Was The Pentagon 9/11 Attack Justified?

**kerux** · 13-09-2007, 06:33 AM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

What parts of my posts 317 and 315 and 313 and 311 would you like me to explain as to what is fact?

Ok, well lets start with this. Where you've managed to cut 'n paste something that disproves your very own assertion. The very same one that I queried as it happens: "Seems damn few were that grieved over the death of their familiy members, at least nothing a million dollars wouldn't put an end to".

And then, nice cut n' pasting skills by the way, you post this:

For some, it's blood money, a repugnant payoff they feel they have no choice but to accept.

For a handful of others, the process of claiming compensation is too painful: they find themselves paralyzed by grief and unable to reopen emotional wounds barely healed from the deaths of their loved ones in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

So perhaps you could put down the post-shifting tools and the cut 'n pastes for a minute and address that, the original enquiry?

What do I think? I think you can't read.

Really? Yet you managed to totally miss the part where I explicitly asked you what you were basing that on. Twice.

And what was that you were saying about ad hominem? I take it then, given your juvenile retorts, that what I said must be 'undisputed fact' - following your 'logic' of course.

I guess you missed this tidbit:

A late surge of claims on deadline yesterday meant close to 95 per cent of the 2,976 families who lost loved ones in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania were expected to finally take the money.

'Blood Money': Families Sue U.S., Reject 9/11 'Bribe'

Just like I said, only a handful refused to take the blood money. And I still think you can't read.

**kerux** · 13-09-2007, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

The jerk is already dead. They just keep trotting out some old air-brushed photo..

The "jerk" was doing no less than what we all should be doing - defending what he believes in.

Our governments have hijacked our countries and many can't even see that yet, including you.

Dead or alive, bin Laden had no more to do w/9/11 than you or I.

The only reason these tapes keep popping up at the right time is because there are still enough of you dummies out here who believe in the sh*t the government spits out.

**AntRobertson** · 13-09-2007, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

Just like I said, only a handful refused to take the blood money. And I still think you can't read.

Yes well that might be a bit more meaningful of an assessment if, in all your copious cut 'n pasting, you'd actually managed to address the actual issue. However since you clearly haven't then it makes you look a bit foolish.

So reproduced here, for your benefit, in full Teak Door Living Colour is your original post and my query of it:

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by kerux

The vast majority were quick as a whip to accept the paltry hush money offered to get them to not pursue any legal actions against the US government for what happened.

Seems damn few were that grieved over the death of their familiy members, at least nothing a million dollars wouldn't put an end to.

What on earth are you basing that on? What makes you think you can speak of the grief felt by others.

So not only have you managed to wholly miss the point, the only items you've managed to post pointedly make a lie of your initial statement. All the rest of your cut 'n pasting is just smoke and mirrors, moving the posts. But hey, missing the point and resorting to ad hominem seems to be your style so I really shouldn't be surprised I guess.

**Whiteshiva** · 14-09-2007, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by kerux

Just like I said, only a handful refused to take the blood money. And I still think you can't read.

Yes well that might be a bit more meaningful of an assessment if, in all your copious cut 'n pasting, you'd actually managed to address the actual issue. However since you clearly haven't then it makes you look a bit foolish.

So reproduced here, for your benefit, in full Teak Door Living Colour is your original post and my query of it:

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by kerux

The vast majority were quick as a whip to accept the paltry hush money offered to get them to not pursue any legal actions against the US government for what happened.

Seems damn few were that grieved over the death of their familiy members, at least nothing a million dollars wouldn't put an end to.

What on earth are you basing that on? What makes you think you can speak of the grief felt by others.

So not only have you managed to wholly miss the point, the only items you've managed to post pointedly make a lie of your initial statement. All the rest of your cut 'n pasting is just smoke and mirrors, moving the posts. But hey, missing the point and resorting to ad hominem seems to be your style so I really shouldn't be surprised I guess.

You're right, you shouldn't. The only surprise here is why you are still wasting your time with that nutcase. Wrestlin' with pigs and all that stuff.....

**AntRobertson** · 14-09-2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

You're right, you shouldn't. The only surprise here is why you are still wasting your time with that nutcase. Wrestlin' with pigs and all that stuff.....

Guilty as charged your honour! Truth of the matter is I derive some form of perverse pleasure from hanging guys like this from their own illogical ropes. Even though, lets face it, it's not actually that difficult

Conspiracy theorists and other of their ilk are an anathema to reason, commonsense, logic and even decency. I'm the self-appointed defender!

[Edit]

You'll notice also that in the face of logic kerux has had no retort, so I'm clearly doing good!

**Butterfly** · 14-09-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

The only reason these tapes keep popping up at the right time is because there are still enough of you dummies out here who believe in the sh*t the government spits out.

you might have a point right there, but what else can we do ? absolutely nothing. Hiding in a Church reading the bible is not going to cut it

**kerux** · 14-09-2007, 11:40 AM

Who's hiding in a church reading a Bible?

**AntRobertson** · 14-09-2007, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by kerux

Who's hiding in a church reading a Bible?

You, perhaps? Dunno really, but you're clearly doing something else other than addressing the issues.

Perhaps you'd like to address post #328 now? Alternatively of course you could simply start throwing more petty/childish insults and hope that masks the fact you, perhaps, lack the ability of critical and rational discourse?

**Whiteshiva** · 14-09-2007, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

You're right, you shouldn't. The only surprise here is why you are still wasting your time with that nutcase. Wrestlin' with pigs and all that stuff.....

Guilty as charged your honour! Truth of the matter is I derive some form of perverse pleasure from hanging guys like this from their own illogical ropes.

Do you derive pleasure from throwing rocks at caged animals, too? It may be fun for you, but it is getting increasingly annoying to others. Of all the people you could interact with on this forum, why do you have to trade blow with the metally handicapped and criminally insane? It is cruel, far to easy and highly unneccessary. You are better than this Ant, I know it......

**AntRobertson** · 14-09-2007, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Do you derive pleasure from throwing rocks at caged animals, too? It may be fun for you, but it is getting increasingly annoying to others. Of all the people you could interact with on this forum, why do you have to trade blow with the metally handicapped and criminally insane? It is cruel, far to easy and highly unneccessary. You are better than this Ant, I know it......

Whiteshiva, with all due respect, get the fock off your high-horse.

**Whiteshiva** · 17-09-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Do you derive pleasure from throwing rocks at caged animals, too? It may be fun for you, but it is getting increasingly annoying to others. Of all the people you could interact with on this forum, why do you have to trade blow with the metally handicapped and criminally insane? It is cruel, far to easy and highly unneccessary. You are better than this Ant, I know it......

Whiteshiva, with all due respect, get the fock off your high-horse.

OK, I was wrong - you are clearly not better than this....

**AntRobertson** · 17-09-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

OK, I was wrong - you are clearly not better than this....

Right. Bet you get a good view from way up on high there.

**machangezi** · 17-09-2007, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

So....was the Pentagon attack justified?

IMHO the Pentagon attack would have been considered just, if there were no civilians on the plane.

So no, it is not justified.

**Whiteshiva** · 17-09-2007, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

OK, I was wrong - you are clearly not better than this....

Right. Bet you get a good view from way up on high there.

Can't complain - it certainly beats rolling around in the mud with the pigs.

**AntRobertson** · 17-09-2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

OK, I was wrong - you are clearly not better than this....

Right. Bet you get a good view from way up on high there.

Can't complain - it certainly beats rolling around in the mud with the pigs.

You'd want to be careful, it's a long way to fall from up there too.

**HermantheGerman** · 19-09-2007, 01:39 AM

This might be a bit old but the question might be for all the 9/11 denials.
Who was behind this Mass Murder plan ?

From The Times
August 11, 2006
A plan 'to commit unimaginable mass murder'

Assets of 19 suspects are frozen
Pakistan money link investigated
Martyrdom video is discovered

By Philip Webster, Sean O'Neill and Stewart Tendler

ALARMING intelligence that an attack was imminent was the trigger for police raids which captured 24 terrorist suspects, including two white converts to Islam, The Times has learnt.
Counter-terrorist agencies, which had been monitoring the plotters for 12 months, were last night questioning the suspects about an alleged plot to detonate suicide bombs on five US-bound aircraft.
Some of those detained had been under investigation before for extremist activity.
A “martyrdom video”, apparently recorded by a would-be suicide bomber, was found at one of the raided addresses, government sources said.

Last night Gordon Brown, the Chancellor, moved to freeze the assets of 19 men arrested in the raids. Several had thousands of pounds in their accounts.
US sources claimed last night that substantial sums of money had been wired from Pakistan to two of the alleged ringleaders so that they could purchase airline tickets. One report said they were planning a “dry run”.
This may have been the event that triggered the decision to arrest the suspects. Co-ordinated arrests were also made in Pakistan, including the detention of figures in the militant group Lashkar-i-Taiba.
Meetings of the Government’s Cobra emergency unit were told that the first wave of bombings was to have targeted five aircraft leaving British airports in the next few days. The destinations, US officials said, were New York, Washington DC, Boston, Chicago and Los Angeles. The plotters are said to have studied the timetables of three US airlines: American, Continental and United.
Security sources said that a second wave of attacks had been considered, with as many as 12 aircraft to be attacked.
Surveillance on internet traffic between the suspected terrorists indicated that they had considered setting off their devices simultaneously in mid-Atlantic but had also discussed trying to blow up the aircraft as they circled above the destination cities. The aim was to cause maximum death and destruction in the air and on American soil.
Paul Stephenson, Deputy Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said: “We are confident that we have disrupted a plan by terrorists to cause untold death and destruction and commit mass murder. This was intended to be mass murder on an unimaginable scale.”
John Reid, the Home Secretary, said that “loss of life would have been on an unprecedented scale”.
US sources said that the main fear of British authorities was that terrorists planned to hide micro-bombs in false bottoms built into opaque energy drink bottles, enabling them to still drink the contents.
The devices may have been liquid explosive but experts said that it was more likely to have been a more stable peroxide material similar to that used in the 7/7 attacks last year.
The apparent intention was to explode the device using a detonator concealed in the flash mechanism of a disposable camera to puncture a hole in the aircraft skin. MP3 players or electronic key fobs could also have been used to trigger an explosion.
Michael Chertoff, the US Homeland Security Secretary, said: “The conception, the large number of people involved, the sophisticated design of the devices that were being considered and the sophisticated nature of the plan, all suggest that this group that came together to conspire was very determined, and very skilled, and very capable.”
Mr Chertoff said that the plan had many of the characteristics of an al-Qaeda operation — a so-called terrorist spectacular aimed at mulitiple targets. He added that it was “well advanced” and “really quite close to the execution phase”.
Strict security instructions were issued to airports and airlines yesterday. They included a ban on all hand luggage with the exception of essential travel items.
Gels and liquids were strictly barred with the exception of baby milk, but parents were told that they would have to taste the contents of children’s bottles before they could take them on to aircraft.
The measures caused chaotic scenes at airports up and down the country as hundreds of flights were cancelled and many more were delayed — all at the height of the summer holiday season.
Hours before the airport clampdown, police conducted raids in North and East London, Birmingham and High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire.
The two dozen people taken into custody are being questioned at Paddington Green high security police station in West London. The majority are understood to be young British Asian men of Pakistani descent, many holding dual nationality. But residents in areas where the arrests took place identified at least one man who they said was a white British convert to Islam.
The alleged ringleaders have been under surveillance since last year, security sources said. MI5 is believed to have been alerted by suspicious activity during visits to Pakistan.
The plot, which at first was considered too far-fetched, had echoes of an al-Qaeda plan, codenamed Bojinka and discovered in the Philippines in the mid-1990s, to use explosives in bottles in attacks on aircraft.
Reports from Pakistani intelligence, suggesting the direct involvement of senior Kashmiri militants linked to al-Qaeda, convinced British intelligence that the plot had to be taken seriously. Scotland Yard’s anti-terrorist branch was brought in to the operation last December.
“We have been looking at meetings, movements, travel, spending and the aspirations of a large group of people,” said Peter Clarke, Deputy Assistant Commisioner and head of the Anti-Terrorist Branch. “This has involved close co-operation, not only between agencies and police forces in the UK, but also internationally.”
A number of events are understood to have convinced the counter-terrorist agencies to act. A telephone call about the alleged plot was intercepted, internet communication increased noticeably and two men under surveillance disappeared off the intelligence radar. However, security sources indicated that the key event — thought to be the transfer of funds — had taken place overseas. “It was very close, and it was too risky to allow the surveillance operation to go on for any longer,” one source said.
Mr Reid, who had chaired meetings of Cobra through the night, said that all the main players in the alleged conspiracy had been traced and arrested. And a Scotland Yard source said: “We have arrested all our targets, there is no one significant outstanding.”
However, ABC, the US television network, reported sources in Washington saying that five suspects were still at large.
Police teams were continuing to search business and residential properties — including lock-up garages in the Small Heath area of Birmingham. A search was also under way in an area of woodland in High Wycombe. Scotland Yard declined to say if any explosive materials had been found.
Mr Reid said that he had raised the terrorist threat level to “critical”, suggesting that an attack in the UK is imminent, adding that he was erring on the side of caution.
Downing Street said that Tony Blair, on holiday in the Caribbean, had been aware of the operation for several weeks.
WHAT THEY SAID
‘Today marks the culmination of one phase of a major operation that has lasted several months, and will last long into the future’
Peter Clarke, Metropolitan Police anti-terrorist branch
‘We are involved in a long, wide and deep struggle against very evil people’
John Reid, Home Secretary
‘Planes remain vulnerable. In the coming weeks terrorists will be thinking of something else to do that we have no idea about’
Peter Neumann, Centre for Defence Studies, King’s College, London
UNDER SUSPICION
These are the names of 19 suspects reportedly being held by the police after the foiled plot and whose assets the Treasury has sought to have frozen.
Umir Hussain, 24, London E14
Muhammed Usman Saddique, 24, London E17
Waheed Zaman, 22, London E17
Assan Abdullah Khan, 22, London E17
Waseem Kayani, 28, High Wycombe
Waheed Arafat Khan, 24, London E17
Cossor Ali, 24, London E17
Tayib Rauf, 21, Birmingham
Ibrahim Savant, 26, London E17
Osman Adam Khatib, 20, London E17
Shamin Mohammed Uddin, 36, Stoke Newington
Amin Asmin Tariq, 23, London E17
Shazad Khuram Ali, 27, High Wycombe
Tanvir Hussain, 24, London E10
Umar Islam, 28, (born Brian Young) High Wycombe
Assad Sarwar, 25, High Wycombe
Abdullah Ali, 26, London E17
Abdul Muneem Patel, 17, London E5
Nabeel Hussain, 21, Waltham Forest

A plan 'to commit unimaginable mass murder' - Times Online

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nterror23.xml

'A plot to commit murder on an unimaginable scale' | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Politics

**KID** · 23-09-2007, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by Milkman

So....was the Pentagon attack justified?

IMHO the Pentagon attack would have been considered just, if there were no civilians on the plane.

So no, it is not justified.

Not just the planes macha but the trade center also---- military targets only-- but ya still you would still get a green if I did not need to spread the luv around first

**stroller** · 23-09-2007, 11:26 AM

In a war, targeting important civilian structures is common place, to disrupt the functioning of the infrastructure - reservoirs, powerstations, industrial factories.
So the trade center would have been a legitimate target, except this wasn't a war, but some loonies posturing.

**Boon Mee** · 23-09-2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

In a war, targeting important civilian structures is common place, to disrupt the functioning of the infrastructure - reservoirs, powerstations, industrial factories.
So the trade center would have been a legitimate target, except this wasn't a war, but some loonies posturing.

Somehow folks don't really get the drift that OBL & crew were 'posturing' when they took down the embassy in Kenya, twin towers etc...this is a war.

**The Gentleman** · 13-10-2007, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by stroller

In a war, targeting important civilian structures is common place, to disrupt the functioning of the infrastructure - reservoirs, powerstations, industrial factories.
So the trade center would have been a legitimate target, except this wasn't a war, but some loonies posturing.

Somehow folks don't really get the drift that OBL & crew were 'posturing' when they took down the embassy in Kenya, twin towers etc...this is a war.

Was Osama Some Sort
Of 911 Superman?
By Douglas Herman
10-12-7
Osama arose early that September day and donned his cloaking device, a cape that made him invisible and impervious to all detection. Next he pocketed some pixie dust, a powerful magic dust that can cast an evil spell of utter stupidity over certain American patriots Osama sprinkled it on. Within seconds, at the speed of light, he sped to two different airports at once, to whisk 19 hijackers through four different passenger check ins without anyone being spotted. He sprinkled some pixie dust on all the airline hostesses, who stupidly never logged a single hijacker onto their computers. Next he flew to NORAD headquarters, entered with his cloaking device, and sprinkled pixie dust on the top USAF generals there. Osama knew no planes would fly that day. But he wanted to make sure. So he sped to Washington DC at the speed of light, and sprinkled pixie dust over Don Rumsfeld at the Pentagon and Dick Cheney at the White House. Instantly the two super patriots became utterly stupid, utterly useless and utterly unpatriotic. Luckily Super Osama would not have to waste any pixie dust on Dubya, the President already doing his best to act stupid somewhere in Florida. Airborne, the hijacked Boeing jetliners sped westward, with stupid, untrained pilots at the controls. Using his super powers, Osama whisked the off-course planes back towards the targets he had chosen, back towards the east, untroubled by NORAD fighters or patriotic Neocon politicians, or failed Cessna pilots at the controls, who might foil his plan. While the Boeings headed towards their targets, the evil Osama used his super powers to whisk tons of gold from the vaults beneath the World Trade Towers. Next he sped into FBI headquarters, his cloak of invisibility allowing him access, and sprinkled pixie dust over the smartest FBI agents there. Super Osama knew, once the targets were struck and destroyed, these suddenly stupid FBI agents would rush to the scene of the destruction and remove all the CCTV tapes and the black boxes and hide them forever from the American people. But one thing troubled Osama. Pixie dust would not work on ALL the American people all the time. Only on those predisposed to stupidity. Vexed for a moment, Osama suddenly brightened. The stupidest people in America already worked for the US mainstream media. The well-connected talking heads would assure the success of his plan. Pixie dust would make pundits and reporters even stupider. Gladdened, Osama flew to the trade towers and, still invisible, pushed the tall buildings down in seconds flat. Amused at himself, he squashed Building 7 for good measure in seven seconds flat. Later he sprinkled his last pixie dust over EPA director Christine Todd Whitman, making her so stupid that she claimed airborne-laden asbestos was healthy for humans. And people actually believed her. By mid-afternoon, Osama relaxed at his secret underground lair on Tora Bora, removed his cloaking device and planned his next super crime. To be continued... Douglas Herman writes for Rense regularly while avoiding pixie dust.

**barbaro** · 13-10-2007, 03:03 AM

Thanks to the Gentleman Scamp for reviving this topic.

I do believe, the Pentagon attack was justified.

It was a good thing. I regret more murderers didn't pay the price.

**stroller** · 13-10-2007, 06:36 AM

I hope I am misunderstanding this comment.

What murderers?

**barbaro** · 13-10-2007, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

I hope I am misunderstanding this comment.

I think you are. Let me be more clear.

What murderers?

The Pentagon has murdered over 1 million people since it was created post WWII.

**KID** · 13-10-2007, 10:23 AM

^ Evil bastards-- all americans must die !!!

**barbaro** · 13-10-2007, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by KID

^ Evil bastards-- all americans must die !!!

You're misreading the statement entirely. And this is not the first time for you.

The Pentagon is not "all Americans." The Pentagon does not represent Americans. The Pentagon is a small faction that represents the economic interests.

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