be stable and reliable.

How does a debt free nation go bankrupt ? If Russia dumped it's US debt on the market, the US army would look like the Soviet army I'm 1991.

Well if you weren't clueless like the rest posting and trolling the ignorance here, (especially trailer trash Butterfly) you'd know that all the US needs to do is open their oil reserves and drive down the cost of fuel significantly. We have more then enough to do so for about 4 years and that most top economists say that it'd only take about 2 years to accomplish the job, you forget we've done it before. The only thing holding us back now is it will also effect our allies.

They have a financial reserve but it could very easily be used up and all is relative it may seem strong but in relation their economy is not as all appears due to what it's propped up by.

Originally Posted by Merrimack

You guys are ridiculous and you show your ignorance with your statements. I don't disagree with what you have to say about George Bush. By some of the statements I've made at times online about that administration, I feel lucky not to be hunted down. I won't give you Eurotrash a pass. You've done nothing for humanity in the past decades and that is a fact. BF in my opinion and probably you other two are most likely Americans. I don't follow you on these boards but you spout too much Americano lingo. Ah, the disgruntled American expat. Nothing new there. I've met plenty of Anglophiles and other here in los in my time here trying to live a lie connecting themselves to some international identity.

It's pretty simple. George Bush should be hanged for his lies and war crimes and Putin really should join him for his years in the KGB and all that he has done to his nation's people and those in its extremities such as Georgia and now the Ukraine. You fools should stop kissing the ass of corrupt scum abroad and in places like Thailand. BF we certainly know you do that. Stop living lies and support the truth.

Pick your poison. They are all sob's. But it's time for the Americans to take a fucking step back. I'm siding with Putin.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Don't think anyone said they're "broke" but they could be broken or bankrupted quite easily because of the type of funds they have and how they produce it. It's based mostly on energy sales to Europe and such and that's too easily manipulated from outside influences to be stable and reliable.

How does a debt free nation go bankrupt ? If Russia dumped it's US debt on the market, the US army would look like the Soviet army I'm 1991.

Well if you weren't clueless like the rest posting and trolling the ignorance here, (especially trailer trash Butterfly) you'd know that all the US needs to do is open their oil reserves and drive down the cost of fuel significantly. We have more then enough to do so for about 4 years and that most top economists say that it'd only take about 2 years to accomplish the job, you forget we've done it before. The only thing holding us back now is it will also effect our allies.

They have a financial reserve but it could very easily be used up and all is relative it may seem strong but in relation their economy is not as all appears due to what it's propped up by.

Lol

And the debtor is going to win that war ? The US is the importer

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Don't think anyone said they're "broke" but they could be broken or bankrupted quite easily because of the type of funds they have and how they produce it. It's based mostly on energy sales to Europe and such and that's too easily manipulated from outside influences to be stable and reliable.

How does a debt free nation go bankrupt ? If Russia dumped it's US debt on the market, the US army would look like the Soviet army I'm 1991.

Well if you weren't clueless like the rest posting and trolling the ignorance here, (especially trailer trash Butterfly) you'd know that all the US needs to do is open their oil reserves and drive down the cost of fuel significantly. We have more then enough to do so for about 4 years and that most top economists say that it'd only take about 2 years to accomplish the job, you forget we've done it before. The only thing holding us back now is it will also effect our allies.

They have a financial reserve but it could very easily be used up and all is relative it may seem strong but in relation their economy is not as all appears due to what it's propped up by.

Lol

And the debtor is going to win that war ? The US is the importer

The US is not an importer of Russian oil at least not a level that would effect us in any real amount. We are the third largest but with some of the highest reserves not exported which gives us a certain security to flood the market and Russia being the top producer but with less reserves puts them in a no win position. Lol...

^ unless of course oil starts to be traded in Euros, at which point the US will collapse into the ground.

^
the ragheads would never allow it.

Earlier this week

Originally Posted by taxexile

the ragheads would never allow it.

Not the rag heads really. Quite a few have tried to change the currency; Saddam, Gaddafi ... oh I see what you mean...

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Saddam, Gaddafi

Yes they are however from fairly marginal oil producing states..

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Saddam, Gaddafi

Yes they are however from fairly marginal oil producing states..

What utter tosh.

VN, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Lybia - if they had made the agreement the rest would follow. They would have no choice.

1. VENEZUELA
Proven oil reserves in 2013 (billion barrels): 297.6

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,489.2

Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia last year to become the holder of the largest oil reserves in the world. However, annual oil production of the OPEC supplier is considerably less than the Kingdom.

2. SAUDI ARABIA
Proven oil reserves (billion barrels): 267.91

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 11,545.7

Saudi Arabia has almost one-fifth of the world’s proven oil reserves and ranks as the largest producer and exporter of oil in the world.

3. CANADA
Proven oil reserves: 173.105

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,854.4

Canada’s oil sands are a significant contributor to the recent growth in the world’s liquid fuel supply and comprise the vast majority of the country’s proven oil reserves.

4. IRAN
Proven oil reserves: 154.58

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,538.4

International sanctions have drastically impacted Iran’s energy sector – the country’s oil production fell dramatically in 2012, from over 35 million barrels per day in 2011 to just over 3.5 million bpd in 2012.

5. IRAQ
Proven oil reserves: 141.35

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,986.6

Despite having large proven oil reserves, increases in oil production have fallen behind ambitious targets because of infrastructure constraints and political disputes, says EIA.

6. KUWAIT
Proven oil reserves: 104

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,796.8

Kuwait boasts the second largest oil reserves in the GCC, behind Saudi Arabia and is also among the world’s top 10 largest exporters of total oil products.

7. UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Proven oil reserves: 97.8

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,213.2

Enhanced oil recovery techniques continue to underpin strong crude oil production totals and are an important strategy for extending the life of the country’s aging oil fields, states EIA.

8. RUSSIA
Proven oil reserves: 80

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 10,397

Russia, which also holds the world’s largest natural gas reserves and the second-largest coal reserves, is the second biggest oil supplier in the world after Saudi Arabia.

9. LIBYA
Proven oil reserves: 48.01

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 1,483

The holder of Africa’s largest proven oil reserves, Libya saw a disruption in oil production in 2011 due to conflict, but the country has recovered, and subsequently, has begun to increase supplies.

10. NIGERIA
Proven oil reserves: 37.2

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,524.1

Nigeria’s hydrocarbon resources are the mainstay of the country’s economy, but EIA states that development of the sector is often constrained by instability in the Niger Delta.

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Don't think anyone said they're "broke" but they could be broken or bankrupted quite easily because of the type of funds they have and how they produce it. It's based mostly on energy sales to Europe and such and that's too easily manipulated from outside influences to be stable and reliable.

How does a debt free nation go bankrupt ? If Russia dumped it's US debt on the market, the US army would look like the Soviet army I'm 1991.

Well if you weren't clueless like the rest posting and trolling the ignorance here, (especially trailer trash Butterfly) you'd know that all the US needs to do is open their oil reserves and drive down the cost of fuel significantly. We have more then enough to do so for about 4 years and that most top economists say that it'd only take about 2 years to accomplish the job, you forget we've done it before. The only thing holding us back now is it will also effect our allies.

They have a financial reserve but it could very easily be used up and all is relative it may seem strong but in relation their economy is not as all appears due to what it's propped up by.

Lol

And the debtor is going to win that war ? The US is the importer

The US is not an importer of Russian oil at least not a level that would effect us in any real amount. We are the third largest but with some of the highest reserves not exported which gives us a certain security to flood the market and Russia being the top producer but with less reserves puts them in a no win position. Lol...

The US is in no place to flood any energy market .Russia is the one with more reserves.

Don't believe all this shale oil nonsense coming out of the USSA. If they counted all the uneconomical shale in Russia too, they would have double te reserves they have now . Lol lol lol

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Earlier this week

Who ?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Saddam, Gaddafi

Yes they are however from fairly marginal oil producing states..

What utter tosh.

VN, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Lybia - if they had made the agreement the rest would follow. They would have no choice.

1. VENEZUELA
Proven oil reserves in 2013 (billion barrels): 297.6

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,489.2

Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia last year to become the holder of the largest oil reserves in the world. However, annual oil production of the OPEC supplier is considerably less than the Kingdom.

2. SAUDI ARABIA
Proven oil reserves (billion barrels): 267.91

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 11,545.7

Saudi Arabia has almost one-fifth of the world’s proven oil reserves and ranks as the largest producer and exporter of oil in the world.

3. CANADA
Proven oil reserves: 173.105

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,854.4

Canada’s oil sands are a significant contributor to the recent growth in the world’s liquid fuel supply and comprise the vast majority of the country’s proven oil reserves.

4. IRAN
Proven oil reserves: 154.58

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,538.4

International sanctions have drastically impacted Iran’s energy sector – the country’s oil production fell dramatically in 2012, from over 35 million barrels per day in 2011 to just over 3.5 million bpd in 2012.

5. IRAQ
Proven oil reserves: 141.35

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,986.6

Despite having large proven oil reserves, increases in oil production have fallen behind ambitious targets because of infrastructure constraints and political disputes, says EIA.

6. KUWAIT
Proven oil reserves: 104

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,796.8

Kuwait boasts the second largest oil reserves in the GCC, behind Saudi Arabia and is also among the world’s top 10 largest exporters of total oil products.

7. UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Proven oil reserves: 97.8

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,213.2

Enhanced oil recovery techniques continue to underpin strong crude oil production totals and are an important strategy for extending the life of the country’s aging oil fields, states EIA.

8. RUSSIA
Proven oil reserves: 80

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 10,397

Russia, which also holds the world’s largest natural gas reserves and the second-largest coal reserves, is the second biggest oil supplier in the world after Saudi Arabia.

9. LIBYA
Proven oil reserves: 48.01

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 1,483

The holder of Africa’s largest proven oil reserves, Libya saw a disruption in oil production in 2011 due to conflict, but the country has recovered, and subsequently, has begun to increase supplies.

10. NIGERIA
Proven oil reserves: 37.2

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,524.1

Nigeria’s hydrocarbon resources are the mainstay of the country’s economy, but EIA states that development of the sector is often constrained by instability in the Niger Delta.

He's correct, I don't know where you got that list but current 2014 lists put Russia as #1 producer Saudi as #2 and the US #3.. He did say "producer" not "reserves" so maybe that's where you missed the boat? BTW when I use the term "reserves" it doesn't refer to yet being processed like your list does, it refers to processed and stored..

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Hawker

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by Hawker

How does a debt free nation go bankrupt ? If Russia dumped it's US debt on the market, the US army would look like the Soviet army I'm 1991.

Well if you weren't clueless like the rest posting and trolling the ignorance here, (especially trailer trash Butterfly) you'd know that all the US needs to do is open their oil reserves and drive down the cost of fuel significantly. We have more then enough to do so for about 4 years and that most top economists say that it'd only take about 2 years to accomplish the job, you forget we've done it before. The only thing holding us back now is it will also effect our allies.

They have a financial reserve but it could very easily be used up and all is relative it may seem strong but in relation their economy is not as all appears due to what it's propped up by.

Lol

And the debtor is going to win that war ? The US is the importer

The US is not an importer of Russian oil at least not a level that would effect us in any real amount. We are the third largest but with some of the highest reserves not exported which gives us a certain security to flood the market and Russia being the top producer but with less reserves puts them in a no win position. Lol...

The US is in no place to flood any energy market .Russia is the one with more reserves.

Don't believe all this shale oil nonsense coming out of the USSA. If they counted all the uneconomical shale in Russia too, they would have double te reserves they have now . Lol lol lol

THEY don't have PROCESSED reserves you need to understand the difference. Nor do they have the infrastructure to pump and process the ground reserves at the current rates without western involvement, it's only over the last decade or so when they opened their fields up to western tech and equipment until then they had nearly no way to process most of it, and they still can't solely on their own merits..

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Saddam, Gaddafi

Yes they are however from fairly marginal oil producing states..

What utter tosh.

VN, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Lybia - if they had made the agreement the rest would follow. They would have no choice.

1. VENEZUELA
Proven oil reserves in 2013 (billion barrels): 297.6

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,489.2

Venezuela surpassed Saudi Arabia last year to become the holder of the largest oil reserves in the world. However, annual oil production of the OPEC supplier is considerably less than the Kingdom.

2. SAUDI ARABIA
Proven oil reserves (billion barrels): 267.91

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 11,545.7

Saudi Arabia has almost one-fifth of the world’s proven oil reserves and ranks as the largest producer and exporter of oil in the world.

3. CANADA
Proven oil reserves: 173.105

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,854.4

Canada’s oil sands are a significant contributor to the recent growth in the world’s liquid fuel supply and comprise the vast majority of the country’s proven oil reserves.

4. IRAN
Proven oil reserves: 154.58

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,538.4

International sanctions have drastically impacted Iran’s energy sector – the country’s oil production fell dramatically in 2012, from over 35 million barrels per day in 2011 to just over 3.5 million bpd in 2012.

5. IRAQ
Proven oil reserves: 141.35

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,986.6

Despite having large proven oil reserves, increases in oil production have fallen behind ambitious targets because of infrastructure constraints and political disputes, says EIA.

6. KUWAIT
Proven oil reserves: 104

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,796.8

Kuwait boasts the second largest oil reserves in the GCC, behind Saudi Arabia and is also among the world’s top 10 largest exporters of total oil products.

7. UNITED ARAB EMIRATES
Proven oil reserves: 97.8

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 3,213.2

Enhanced oil recovery techniques continue to underpin strong crude oil production totals and are an important strategy for extending the life of the country’s aging oil fields, states EIA.

8. RUSSIA
Proven oil reserves: 80

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 10,397

Russia, which also holds the world’s largest natural gas reserves and the second-largest coal reserves, is the second biggest oil supplier in the world after Saudi Arabia.

9. LIBYA
Proven oil reserves: 48.01

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 1,483

The holder of Africa’s largest proven oil reserves, Libya saw a disruption in oil production in 2011 due to conflict, but the country has recovered, and subsequently, has begun to increase supplies.

10. NIGERIA
Proven oil reserves: 37.2

Total oil supply in 2012 (thousand barrels per day): 2,524.1

Nigeria’s hydrocarbon resources are the mainstay of the country’s economy, but EIA states that development of the sector is often constrained by instability in the Niger Delta.

He's correct, I don't know where you got that list but current 2014 lists put Russia as #1 producer Saudi as #2 and the US #3.. He did say "producer" not "reserves" so maybe that's where you missed the boat? BTW when I use the term "reserves" it doesn't refer to yet being processed like your list does, it refers to processed and stored..

What in the fuck are you on about ?

So you think that reserves of stored oil gives a country leverage ? Nobody cares how much strategic reserves a country has.

Russia is self suffiient. They supply they own food and energy. They are a creditor nation with a trade surplus. The US is a debtor nation with a trade deficit. End of discussion

Originally Posted by Merrimack

Putin is an abusive criminal who in his time no doubt has helped his country kill thousands of people in and outside Russia. He deserves what he gets as much as you think others do.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The EU needs a real leader, a real president, someone like Putin. Maybe Russia could join the EU instead and elect Putin as the supreme leader.

Which opinion appears more sane? - with decent knowledge of history.

I am worried. I hear voices from europe (in this forum too) from people who would like europe to turn to Russia for their 'salvation' from evil America (or Anglosphere). They say US is a bully boy, savage dictatorship - and Russia is the Great White Knight. Yes I am worried - about this disconnection to reality these people have.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Merrimack

Putin is an abusive criminal who in his time no doubt has helped his country kill thousands of people in and outside Russia. He deserves what he gets as much as you think others do.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The EU needs a real leader, a real president, someone like Putin. Maybe Russia could join the EU instead and elect Putin as the supreme leader.

Which opinion appears more sane? - with decent knowledge of history.

I am worried. I hear voices from europe (in this forum too) from people who would like europe to turn to Russia for their 'salvation' from evil America (or Anglosphere). They say US is a bully boy, savage dictatorship - and Russia is the Great White Knight. Yes I am worried - about this disconnection to reality these people have.

So you think this uni polar Anglo axis is healthy ? How so ? Are you a seppo ?

Any you think Putin is the boogeyman.

Originally Posted by Hawker

o you think this uni polar Anglo axis is healthy ? How so ? Are you a seppo

Modern world, standard of living and opportunities we enjoy today are result of Anglosphere developing, even forcing, democracy and free market economy to all parts of the world. I can see someone would think it would be nice to live in the cave again, but they would not actually think that if they experienced that. You are enjoying your internet, are you not?

Originally Posted by Hawker

Any you think Putin is the boogeyman

I don't think you understand. I respect the man. He is a strong guy who has achieved very much, and he did not end up where he is by accident. But politically we would not agree. He most probably laughs at you silly euros believing in the fairy tale.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Hawker

o you think this uni polar Anglo axis is healthy ? How so ? Are you a seppo

Modern world, standard of living and opportunities we enjoy today are result of Anglosphere developing, even forcing, democracy and free market economy to all parts of the world. I can see someone would think it would be nice to live in the cave again, but they would not actually think that if they experienced that. You are enjoying your internet, are you not?

Hahahahahaha

You really think that there is something free market about the axis ? China and Russia have way lower taxes and regulation on business then the axis powers.

The axis powers have currency outright manipulation across the world , military intervention , policy intervention on everything. Head in sand, you.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Hawker

Any you think Putin is the boogeyman

I don't think you understand. I respect the man. He is a strong guy who has achieved very much, and he did not end up where he is by accident. But politically we would not agree. He most probably laughs at you silly euros believing in the fairy tale.

No. I think he's ferrious that the US forces the world to feed their trade and government deficits at gunpoint with their military. The US does this by forcing the world to transact oil in dollars.

The Soviets had that military too and look what happened to them. Tick tock tick tock.