Anti-Jewish sentiments are unfairly picked on, ST

**DrB0b** · 07-05-2007, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What does that mean? Seriously, you've confused me here. I was trying to point out that the actions of Zionists are not the actions of all Jews. Are you seriously saying they are?

Let me clarify.

You're trying to use little semantics to get this off-topic.

Not all Jews are Zionists.

Not all Jews support Zionism.

Many Right-wing Xtians support Zionism.

Zionism is not exclusive to Jews.

Originally Posted by Milkman

I also think it relates to Jewish censorship, which is a serious problem in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Milkman

If you criticize Jews, you get punished

Originally Posted by Milkman

Many American Jews will use the Holocaust, Nazism, and Hitler, as an excuse to justify their bullying in the U.S.

Originally Posted by Milkman

The Jews in America has significant influence over the U.S. media

Clarify this for me. Where in the above quotes did you distinguish between the vast majority of Jews and Zionists, who I agree are not exclusively Jewish? It looks to me (except maybe in the second last quote) that by using the word Jews that you mean all Jews, if you don't why did you say so in those quotes?

**barbaro** · 07-05-2007, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Clarify this for me. Where in the above quotes did you distinguish between the vast majority of Jews and Zionists, who I agree are not exclusively Jewish? It looks to me (except maybe in the second last quote) that by using the word Jews that you mean all Jews, if you don't why did you say so in those quotes?

We're going in circles again.

How long will this go on?

Many Jews are Zionists (I don't have polling data)

Many Jews are not Zionists (I don't have polling data.)

Many Right-wing Xtians are Zionists (I don't have polling data.)

We are dumbing down this topic so much that we've lost the entire point.

**DrB0b** · 07-05-2007, 12:25 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Clarify this for me. Where in the above quotes did you distinguish between the vast majority of Jews and Zionists, who I agree are not exclusively Jewish? It looks to me (except maybe in the second last quote) that by using the word Jews that you mean all Jews, if you don't why did you say so in those quotes?

We're going in circles again.

How long will this go on?

Many Jews are Zionists (I don't have polling data)

Many Jews are not Zionists (I don't have polling data.)

Many Right-wing Xtians are Zionists (I don't have polling data.)

We are dumbing down this topic so much that we've lost the entire point.

I notice you left out the quotes showing that you were blaming all Jews for the actions of some Zionists. You talked about Jewish censorship, you talked about Jewish control of the media. If you cannot back these claims up, if you are using the word Jew when you mean Zionist and you're aware of what you're doing then you're just another bigot. Suddnely deciding that you meant Zionists after all doesn't take away from the fact that you said Jews do these things. How long will it go on? Who knows? As long as there are people who recognise bigotry when they see it and are prepared to point it out is my guess.

**barbaro** · 07-05-2007, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I notice you left out the quotes showing that you were blaming all Jews for the actions of some Zionists.

Milkman:

WRONG! Again.

Let me clarify again.

I have never blamed anybody.

The term "Jews" was used as a plural noun.

So now, I will be more specific from now until the future:

Zionist Jews and Zionist non-Jews

DrBob:

You talked about Jewish censorship, you talked about Jewish control of the media.

Yes, I noted Jewish censorship (Mearsheimer & Walt) and Jewish control of the media.

How long is this going to go on?

If you cannot back these claims up, if you are using the word Jew when you mean Zionist and you're aware of what you're doing then you're just another bigot

Ahh....you're trying to say because I noted Jewish censorship and Jewish control of the media.....that I'm a bigot.

So....I am a bigot against whom?

1. People who practice Judaism?

2. People who practice some forms of Judaism (religiously)?

3. People (U.S. citizens only) who are 1 or 2 or both, who practice Judaism?

4. People who follow Jewsih cultural traditions but aren't religious?

5. Zionists? (which may or may not include 1.2.3.4?)

Nice try.

**DrB0b** · 07-05-2007, 12:51 AM

[quote=Milkman;299598]

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I notice you left out the quotes showing that you were blaming all Jews for the actions of some Zionists.

Originally Posted by Milkman

[WRONG! Again.

Let me clarify again.

I have never blamed anybody.

The term "Jews" was used as a plural noun.

As opposed to what?

Originally Posted by Milkman

[So now, I will be more specific from now until the future:

Zionist Jews and Zionist non-Jews

Why the need to specify that they are Jews as well as being Zionists?

Originally Posted by DrBob

You talked about Jewish censorship, you talked about Jewish control of the media.

Originally Posted by Milkman

[Yes, I noted Jewish censorship (Mearsheimer & Walt) and Jewish control of the media.

We've been through the Jewish control of the media before. I showed that the major media groups in America were controlled by a mixture of people, the only thing they had in common was that they were all men. I asked people to show me that they were controlled by Jews, nobody replied. Now's your chance. Take the top 10 media groups in the States, show us they're controlled by Jews.

If you cannot back these claims up, if you are using the word Jew when you mean Zionist and you're aware of what you're doing then you're just another bigot

Ahh....you're trying to say because I noted Jewish censorship and Jewish control of the media.....that I'm a bigot.

So....I am a bigot against whom?

Jews

This may be a game to you but in real life many people have been hurt or even killed by the indiscriminate use of labels like this. Livelihoods have been destroyed, houses have been burnt, people have been injured and killed because they were Jews and therefore the same as all other Jews and therefore responsible for the actions of anybody else who was also a Jew. This doesn't only apply to the label Jew, there are many others too. A closer to home example would be Americans, worldwide Americans are getting the blame for the actions of GWB, nobody cares whether those Americans support Bush or not, they're targets because they're no longer looked on as people, they're only Americans. Anybody who seeks to label a mass of people and then treat that mass as if it was an individual who was responsible for the actions of smaller units of that mass is a bigot.

**barbaro** · 07-05-2007, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

This may be a game to you but in real life many people have been hurt or even killed by the indiscriminate use of labels like this. Livelihoods have been destroyed, houses have been burnt, people have been injured and killed because they were Jews and therefore the same as all other Jews and therefore responsible for the actions of anybody else who was also a Jew. This doesn't only apply to the label Jew, there are many others too.

I agree.

The Spanish Inquisition was despicable.

The Progroms.

The Death camps in WWII.

But my point is: (again): AMERICAN ZIONISM.

We need to focus on today.

Using past persecution is totally irrelevant to what is going on in the U.S. right now.

**DrB0b** · 07-05-2007, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by DrB0b

This may be a game to you but in real life many people have been hurt or even killed by the indiscriminate use of labels like this. Livelihoods have been destroyed, houses have been burnt, people have been injured and killed because they were Jews and therefore the same as all other Jews and therefore responsible for the actions of anybody else who was also a Jew. This doesn't only apply to the label Jew, there are many others too.

I agree.

The Spanish Inquisition was despicable.

The Progroms.

The Death camps in WWII.

But my point is: (again): AMERICAN ZIONISM.

We need to focus on today.

Using past persecution is totally irrelevant to what is going on in the U.S. right now.

I was referring to the present, not the past.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

According to the 2005 U.S. State Department Report on Global Anti-Semitism, antisemitism in Europe has increased significantly in recent years (but see fn.31 below). Beginning in 2000, oral attacks directed against Jews increased while incidents of vandalism (e.g. graffiti, fire bombings of Jewish schools, desecration of synagogues and cemeteries) surged. Physical assaults including beatings, stabbings and other violence against Jews in Europe increased markedly, in a number of cases resulting in serious injury and even death.

On January 1, 2006, Britain's chief rabbi, Sir Jonathan Sacks, warned that what he called a "tsunami of antisemitism" was spreading globally. In an interview with BBC's Radio Four, Sacks said that antisemitism was on the rise in Europe, and that a number of his rabbinical colleagues had been assaulted, synagogues desecrated, and Jewish schools burned to the ground in France. He also said that: "People are attempting to silence and even ban Jewish societies on campuses on the grounds that Jews must support the state of Israel, therefore they should be banned, which is quite extraordinary because ... British Jews see themselves as British citizens. So it's that kind of feeling that you don't know what's going to happen next that's making ... some European Jewish communities uncomfortable."[91]

Much of the new European antisemitic violence can actually be seen as a spill over from the long running Israeli-Arab conflict since the majority of the perpetrators are from the large immigrant Arab communities in European cities. According to The Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Contemporary Antisemitism and Racism, most of the current antisemitism comes from militant Islamist and Muslim groups, and most Jews tend to be assaulted in countries where groups of young Muslim immigrants reside.[92]
Similarly, in the Middle East, anti-Zionist propaganda frequently adopts the terminology and symbols of the Holocaust to demonize Israel and its leaders — for instance, comparing Israel's treatment of the Palestinians to Nazi Germany's treatment of Jews. At the same time, Holocaust denial and Holocaust minimization efforts find increasingly overt acceptance as sanctioned historical discourse in a number of Middle Eastern countries.

On April 3, 2006, the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights announced its finding that incidents of antisemitism are a "serious problem" on college campuses throughout the United States. The Commission recommended that the U.S. Department of Education's Office for Civil Rights protect college students from antisemitism through vigorous enforcement of Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and further recommended that Congress clarify that Title VI applies to discrimination against Jewish students.[93]

On September 19, 2006, Yale University founded The Yale Initiative for Interdisciplinary Study of Antisemitism, the first North American university-based center for study of the subject, as part of its Institution for Social and Policy Studies. Director Charles Small of the Center cited the increase in antisemitism worldwide in recent years as generating a "need to understand the current manifestation of this disease".[94]

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