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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post

    Libertarianism is merely anarchy for rich people. It will allow them to slash and burn all remaining natural resources, they will hire private armies to control the masses and oppress the 99%. The working (slave) class will live in dark area's with no civil resources and no power. They will have no access to medical care, nor clean water or sewer systems. Libertarianism is a return to indentured servitude and slavery. It is evil personified.
    As apposed to the current situation of servitude to the federal government which is owned by giant corporations. A government which conducts illegal activities on every level, even using drones for murder in foreign countries.
    The current government has effectively enslaved the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
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    'privatization
    I used to believe in that hocus pocus.
    Howzat US Postal Service working out for you? Fed Ex, UPS etc are far more efficient.

    How about the telecommunication industry too? Producers are more efficient since they are profit motivated.

    Private Libraries spring up all over the US mostly in CA as they are more receptive to their clients needs.

    Prisons.

    Education

    The list of benefits of Privatization is endless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Howzat US Postal Service working out for you? Fed Ex, UPS etc are far more efficient.
    Pretty damn good. Not only are they less expensive then FED EX or UPS but I can get Saturday delivery without paying a fortune. Priority mail is more efficient and a better value for the consumer than anything the two private companies offer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Private Libraries spring up all over the US mostly in CA as they are more receptive to their clients needs.
    Where? I have never heard of any and I find that Seattle public libraries are about as good as it can get.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Prisons.
    I think this highlights the biggest failure of the three examples. Riots, rights violations, and abysmal conditions.

    Three States Dump Major Private Prison Company In One Month

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post

    Libertarianism is merely anarchy for rich people. It will allow them to slash and burn all remaining natural resources, they will hire private armies to control the masses and oppress the 99%. The working (slave) class will live in dark area's with no civil resources and no power. They will have no access to medical care, nor clean water or sewer systems. Libertarianism is a return to indentured servitude and slavery. It is evil personified.
    As apposed to the current situation of servitude to the federal government which is owned by giant corporations. A government which conducts illegal activities on every level, even using drones for murder in foreign countries.
    The current government has effectively enslaved the population.
    On behalf of the elite libertarians, not to forget.

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    ^kind of mixed up aren't ya, can't see the forest cuz the trees are in the way?
    You must be able see the forest and the trees simultaneously. Otherwise you cant possibly be able differentiate between a Libertarian and Shia fanatic or anything else for that matter.
    Greedy scum are running the governments around the planet, and it's pretty safe to say most are not Libertarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    ^kind of mixed up aren't ya, can't see the forest cuz the trees are in the way?
    You must be able see the forest and the trees simultaneously. Otherwise you cant possibly be able differentiate between a Libertarian and Shia fanatic or anything else for that matter.
    Greedy scum are running the governments around the planet, and it's pretty safe to say most are not Libertarians.
    Looks like you are the one who is mixed up as he was responding to your comment about the US federal government.

    As usual your head is up your ass Earl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    ^kind of mixed up aren't ya, can't see the forest cuz the trees are in the way?
    You must be able see the forest and the trees simultaneously. Otherwise you cant possibly be able differentiate between a Libertarian and Shia fanatic or anything else for that matter.
    Greedy scum are running the governments around the planet, and it's pretty safe to say most are not Libertarians.
    And the greedy scum who are running the planet are the tax & spend entitlement whores i.e. Democrats.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    And the greedy scum who are running the planet are the tax & spend entitlement whores i.e. Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    And the greedy scum who are running the planet are the tax & spend entitlement whores i.e. Democrats.
    Remind us again how many times Ronaldus Cretinous raised taxes and what he did to the debt..


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
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    ^kind of mixed up aren't ya, can't see the forest cuz the trees are in the way?
    You must be able see the forest and the trees simultaneously. Otherwise you cant possibly be able differentiate between a Libertarian and Shia fanatic or anything else for that matter.
    Greedy scum are running the governments around the planet, and it's pretty safe to say most are not Libertarians.
    Looks like you are the one who is mixed up as he was responding to your comment about the US federal government.

    As usual your head is up your ass Earl.
    Perhaps, but any thinking individual can see how big government is at the service of mega corporate interests. Who in turn poison the general population with neurotoxins like MSG an Aspartame. They also control the media with their massive infusions of advertizing money.
    There's an interesting interview with Rod Serling about how advertisers would try to manipulate the content of his shows according to their commercial interests, and that was back in the 60's. His freedom of expression was constrained by big corporate design. so pretty much everything we see and hear is engineered to make you an obedient little consumer.
    Face it snubby you are simply another tool of corporate greed.

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    The Waltons own a very large corporation, each of them owns a personal fortune of $20 billion+. They would profit very much if the ideas of Libertarianism were implemented further. Would their 2 million+ employees with an average income of less than $20,000 per year and no health insurance?
    The Koch Brothers with similar possessions own a mega corporation, and the government, and the media do their bidding. They actually established Libertarianism as a major movement in the US, and the Tea Party.
    So how comes you adhere to an ideology in the service of corporate creed?

    Is there another way than to take the government back from the corporations, bank and media, and use it to tame the corporations?

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    I agree totally with everything you're saying there Rainfall.

    Just a quick question. Do they have Walmart in Russia and do Russian retail workers make $300/month yet?

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    Walmart pulled out of Russia. Can't say why. It also pulled out of Germany, mostly because it thought it can challenge the rules of fair employment as set up by the unions. It was also too expensive for the market in Germany, and sub-standard quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainfall
    It was also too expensive for the market in Germany, and sub-standard quality.
    Well, that's Made in China for ya.

    How much do Russian retail workers make?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Perhaps, but any thinking individual can see how big government is at the service of mega corporate interests. Who in turn poison the general population with neurotoxins like MSG an Aspartame. They also control the media with their massive infusions of advertizing money.
    No shit. I have been saying this all along. Refer to the OWS thread to better understand my views. You are new to this bandwagon. I have been preaching this for years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Face it snubby you are simply another tool of corporate greed.
    I have been fighting the corporapist oligarchy from day one. You have obviously not read many of my posts.

    The key point here is you identify with the right wing, the tea party and ultimately the republican party. Your posts over history reinforce that point. Those affiliations align you with such corporapists like the Kock brothers, Rupert Murdoch etc etc...

    I think it is clear that you are the corporapist lackey. Feel free to insert head in ass now..

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    I agree the test is silly, but, shit! This doesn't mean I'm not the tree hugger I always thought I was, does it?
    16-30 points: You are a soft-core libertarian. With effort, you may harden and become pure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
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    'privatization
    I used to believe in that hocus pocus.
    Howzat US Postal Service working out for you? Fed Ex, UPS etc are far more efficient.

    How about the telecommunication industry too? Producers are more efficient since they are profit motivated.

    Private Libraries spring up all over the US mostly in CA as they are more receptive to their clients needs.

    Prisons.

    Education

    The list of benefits of Privatization is endless.
    There is only one benefit of privatization and it never benefits the many. It's all about the profits for a few. Just another tool to destroy the middle class.

    Bsnub ... I'd green ya but I'm out of bullets.

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    Well, to cite another example, why is the US Military sub-contracting out to XE, Greywolf etc some of those "chores" if it isn't cheaper and more efficient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    Well, to cite another example, why is the US Military sub-contracting out to XE, Greywolf etc some of those "chores" if it isn't cheaper and more efficient?
    Duh, so their friends, sponsors, and future employers can get rich.

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    Rubbish...

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    Even Dick Cheney would disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
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    Even Dick Cheney would disagree with you.
    Doubtful.

    Greywolf and associated 'organizations' can respond faster, cheaper than mobilizing some 'squad' of US Military. And, the big plus is deniability in this ever litigious world we live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee View Post
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    Well, to cite another example, why is the US Military sub-contracting out to XE, Greywolf etc some of those "chores" if it isn't cheaper and more efficient?
    If you have the influence to get my government job contracted out to a defense contractor ... Go for it. My pay will go up a minimum of $ 15 an hour and OT will be through the roof. Sure, there will be no pension benefits ... but I don't need another pension anyway. And a higher salary will drive up my future social security benefits ... Make my day ...

    Prisons: Louisiana sure is a model for privatization ... Uh huh, yeah right ... IMHO those who support privatization of prisons are just plain cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
    Schools: For every study showing private is better than public there are another 1-2 that show they aren't ...
    Utilities: Yeah, we sure made out great when they privatized ... Zero trickle down.
    Telecommunications ... Current state is the biggest rip off imaginable ... Strictly designed to squeeze every ounce of blood out of the turnips.
    Postal service ... I'll take USPS ... Better service ... More choices depending on how fast I want to get something delivered. And most importantly decent paying jobs for decent folks.
    Last edited by Storekeeper; 02-07-2013 at 09:00 AM.

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    That's the truth.

    Green ya if I could.

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