Thread: Libertarian Test

There sure are a lot of folks who take the opposite attitude, eh?

I see the Glendale violent crime rate is more than 50% higher than the national average.

Great job, Mr. Mayor.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I see the Glendale violent crime rate is more than 50% higher than the national average.

Great job, Mr. Mayor.

Another poster-boy bites the dust!!!


(Any comment, BM, providing it is true?)

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I see the Glendale violent crime rate is more than 50% higher than the national average.

Great job, Mr. Mayor.

Another poster-boy bites the dust!!!


(Any comment, BM, providing it is true?)

Heh...another sweeping blanket statement from harry the barracuda. The crime rate goes up some years and guess what? It also goes down too. Kinda like the stock market, eh?

Crime rate in Glendale, Colorado (CO): murders, rapes, robberies, assaults, burglaries, thefts, auto thefts, arson, law enforcement employees, police officers statistics

Believe there's a few people who disagree with you, Al!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Believe there's a few people who disagree with you, Al!

So you're saying that you are a fan of anarchy?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Believe there's a few people who disagree with you, Al!

It's funny, I see right wingers quote Sharpton and Jackson all the time but I can't recall seeing liberals quoting either of them here or elsewhere on the intergoogles.

If I go to KOS they are hardly mentioned but when I go to Freeperville there is a frenzy every time one of them gets himself even remotely in the vicinity of a TV camera.

This article gets to the heart of what Libertarians hold most important:

Is America Having A Libertarian Moment?

“Libertarian ideas are very deeply rooted in America. Skepticism about power and about government, individualism, the idea that we’re all equal under the law, free enterprise, getting ahead in the world through your own hard work — all of those ideas are very fundamentally American. Obviously, from a libertarian point of view, America nonetheless has done a whole lot of things, from slavery to Obamacare, that offend some number of those libertarian values, but the core libertarian attitude is still there. And a lot of times when the government suddenly surges in size, scope, or power, those libertarian attitudes come back to the fore.”

But havings said all that, we don't really need to get Rand Paul elected to the WH to change the direction of America. Defund or completely rewrite Obamacare will be a good start.

Talk about being Gobsmacked, the UK Nanny State goes one further. To wit:

UK NHS Bans Minor Operations on Smokers Unless They Promise to Quit

This is how government-provided health care 'nudges' your behavior - by withholding medical procedures if they disapprove of how you live.
Patients are being denied minor treatments because they smoke, The Mail on Sunday has found. In one case a healthy middle-aged man was told he could not have a ten-minute operation to cut a small benign growth off the side of his head, because of his habit.

Paul Merrett thought it would be no problem to get the inch-long fatty lump, called a lipoma, removed.

...But when he attended King George Surgery in Stevenage, his GP said he could not have the minor operation - which doctors often do under local anaesthetic in their own consulting rooms.
Mr Merrett, 46, said: 'I was told, in no uncertain terms, that unless I gave up smoking or signed up to a quitting clinic they would refuse to treat me. I was gobsmacked.'
He claims the doctor told him: 'These directions are not mine. It's not me refusing this treatment, it's the NHS trust.

For the record, I'm not a smoker but governments in the UK & the States are out of control with any issues related to personal freedoms.

Well, this is good news. The Libertarian Party in the state of New Hampshire is making gains:

CONCORD, N.H. (AP) — A federal judge has ruled that the Libertarian Party can proceed with its challenge to a New Hampshire law it claims could prevent its candidates from getting on the ballot.

A third party can have its nominees placed on the New Hampshire general election ballot by winning at least 4 percent of the vote for either governor or U.S. senator in the most recent election or by collecting signatures equal to 3 percent of the total votes cast during the prior election. Under a law that took effect in July, parties can’t begin gathering those signatures until Jan. 1 of the election year.

The state argues that the change ensures that signatures on nomination papers are valid, but the Libertarian Party sued, arguing that it would make it difficult, if not impossible, for the party to petition its way onto the ballot."

New Hampshire ballot access challenge continues | Concord Monitor

This posters predicts we'll see more & more of this throughout America in future as folks are throughly sick & tired of the RINO's on ballets.

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Legalisation of prostitution.

Then why specify "all" sex? He's already covered prostitution in the first part of the question so the money bit is redundant unless he is trying to load the question.

He does essentially the same thing later:
21. Should marijuana be legalized?
46. Should all drugs be legalized for adults?

All drugs would include MJ, so question 21 is a pointless dogwhistle for the college student libertarians. Even if he ditched Q 21 it still stupid since he is obviously referring to narcotics, not drugs in general.

No it is not it is a two part question separating marijuana from what some people might call more dangerous drugs from chemicals.

Originally Posted by raycarey

does being a libertarian mean purposely evading state taxes in the US and then leeching off thai goverment health care?




and btw,anyone who wants to be a true libertarian should move to somalia. certainly no "big government" problems there. it's a veritable libertarian paradise....yet i don't see too many of these alleged libertarians booking their tickets. why would that be?

maybe because they like driving on safe roads with street lights.

they like being able to call the fire department and the police department in an emergency.

they like for their children to be educated.

they like the medical research that improves their health and prolongs their lives

they like voting in elections (although how many of them have actually voted for a libertarian candidate?)

I guess that would exclude booking there tickets to Thailand.

Originally Posted by bsnub

A stupid quiz. Poorly put together by someone of obviously limited intelligence.

I guess you still feel you are the only enlightened one on the planet eh?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Depending on the whims of rich individuals vs benefits for all by a government I can contribute to vote out if it doesn't do its job.

Problem being, you cannot by yourself vote anything out, or can anyone.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

I am not American and don't know what Libertarian means.

for those espousing it on this board, libertarianism can be summed up as follows:

for years i took all that i could from the US government, and now that i don't need anything else from the US govt, nobody else should get anything from the US government.

What about those who nothing they don't pay for, people who would tend to be libertarians take little from the govt. they provide for themselves and their families.

Originally Posted by Warrior

What a two dimensional test. There is more in the world between 'yes' and 'no'.

I gave up at question 4: are you for free trade.
Yes I am, but if that means that Mumbai taxi drivers are then free to do their trade in Washington DC, the answer is probably 'no'.

The world isnt this black and white Boon Mee.

Sorry but I think Mumbai taxi drivers may have a problem getting a work permit in the US.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Howzat US Postal Service working out for you? Fed Ex, UPS etc are far more efficient.

Pretty damn good. Not only are they less expensive then FED EX or UPS but I can get Saturday delivery without paying a fortune. Priority mail is more efficient and a better value for the consumer than anything the two private companies offer.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Private Libraries spring up all over the US mostly in CA as they are more receptive to their clients needs.

Where? I have never heard of any and I find that Seattle public libraries are about as good as it can get.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Prisons.

I think this highlights the biggest failure of the three examples. Riots, rights violations, and abysmal conditions.

Three States Dump Major Private Prison Company In One Month

Not as cheap as you think when you factor in the tax payer money that subsidizes the USPS, and don't count on Saturday deliveries much longer.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Growing middle class?

Or Americans vacation closer to home.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Talking about upgrading the power grid, well, after this so-called War on Coal Obama is initiating who knows where the funds will come from. Folks will have to go back to Depression-Era 40 watt light bulbs to illuminate their dwellings and what about all those electric cars that require expensive charging after a few miles?

The 40% increase in natural gas production in the US has more than made up for the coal and at a much lower cost to the environment.

If the tree hungers keep fighting tracking that won't last long.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Turning the prison system into a profit making enterprise has got to be one of the most morally corrupt ideas ever conceived in what is supposed to be the model democracy ... OK, insane.

I agree completely. If punishment is the domain of private enterprise, why not law enforcement and the justice system. Can everything be turned into a commodity for profit?

The punishment was already meted out by the Court and the prisoner is merely being housed in a facility more economically run than a vast bureaucratic government prison system.

Another lie. Like every other service formally government run, transportation, communication, electricity; private prisons cost the taxpayer or consumer more than before. The point of privatisation is to rise the prices in order to make profits.

Or lower the cost to achieve the same effect.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Not as cheap as you think when you factor in the tax payer money that subsidizes the USPS, and don't count on Saturday deliveries much longer.

Another right wing lie. The post office actually is profitable. It is the Republican congress that is trying to bleed it to suit their own agenda. They could not have a successful government agency that god forbid is actually turning a profit as that would totally go against all their talking points.

This is quote from the motleyfool.com a well respected wall street investment site;

"The simple truth is that the postal service is a fundamentally sound business, though not without its challenges. If you look closely, you'll see a concerted campaign to drive USPS out of business, despite the fact that it operates without government subsidies and, potentially, at a profit. It's being subjected to a politically manufactured crisis in order to ram through drastic change. But without the USPS, citizens will face much higher costs without better service. Below, I outline three common misconceptions about the USPS and explain why they're misleading."

Some more truth for your fox news addled brain;

Post office makes a profit Congress won?t let it keep |

The Post Office Is Not Broke | The Nation

We see that there's a outpouring of negative sentiment on here towards an award-winning author such as Ayn Rand. In light of that rather disappointing development, let this poster share another one of Ayn's poignant quotes: