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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    I'm not responsible for any confusion you may be feeling. Where did I talk about the past? If you mean where I mentioned people dying because of anti-semitism I meant right now and the last few years. You're the one who seems to have decided I was talking about death-camps and Torquemada, I never mentioned those things. Again, where did I say that I was talking about anything other than the present and the recent (last 10 years) past? And what does AMERICAN ZIONISM have to do with the Jews as opposed to some Jews?
    Let me ask this question again.

    Because....you still have not answered:



    How does the past equate with American Zionism?

    Why are you asking me? Is this some kind of playground debating technique, to constantly ask someone to justify something they never said? I have asked you to justify things you have said and as you can't you fall back on this kindergarden trick. laughable!
    If you don't know the answer, simply say so:

    I'll ask this again: How does the past equate with American Zionism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Milkman View Post
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    I'm not responsible for any confusion you may be feeling. Where did I talk about the past? If you mean where I mentioned people dying because of anti-semitism I meant right now and the last few years. You're the one who seems to have decided I was talking about death-camps and Torquemada, I never mentioned those things. Again, where did I say that I was talking about anything other than the present and the recent (last 10 years) past? And what does AMERICAN ZIONISM have to do with the Jews as opposed to some Jews?
    Let me ask this question again.

    Because....you still have not answered:



    How does the past equate with American Zionism?

    Why are you asking me? Is this some kind of playground debating technique, to constantly ask someone to justify something they never said? I have asked you to justify things you have said and as you can't you fall back on this kindergarden trick. laughable!
    If you don't know the answer, simply say so:

    I'll ask this again: How does the past equate with American Zionism?

    Milkman, why is red? Why did daddy do that? Is mummy really in heaven?
    Your question is ridiculous and nothing to do with anything I said. I guess I was wrong in my initial impression that you were intelligent, such is life - I can live with my mistakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
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    I'm not responsible for any confusion you may be feeling. Where did I talk about the past? If you mean where I mentioned people dying because of anti-semitism I meant right now and the last few years. You're the one who seems to have decided I was talking about death-camps and Torquemada, I never mentioned those things. Again, where did I say that I was talking about anything other than the present and the recent (last 10 years) past? And what does AMERICAN ZIONISM have to do with the Jews as opposed to some Jews?
    Let me ask this question again.

    Because....you still have not answered:



    How does the past equate with American Zionism?

    Why are you asking me? Is this some kind of playground debating technique, to constantly ask someone to justify something they never said? I have asked you to justify things you have said and as you can't you fall back on this kindergarden trick. laughable!
    If you don't know the answer, simply say so:

    I'll ask this again: How does the past equate with American Zionism?

    Milkman, why is red? Why did daddy do that? Is mummy really in heaven?
    Your question is ridiculous and nothing to do with anything I said. I guess I was wrong in my initial impression that you were intelligent, such is life - I can live with my mistakes.
    DrBob,

    You've lost a lot of credibility.

    Why?

    You can't even admit you cannot debate something. Nor, can you admit yo don't know the answers.

    Here's my question: How does the past equate with AMERICAN ZIONISM?

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    To test the waters:


    As I was once strolling through the inner city, I suddenly happened upon an apparition in a long caftan with black hair locks.
    Is this a Jew? was my first thought.
    They surely didn't look like that in Linz. I observed the man stealthily and cautiously. But the longer I stared at this alien face, examining it feature for feature, the more my first question was transformed into a new conception:
    Is this a German?
    They champion falsehood, support the butcher against the victim, the oppressor against the innocent child. May God mete them the punishment they deserve

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    Quote from Mein Kampf.

    More:

    With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people. With every means he tries to destroy the racial foundations of the people he has set out to subjugate. Just as he himself systematically ruins women and girls, he does not shrink back from pulling down the blood barriers for others, even on a large scale. It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master.

    Happening right now in the States.

    Excellent read here about the state of the United States by the governor of Colorado Richard Lamm.

    Sorry, article pulled from Rense today. Good thing I hard drived a copy.






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    ^Your bible.

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    Have you read it lately? Ever?
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    Just looking at the snippets that have been posted here, I doubt anyone with a sane mind would want to read it for other than academic purposes to study Hitler and propaganda.

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    Not having read any of this thread, I'll put my oar in.

    Despite anti-Semitism being of European (and especially English) origin, we tend to think of it as a Muslim curse, which I suppose in the modern world it generally is, despite anti-Semitic crimes increasing greatly in Europe over the last decade, nearly all are perpetrated by Muslims.

    I know the reasons (albeit misguided) for the crimes against Jews in past times, but I don't understand why there is so much hate against what are essentially decent people today. People (especially mainstream media & 'academics' in the Muslim world) still like to harp on about the Zionist agenda for world domination, despite the Protocols of Zion being exposed as a hoax by The Times in 1921, nearly all anti Jewish propaganda is based upon this false document.

    Obviously, Israeli backpackers are scum, but is that really a reason to be anti-semitic?

    And my point is?

    Dunno really.

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    Oh, and the Arab Muslims were in bed with Hitler during the war. Both sides making promises that the Jews would be wiped from the face of the Earth.

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    but I don't understand why there is so much hate against what are essentially decent people today
    Michael Chertoff is decent people? Abe Foxman? Alan Dirtbag Dershowitz? Abramhoff? Jonathan Pollard? Madeline Albright bombing the sh*t out of Kosovo? Wiesner who transformed Disney from a family oriented flim company into a propaganda and filth producing machine?

    The entire holocaust industry that is run by jews who bilk billions by making the Swiss and the Germans and others - like the American taxpayer who pays something like $30 million dollars a year for the Holocuat Museum costs - feel quilty for something that didn't even happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Oh, and the Arab Muslims were in bed with Hitler during the war. Both sides making promises that the Jews would be wiped from the face of the Earth.
    Actually, it was the Zionists who were in bed with Hitler.


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    Oh, and the Arab Muslims were in bed with Hitler during the war. Both sides making promises that the Jews would be wiped from the face of the Earth.
    That's an interesting point.

    Without wanting to pull my cliche "link please!", I have unsuccessfully searched for confirmation of this before, and appreciate further info on this.

    Re. "Mein Kampf" quote earlier: It's this kind of hate and violence inciting propaganda which always finds some imbecile dimwits to believe in it and parrot it on any occasion provided, that is the justification of hate-speech laws.
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    Show us one instance in Mein Kampf of "hate and violence inciting propaganda."

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    ^
    You've just quoted one earlier. Seem to believe the drivel as well. Boy, you've got a lot to learn.

    Now this thread is getting interesting, an anti-mozzie poster and a Jew-hater both referring to Hitler to make a point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stroller
    Without wanting to pull my cliche "link please!", I have unsuccessfully searched for confirmation of this before, and appreciate further info on this.
    I saw film footage last night of a Muslim leader at a rally (with Hitler) promising to do just that. I'll be buggered if I can remember the nice chap's name though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerux
    Actually, it was the Zionists who were in bed with Hitler.
    I suppose the gas chambers had beds in them, but I would've worded it differently.

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    I think the nice Nazi-Muslim bloke was Amin el-Husseini, who was appointed Mufti of Jerusalem in 1921.

    Ever heard of Radio Zeesen which broadcast anti-semetic, Nazi propganda in the Middle East before and during WWII? Even the German consulate in Tehran was surprised by the success of this propaganda by saying “Throughout the country spiritual leaders are coming out and saying ‘that the twelfth Imam has been sent into the world by God in the form of Adolf Hitler’” in a report to Berlin in February 1941.

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    Thanks, that gives me something to google.

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    Cheers, I found lots of stuff, pretty easy with the right key-words. I just looked up some posts in another forum. What I couldn't find before was a reference to a "Jihad" called during the 3rd Reich, but this now:
    March 1, 1944. Amin Al-Husseini makes speech from Berlin addressing Muslim SS Nazi troops: “Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, History and Religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.”
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    Yep, sure Hitler didn't mean any harm to the Jews with friends like this.

    Rather silly, at hindsight, to have established Israel at a location in the middle of all this.

    Kansas or Tennesse would have been far more welcoming places.

    Oh, since kerux is a Christian, here an article by a Christian organisation on the Arab/Nazi connection: The Arab/Muslim Nazi Connection - Anti-Semitism and Holocaust
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kerux
    Actually, it was the Zionists who were in bed with Hitler.
    I suppose the gas chambers had beds in them, but I would've worded it differently.
    Show us the evidence for gas chambers.
    You've just quoted one earlier.
    Explain to us how that is hatred.

    Well, I'll save you the trouble.

    Show us how this is hatred:

    With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people. With every means he tries to destroy the racial foundations of the people he has set out to subjugate. Just as he himself systematically ruins women and girls, he does not shrink back from pulling down the blood barriers for others, even on a large scale. It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master.

    Happening right now in the States.


    Tell us that it wasn't the jews that brought multi-culturalism to Britain the the States. And France too, for that matter. This is exactly what the jews do - create a mudding of the white race and then seek to control it, be it's master. Tell us that isn't what's happening right now in the US.

    Here's that Rense quote from Governor Lamm:

    'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'" "Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

    (First) ;"Turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. "The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans." Lamm went on:

    (Second "Invent 'multi-culturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds. "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort.

    (Third The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multi-cultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'" Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural sub-groups living in America reinforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

    "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."


    "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

    "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other."
    "A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo." "Next to last,

    (Seventh I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate." "Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,'

    (Eighth I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant sympatric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."
    In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,

    "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book."
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    Your Hitler quote would make quite an appropriate paragraph in one of them 50c horror-story booklets.

    If you cannot see how the writing style demonises a race with emotive language, and the author attributing negative characteristics and intentions consisting of lies at best, then I cannot help you.

    "It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland," As it happens, I come from the Rhineland. What a pile of poo.

    And that Rense quote doesn't make much sense standing on its own, it's completely off-topic and out of context.
    Something else you'll need to learn:
    How to stay within the context of an evolving discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerux
    Show us the evidence for gas chambers.
    Did I mention that we have a thread on this subject already?

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    "Sorry stroller is a moderator/admin and you are not allowed to ignore him or her."

    The Hitler quote and the Lamm quote fit like O.J. Simpson's glove.

    It's just that it's easier for worthwhile ideas to penetrate petrified wood then it is your thinking.

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