Thread: Was The Pentagon 9/11 Attack Justified?

I lost alot of friends and colleagues who then worked in 1 and 2, and I get really feking offended at people who keep making up crap about the whole disaster.

Then I can take it you're offended by Bush/Cheney/Tenet/Rumsfeld, et al?

The victims of 911 died for a good cause, it led to the false pretense to go to war in Iraq, and spread democracy.

why is everybody complaining ?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Was the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon justified?

If you said yes, then what about the WTC attacks ('93, '01), bus attacks in London, the train attacks in Madrid, the Bali bombings, the US Embassies in Africa, and dozens of bombings in Morocco, Pakistan, Turkey, Saudia Arabia and Iraq.

Apples and Oranges.

The Pentagon represents the military and military-industrial complex symbolically and in action.

The other attack targets referred to above are civilian.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The victims of 911 died for a good cause, it led to the false pretense to go to war in Iraq, and spread democracy.

why is everybody complaining ?

I wish everyone would stop feeling sorry for the 'victims' of 9/11. The vast majority were quick as a whip to accept the paltry hush money offered to get them to not pursue any legal actions against the US government for what happened.

Seems damn few were that grieved over the death of their familiy members, at least nothing a million dollars wouldn't put an end to.

Originally Posted by kerux

The vast majority were quick as a whip to accept the paltry hush money offered to get them to not pursue any legal actions against the US government for what happened.

Seems damn few were that grieved over the death of their familiy members, at least nothing a million dollars wouldn't put an end to.

What on earth are you basing that on? What makes you think you can speak of the grief felt by others.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

What on earth are you basing that on? What makes you think you can speak of the grief felt by others.

Come on Ant, he doesn't base anything on anything real.

Those people who had relatives die in the towers won't come to the party and blame the jooooooz, so of course he has to insult them and deny their loss.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

What makes you think you can speak of the grief felt by others.

God told him.

Originally Posted by Lily

Those people who had relatives die in the towers won't come to the party and blame the jooooooz, so of course he has to insult them and deny their loss.

Indeed. Actually I think he's increasingly becoming a parody of himself, this kerux 'character'.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

What makes you think you can speak of the grief felt by others.

God told him.

I did not!

The vast majority were quick as a whip to accept the paltry hush money offered to get them to not pursue any legal actions against the US government for what happened.

Un disputed fact, I see, so the ad hominem from those that still believe the Official Conspiracy Theory.

If these 'victims' [btw: they didn't die] weren't so quick to accept the hush money, maybe things for the rest of us wouldn't be so bad - like a war in Iraq/Afghanistan and now Iran.

and maybe Bush and Cheney et al would be facing impeachment.



Meanwhile, with official findings of blame for the attacks slow in coming, hundreds of victims' survivors are spurning the government cash and flocking to federal courts. Undeterred by the difficulty in proving that anyone was culpably negligent — or by roadblocks set up by Congress and the Bush administration — the determined survivors are seeking money and facts on their own.

"Someday, please God, I will see my son again," says Kathleen Ashton, of Woodside, N.Y., whose son, Thomas Ashton, 21, died at the World Trade Center. "I need to be able to look at him and say, 'Tommy, I did the right thing.' The right thing is not to take the (government) money. The right thing is to try to get answers, to see what sort of lapses allowed the murderers to do what they were able to do."


USATODAY.com - Some 9/11 families reject federal fund and sue



Amen.

Originally Posted by kerux

Un disputed fact, I see, so the ad hominem from those that still believe the Official Conspiracy Theory

Or so you'd like to believe. It's not undisputed, nor is it a fact. So perhaps you could instead simply answer the actual question as to what you were basing that on instead of inventing ad hominem in order to avoid it.

And "Official Conspiracy Theory" is a tautology.

Airlines sue FBI, CIA for 9/11 access

NEW YORK (AP) — Airlines and aviation-related companies sued the CIA and the FBI on Tuesday to force terrorism investigators to tell whether the aviation industry was to blame for the Sept. 11 attacks.

The two lawsuits in U.S. District Court in Manhattan sought court orders for depositions as the aviation entities build their defenses against lawsuits seeking billions of dollars in damages for injuries, fatalities, property damage and business losses related to Sept. 11, 2001.

The aviation companies said the agencies in a series of boilerplate letters had refused to let them depose two secret agents, including the 2001 head of the CIA's special Osama bin Laden unit, and six FBI agents with key information about al-Qaeda and bin Laden. [The FBI has admitted they have 'no hard evidence bin Laden was involved w/9/11]

The airlines, airport authorities, security companies and an aircraft manufacturer said they were entitled to present evidence to show the terrorist attacks did not depend upon negligence by any aviation defendants and that there were other causes of the attacks.

They said that the depositions were likely to result in evidence showing the terrorists were sophisticated, ideologically driven and well-financed [Sure were] and would have succeeded regardless of any action by the aviation entities.

Airlines sue FBI, CIA for 9/11 access - USATODAY.com

No date.


Haven't got a chance in hell of winning. No way the government is going t let the truth out.

Sorry, there bubba, but it's a fact most familes took the hush money.

Are you disputing that fact? Some started out suing the government but then relented. A fewer still pursued, but were unwittingly represented by Jewish lawyers who let the cases languish.

I challenge you to provide any evidence to the contrary to anything of what I just posted.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by kerux

Un disputed fact, I see, so the ad hominem from those that still believe the Official Conspiracy Theory

Or so you'd like to believe. It's not undisputed, nor is it a fact. So perhaps you could instead simply answer the actual question as to what you were basing that on instead of inventing ad hominem in order to avoid it.

And "Official Conspiracy Theory" is a tautology.

nor is it a fact.

Fact:

Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 'Bribe'
Ignore Deadline for Compensation

by Tim Harper

WASHINGTON—For some, it's blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

But as many as 73 families see the process of U.S. government compensation as an attempt to protect those who should be held accountable for what they believe was mass murder.

They ignored a midnight deadline last night, their last chance to apply for government cash.

A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.
'Blood Money': Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 'Bribe'

There's more. Do your own search.

"Official Conspiracy Theory" is just that - an officially recognized and approved theory as to what happened on 9/11 proffered by the US government. And it is full of holes and lies.

And you don't know what tautology means.

Originally Posted by kerux

Sorry, there bubba, but it's a fact most familes took the hush money.

So you keep saying. But that basis alone doesn't make it a fact no more than my repeatedly stating the moon is made of blue cheese would make it fact.

Originally Posted by kerux

Are you disputing that fact?

Well gee, let me see... yup, I've asked you what you are basing that on twice now. I dunno, what do you think?

Originally Posted by kerux

I challenge you to provide any evidence to the contrary to anything of what I just posted

Ahh that old chestnut! You made the claim, you back it up. Otherwise I'll just dismiss it for what it is, your (misguided) opinion. And that won't change no matter how many times you say it's "fact".

9-11 LAWSUITS SUPPRESSED

VICTIMS’ FAMILIES ANGERED OVER SILENCE FROM MEDIA

By Christopher Bollyn

While the media plays up the significance of the government show trial of the seemingly deranged “20th hijacker” Zacharias Moussaoui, not one 9-11 victim’s lawsuit has been allowed to be heard in a trial by jury. Why have the 9-11 victims’ families not been given the same right to have their cases heard in an open trial?

Ellen Mariani, who lost her husband Neil on United Air Lines (UAL) Flight 175, filed the first 9-11 wrongful death lawsuit against UAL on Dec. 20, 2001. Mariani was interviewed on national television in May 2002 by Bill O’Reilly of Fox News, who repeatedly questioned her about why she had chosen to pursue litigation instead of accepting the government fund.

“I want justice,” Mariani said. “I want accountability. Who is responsible? I want the truth.”

Today, Mariani, like the other 9-11 plaintiffs, is under a gag order which prevents her from speaking about her ongoing lawsuit. Likewise, thousands of employees of federal agencies like the Federal Aviation Administration have received gag orders in the mail keeping them from telling what they know about the events of 9-11.

9-11 LAWSUITS SUPPRESSED

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by kerux

Sorry, there bubba, but it's a fact most familes took the hush money.

So you keep saying. But that basis alone doesn't make it a fact no more than my repeatedly stating the moon is made of blue cheese would make it fact.

Originally Posted by kerux

Are you disputing that fact?

Well gee, let me see... yup, I've asked you what you are basing that on twice now. I dunno, what do you think?

Originally Posted by kerux

I challenge you to provide any evidence to the contrary to anything of what I just posted

Ahh that old chestnut! You made the claim, you back it up. Otherwise I'll just dismiss it for what it is, your (misguided) opinion. And that won't change no matter how many times you say it's "fact".

What parts of my posts 317 and 315 and 313 and 311 would you like me to explain as to what is fact?

Well gee, let me see... yup, I've asked you what you are basing that on twice now. I dunno, what do you think?

What do I think? I think you can't read.

Why have the many victims’ cases like Mariani’s, brought by relatives of loved ones lost on 9-11, not been allowed to be heard in a trial by jury—a basic American right? And why have the foreign-owned security companies involved in the shocking security lapses, which enabled the attacks of 9-11, been granted immunity by the U.S. Congress?

The 9-11 wrongful death and personal injury cases against American Air Lines (AA) or UAL or any of the foreign security companies, namely Argenbright Security (British), Globe Aviation Services Corp. (Swedish) and Huntleigh USA Corp. (Israeli) are being handled by U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein of the Southern District of New York.

Hellerstein, 73, on the other hand, has deep and longstanding Zionist connections and close family ties to the state of Israel. A Zionist is a supporter of the state of Israel. Hellerstein’s wife is a former senior vice president and current treasurer of a New York-based Zionist organization called AMIT. AMIT promotes Jewish immigration to Israel and stands for Americans for Israel and Torah. AMIT’s motto is “Building Israel—One Child at a Time.”

Hellerstein is a member of the Jewish Center of New York and a former president of the Board of Jewish Education of Greater New York.

This raises the obvious question about why, in the 9-11 terror case in which an Israeli security company is a key defendant and in which individuals from Israeli military intelligence are suspected of being involved, was Hellerstein chosen to preside over all 9-11 victim lawsuits?

Huntleigh USA is a wholly owned subsidiary of an Israeli company called International Consultants on Targeted Security (ICTS) International N.V., a Netherlands-based aviation and transportation security firm headed by “former [Israeli] military commanding officers and veterans of government intelligence and security agencies.”

9-11 LAWSUITS SUPPRESSED

Zionist fingerprints are all over 9/11

What parts of my posts 317 and 315 and 313 and 311 would you like me to explain as to what is fact?

Ok, well lets start with this. Where you've managed to cut 'n paste something that disproves your very own assertion. The very same one that I queried as it happens: "Seems damn few were that grieved over the death of their familiy members, at least nothing a million dollars wouldn't put an end to".

And then, nice cut n' pasting skills by the way, you post this:

For some, it's blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

So perhaps you could put down the post-shifting tools and the cut 'n pastes for a minute and address that, the original enquiry?

What do I think? I think you can't read.

Really? Yet you managed to totally miss the part where I explicitly asked you what you were basing that on. Twice.

And what was that you were saying about ad hominem? I take it then, given your juvenile retorts, that what I said must be 'undisputed fact' - following your 'logic' of course.

nobody can handle the truth about 911, that's the problem ? what would happened if in fact we found out that Mossad and The Pentagon was behind the attack ? absolutely nothing, it would be a society meltdown with more than 3000 people to die,

The truth is the Devil's work, not God

Originally Posted by Butterfly

The truth is the Devil's work, not God

Got that right for once.
The Devil in the form of OBL...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The Devil in the form of OBL...

6 years later, and the 'devil' is still a free man though, isn't he?

is there no accountability for killing 3000 people?

whatever happened to 'dead or alive'?

Was the attack justified? Not in my opinion. Was it a legitimate target for an enemy? Yes. Was the delivery system legitimate meaning the passengers were collateral damage. No. It's amazing how some people attempt to link the murdering bastards to US troops by claiming collateral damage on the bastards behalf. I can understand trolling the idea on message boards but to take it as a serious political stand is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The Devil in the form of OBL...

6 years later, and the 'devil' is still a free man though, isn't he?

is there no accountability for killing 3000 people?

whatever happened to 'dead or alive'?

So were you for going into Afghanistan and if we weren't tied up in Iraq you'd think incursions into Pakistan would be ok? I ask because I can't remember. I was not for either invasion. I believe the traditional way of spies, bribes and assassinations is the way to go. The people of the region are not ignorant of these methods. Mercenary work is considered a legitimate means of employment. They switch sides all the time. Bribes? Standard procedure. Assassinations? Hell they occur at all levels of society. The news could report that our regional allies are involved in a local dispute.

Carter fkd that all up. He believed US overseas intelligence operatives dealt with horrid people. He bot the bill of goods that satellites and tracking money transfers could replace the human factor. What a massive failure in foreign policy that is. Add to it that Carter helped usher in Khomeini and an Islamic state in the region. Way to go.

I agree with you that now that we are in Iraq we have an obligation to Iraqis to see it through. We also owe it to our allies who answered the call and we owe it to ourselves. The best possible solution would be success. I understand your doubts that we should stay on. As time goes on I see the US losing lives and blowing billions of dollars and I don't see where the financial incentive is for the Iraqi leadership to see us leave. They don't want us to shut off the pipeline of cash and resources we have flowing into the country. It is not often if ever in one's lifetime that Allah drops such a ripe and sweet melon into one's lap.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The Devil in the form of OBL...

6 years later, and the 'devil' is still a free man though, isn't he?

is there no accountability for killing 3000 people?

whatever happened to 'dead or alive'?

The jerk is already dead. They just keep trotting out some old air-brushed photo..