Thread: Anti-Jewish sentiments are unfairly picked on, ST

Your signature is stupid, IA. It reveals either your immaturity, or your inexperience of TD. Either way, please remove it; it's quite inaccurate.

stroller wrote:

I also object to the false statement and insinuations in your signature, yes, some people are rather sensitive to lies.

I am rather sensitive to people trying to characterise my words as 'lies' as well.

If you disagree with anything that I am saying, ask what you'd like me to support, and I'll attempt to do so.

I'll show why I believe as I do, which is all I can do. The same as people who think otherwise can usually only show why they believe as they do.

Because often the core facts are the same but the interpretations are different. The question is...whose interpretation is more reasonable and supportable.

We'll see...

Yes, we can see.

I already feel comfort in the attentions to the issue.

If a group other than Jews were mentioned there would likely not be so much pressure to 'reform' my Signature.

Again, this supports my contention.

Take issue with womever you want...but take issue with Jews and people will start to take issue with you.



IA

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Moved from another thread.

OK, I'll bite:

Attempt to prove the statements in your signature are true:

'Disparage' Whites...no problem. 'Disparage' Blacks...No problem. 'Disparage' Jews...and your posts and comments will be deleted. Now that's POWER.

What are the "core facts" here, have you been reading the Issues trash bin for the last few months?

Originally Posted by IsaanAlex

If a group other than Jews were mentioned there would likely not be so much pressure to 'reform' my Signature.

Again, this supports my contention.

Ehm, how can a presumption support anything?

Originally Posted by IsaanAlex

Take issue with womever you want...but take issue with Jews and people will start to take issue with you.

Oh dear, you really are persecuted for anti-semitic sentiments, how unfair! Unfortunately you haven't noticed what's going on all around you.

It's all very much a self-created loop your stuck in, which I wouldn't be much concerned with, but unfortunately, it results in you making false statements such as in your signature - and this is the harmless end of the wedge of your ideology.

Originally Posted by stroller

This is about moderating in Issues, Milkman.

I did not know this.

How?

I thought this thread was about: if you criticize Jews in America it is squashed, such as the Mearsheimer & Walt article.


If this is about Moderating and moderating issues I think that's fine.


But no one told about this.

Why?

Originally Posted by stroller

Neither the title nor any post mentions America nor the Mearsheimer & Walt article, well, you brought it in.

Sorry, I should have made a clearer topic title, but I thought it was quite clear, since the opening comment refers to Alex's signature, which contains: "'Disparage' Jews...and your posts and comments will be deleted."....

No problem, Stroll.

I do think nationality may be a factor in this.

In the U.S. (some posters are from Canada) there has been a lot of controversy towards Jewish interests censoring and punishing articles that criticize Israel and Jewish interests in America.

Therefore, this is a sensitive topic.

Right now in the U.S. there is a lot of controversy about Jewish interests and support for Israel, AIPAC, media, etc.

It's very, very, very, controversial

That's why any suppression or censorship of any criticism of Jews and/or Israel is controversial in the forum by American and perhaps Canadian citizens.

This last year, Jews/Zionism/Aipac/ have been one of the most controversial topics in the U.S.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Milkman

It's very, very, very, controversial

That's why any suppression or censorship of any criticism of Jews and/or Israel is controversial in the forum by American and perhaps Canadian citizens.

This last year, Jews/Zionism/Aipac/ have been one of the most controversial topics in the U.S.

Ok, thanks, I still don't see how that justifies the rather 'odd' signature about my and TD's moderating, which has been removed as far as I can tell.

But I appreciate there may be a 'clash of cultures' here, I think it is quite clear that I am charged about this subject as a German. I will counteract any anti-semitic comments and neo-Nazi propaganda - Hitler, Goebbels, Goering and the like are not people to hold in high regard for their views and actions.
As moderating goes, I have deleted and reprimanded all overly racist comments, and have been accused by all offending sides of being partial over the past year, ranging from calling me a Nazi to a Muslim-lover and anti-semite.

I am not having someone who barges in here with their oddball views on racial issues and the Nazis spout their presumptions about my modding bias in their signature. Simple as that.

The first OP post (IMO) is about censorship of criticism of Jews.

I also think it relates to Jewish censorship, which is a serious problem in the U.S.

I do not think Germany, Nazism, the Third Reich, or other anti-semitism has anything to do with the first post in this thread.

I think his signature is a fair comment also, although I haven't paid attention to it.

If you criticize Jews, you get punished.

This is the deal.

Many American Jews will use the Holocaust, Nazism, and Hitler, as an excuse to justify their bullying in the U.S.

Alan Dershowitz's comments last year is a perfect example.

I will go on record now that, IMHO, stroller is abusing his position as mod.

Wallace complained about my signature.

stroller then agreed with him.

I then posted in direct response to them...but my 'response' post got cut from the thread and made into a new one.

This denies me my response to an issue they raised and gives let's them control the issue.

I noted that if you speak out about Jews you will be censored; and I proved it. Whether your post get deleted outright, edited, or split at a point that gives the detracters the last word on the issue that they raised.

If stroller were an honest broker he would have split the thread at the point that Wallace complained about my signature. Then my response would have followed.

It all would have at least been in one place and no one, predictably myself, would have been muzzled at the source.

IA
PS. stroller also used his mod powers to name the thread according to his own bias.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

It's worth remembering that while most Israelis are Jews most Jews are not Israelis.

true.

but i wonder what percentage of jews support the actions of the israeli govt. is there any polling data?

IA

i like reading your posts, but these meta posts are so very 'kerux'. please keep it in the criticism thread.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

So, in your opinion, is the problem in America with Jews or with Zionist supporters of Israel?

Yes.

But more importantly, how they use this support.


Didn't I specifically say this in my last post on this topic?

I know many Jews who don't support Israel, who are in fact horrified by the actions of that country. I get very suspicious when people ostensibly criticising Israel ascribe the actions of Israeli politicians and the actions of supporters of Israeli politicians to Jews rather than to Israeli politicians and the supporters of Israeli politicians. It's worth remembering that while most Israelis are Jews most Jews are not Israelis.

Nice try.


It isn't working.

raycarey wrote:

IA

i like reading your posts, but these meta posts are so very 'kerux'. please keep it in the criticism thread.

RC, I have limited time so I post according to my interests. On a priority first basis.

And Zionism and censorship go hand in hand.

More specifically, however, this issue got raised by Wallace and stroller. Not myself. And Wallace was complaining about my Signature which is at the bottom of every post I make.

If Wallace and stroller didn't want my Signature being an issue in this thread they should not have raised it here.

And I've already put a complaint in. This is strollers first bit of dishonesty as a mod.

He is seeking to use his mod powers to control the direction of discussions. He then creates a new thread at the point he wants, gives it the name he wants, and then sets the issues in his own terms.

Ridiculous.

IA

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What does that mean? Seriously, you've confused me here. I was trying to point out that the actions of Zionists are not the actions of all Jews. Are you seriously saying they are?

Let me clarify.

You're trying to use little semantics to get this off-topic.

Not all Jews are Zionists.

Not all Jews support Zionism.

Many Right-wing Xtians support Zionism.


Zionism is not exclusive to Jews.

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What does that mean? Seriously, you've confused me here. I was trying to point out that the actions of Zionists are not the actions of all Jews. Are you seriously saying they are?

Let me clarify.

You're trying to use little semantics to get this off-topic.

Not all Jews are Zionists.

Not all Jews support Zionism.

Many Right-wing Xtians support Zionism.


Zionism is not exclusive to Jews.

Originally Posted by Milkman

I also think it relates to Jewish censorship, which is a serious problem in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Milkman

If you criticize Jews, you get punished

Originally Posted by Milkman

Many American Jews will use the Holocaust, Nazism, and Hitler, as an excuse to justify their bullying in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Milkman

The Jews in America has significant influence over the U.S. media

Clarify this for me. Where in the above quotes did you distinguish between the vast majority of Jews and Zionists, who I agree are not exclusively Jewish? It looks to me (except maybe in the second last quote) that by using the word Jews that you mean all Jews, if you don't why did you say so in those quotes?

Stroller:

his is not about some shite in the US, milkdud!

Edit: Alex continues to slander me, not a single word of response to my original questions and points.
A true hypocritical demagoge who refuses to back up anything he says and invents accusations as he goes along.

Stroll, I think this signature is not good, after thinking about it as a whole.

I think it's fair to leave a poster's criticisms of Modding and Mod-actions to the "Critique" section, PMing, or other means.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Clarify this for me. Where in the above quotes did you distinguish between the vast majority of Jews and Zionists, who I agree are not exclusively Jewish? It looks to me (except maybe in the second last quote) that by using the word Jews that you mean all Jews, if you don't why did you say so in those quotes?

We're going in circles again.


How long will this go on?


Many Jews are Zionists (I don't have polling data)

Many Jews are not Zionists (I don't have polling data.)

Many Right-wing Xtians are Zionists (I don't have polling data.)



We are dumbing down this topic so much that we've lost the entire point.