Thread: Military intervention in Syria

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Like our buddy 'ol Ted Cruz says, America is turning into Al Qadea's Air Force.

It was Dennis Kucinich who said that first, Cruz just stole the line from him.

27th August:

Kucinich: Striking Syria Will Make U.S. Military 'Al-Qaeda's Air Force' | National Review Online

Originally Posted by barbaro

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Some good news too, Sweden announced today that it will accept every Syrian refugee who makes it to their borders.

Sweden already has enough immigrants, and particular muslim immigrants.

Wake up Boon Mee, in due time you can ramp up your propaganda on how much mischief they cause in Sweden, and as always omit what caused them to go there. Doesn't matter, it's the right thing to do. Germany takes 5,000 and the right wing staged protests against it, how pathetic.

I am asking an honest question: are neighboring middle eastern countries helping refugees with food and shelter and support?

I hope so.

2 million Syrians fled to neighbouring countries. Syria itself sheltered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and Iraqis, they gotta move elsewhere too, I guess. Quite a strain on small countries like Lebanon, or underdeveloped Jordan. The Arab League comitted $100 million to refugee aid, the UN $2,9 billion so far.

How many refugees has Israel accomodated? How much money has it contributed to the refugee crisis? Worth asking, after all it is the richest country in the region, not to mention the largest recipient of foreign aid.

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by barbaro

I am asking an honest question: are neighboring middle eastern countries helping refugees with food and shelter and support? I hope so.

Many international orgs in and around Syria to help out

So...."international orgs" means NOT neighboring ME countries?

Just the UN has more than a 1000 folks inside Syria

I did not ask about the UN.

Are these neighboring idiots too stupid and too disorganized to do anything?

Or are they just not giving a shit?

Originally Posted by sabang

How many refugees has Israel accomodated? How much money has it contributed to the refugee crisis? Worth asking, after all it is the richest country in the region, not to mention the largest recipient of foreign aid.

Fair question, but you're joking right.

No needed.

Originally Posted by sabang

How many refugees has Israel accomodated? How much money has it contributed to the refugee crisis? Worth asking, after all it is the richest country in the region, not to mention the largest recipient of foreign aid.

So Israel is richer then Saudi Arabia ? That's news to me....

It is rather complicated for Israel to say the least. Its the arm twisting that the Saudis are doing to the US that has the US in there in the first place.

when they declared the state of israel, the country was FULL of refugees - the jewish ones which were expelled from all their middle eastern homecountries... israel would accomodate them...
it would even go to the places and take them out of it by any chance, before they were murdered...

the other refugees - the muslim ones, and that the only ones you see, sabang - are still living TODAY (decades later) in "refugee camps" in palestine, in lebanon and elsewhere... and NO, they have not been integrated in their new countries... deliberately not...

why pls should israel pay for those refugees - particularly as it hasnt broken the causative wars in the first place...?

basically, one can say israel is the biggest refugee camp on earth ?
just, that they sorted their shit out and brought about human living conditions...

There are some Israeli humanitarian groups in Jordan, helping out. I don't know what the Israeli government is doing to help, if anything.

why pls should israel pay for those refugees

Are you serious? Why should anyone offer humanitarian aid? The case for offering aid for a regional humanitarian catastrophe is even stronger. Heck, even Australia on the other side of the world is offering aid, as well as accepting some Syrian refugees.

Originally Posted by sabang

There are some Israeli humanitarian groups in Jordan, helping out. I don't know what the Israeli government is doing to help, if anything.

why pls should israel pay for those refugees

Are you serious? Why should anyone offer humanitarian aid? The case for offering aid for a regional humanitarian catastrophe is even stronger. Heck, even Australia on the other side of the world is offering aid, as well as accepting some Syrian refugees.

you mean, the country that has been attacked, that has lost many many soldiers, that had lots of material damages and was threatened with being eradicated from the map

... is the first place to ask for humanitarian aid for the attackers, afterwards ?

Clearly, you place politics above humanity. That is not a sentiment I hear echoed by most of the Jewish folk I have had the pleasure to know. People are suffering and displaced, and much of the world is offering humanitarian aid. I would never hear the Australian government making such an excuse, especially if we were faced with a humanitarian crisis in our own back yard.

^Humanitarian? How does that square with Australia's policy to turn away boat refugees?

The Australian government is rather cynical about the true neediness of these 'boat refugees', although you can be sure that there is much debate about the policy within Australia. We do not push them back out to sea incidentally- we house them in nauru, christmas island or PNG, at our own expense, while their applications for asylum are processed. We consider these boat people to be queue jumpers, basically, and put them back in line as it were. We have no such cynicism about Syrian refugees, who are not arriving via well paid people smugglers in rickety boats, and we have already accepted a number. More to the point, we on the other side of the world are providing aid money, as is the USA, UK, Germany, Saudi Arabia etc. Israel should too, and I hope it is doing so.

wow, thats a new policy?
the one ive read about and which has been practised for many years is:
a) burn the boat
b) return ticket by plane

Australia also seems to have a problem with the Indonesian business of smuggling asylants to Australia, that certainly is legitimate. Gotta have some control over what's going on in their waters.

Yes, more than a few pissed off aussies advocate the 'thai solution' of pushing them back out to sea.

Anyway, Syria is a long way from Oz, and we have nothing to do with the conflict. But we are a rich nation, and are helping out as we always do.

Originally Posted by alitongkat

wow, thats a new policy?
the one ive read about and which has been practised for many years is:
a) burn the boat
b) return ticket by plane

a- yes, we burn the boat, or at least we certainly did when i was in the navy. We make a point of taking the refo's off first.
b- some of these 'refugees' do accept a paid ticket back, as we offer. more than a few of them end up back in australia, having hopped another boat that did make it thru'. Perhaps you can see where our cynicism comes from?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Meanwhile...

KERRY: ARABS WILL FINANCE OUR WAR

Surely a new round of tax cuts for the rich would easily pay for it.

surely not

Originally Posted by sabang

How many refugees has Israel accomodated? How much money has it contributed to the refugee crisis? Worth asking, after all it is the richest country in the region

The richest country in the region? How do you work that out?

Originally Posted by barbaro

I am asking an honest question: are neighboring middle eastern countries helping refugees with food and shelter and support?

I hope so.

Yes, as well as sending medical and humanitarian aid.

They don't tend to publicise it though, they want them straight back there when it's over.

Originally Posted by socal

So Israel is richer then Saudi Arabia ? That's news to me...

Higher per capita GDP, but neither come close to Qatar.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Meanwhile...

KERRY: ARABS WILL FINANCE OUR WAR

Surely a new round of tax cuts for the rich would easily pay for it.

I went to Drudgereport and that "Kerry: Arabs will finance our war" is now gone.

If he did say this, it reminds me of.....Paul Wolfowitz stating that oil will pay for the US Iraq invasion.

As usual, it didn't happen. Just borrow the money from China.