Thread: Was The Pentagon 9/11 Attack Justified?

I don't know, all this fuss because a shop wants to open 2 hours later

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

pulling all the cameras from the area immediately after the missile hit is proof enough for me

exactly, if they have nothing to hide, why haven't they release the FULL footage of the security camera

And why did the FBI seize the security tapes from a neighbouring gas station? They have never been released.
Wht was no trace of two eleven ton engines found at the Pentagon? And no impact holes or damage? A turbine fan was shown as evidence- it did not come from a B737, too small!
Why did the US government quash any investigation into the startling options trading activity in the lead up to 911, and seize and classify information?

Too many questions here. I don't know how far this conspiracy thing might go, but something is being covered up imo.

I can't see a grand conspiracy myself. Conspiracies only work if small numbers of people are involved. I've read a dozen or so books on Al Qaeda and Islamic militancy. Thousands of independant journalists have written articles on 9/11.

Osama Bin laden, Ramzi Bin alshibah, KSM all exist and were certianly planning to attack the WTC. I don't believe an American or Jewish cabal could plan a rocket attack and controlled demolition to exaclty coinside with the Islamic militant attack. Just think of the logistics involved!

The Grand Conspiracy theory is just nonsense. One of my univeristy tutors once interviewed Said Omar Sheik and my brother met Ramzi Yousef once! Who are these people life long CIA agents or something? The CIA and FBI bask in their all powerful reputations but over 5 years on from 9/11 the FBI has five agents who are proficient in Arabic.

I would be willig to entertain a conspiracy like The Bush Gang thought a smallish sclae attack was coming and did nothing to stop in order to implement their long planned "he trieedd ta kill ma dad" policy. But even that is very very risky.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

For all you in the Lunatic Brigade (and you do know who you are) remember, NOTHING that happened on September 11th needs any more explanation than what was obvious from the second impact...namely, that Islamic terrorists hijaked four American aircraft and flew three of them into their targets. To try to convince folks of missile attacks and rigged explosives and mystery jets is nothing more than an intentional assault on reason and common sense, one that damns the innocent and protects those mass murderers with our blood on their hands. There are none so blind than those who will not see...

Boon Mee you are a GREAT AMERICAN , really I mean that, YOU TRULY ARE A GREAT AMERICAN.

You are exactly what you should be.

I know it sounds mad but it is actually true (well 33 agents with "some" profciency":

FBI Agents Still Lacking Arabic Skills

33 of 12,000 Have Some Proficiency


By Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 11, 2006; Page A01

Five years after Arab terrorists attacked the United States, only 33 FBI agents have even a limited proficiency in Arabic, and none of them work in the sections of the bureau that coordinate investigations of international terrorism, according to new FBI statistics.

what about the Pentagon exercise that day of a "fake" attack on the Pentagon, WH, and a big city with NORAD involved ? they first thought it was a joke or part of the excercise ? coincidence ? don't think so

What about the plane that didn't crash in that empty field ? I am sure it's somewhere but where ???

Originally Posted by Butterfly

what about the Pentagon exercise that day of a "fake" attack on the Pentagon, WH, and a big city with NORAD involved ? they first thought it was a joke or part of the excercise ? coincidence ? don't think so

What about the plane that didn't crash in that empty field ? I am sure it's somewhere but where ???

This is a quote from Yosri Frouda's (cheif executive reporter at Al Jazeera) interview with Ramzi Bin al Binalshibh:

"The brothers shouted, Allah-u-Akbar, thanks to God, and cried. Everyone thought that this was the only operation. We said to them, 'Wait, wait.'
"Suddenly our brother Marwan was violently ramming the plane into the [World Trade Center] in an unbelievable manner! We were watching live and praying: God ... aim ... aim ... aim."

so now Al Jazeera and Binalshibh are part of the conspiracy? Or did some secret organisation somehow manage to secrectly co-ordinate their attacks to coinside with the Arab's strikes?

Originally Posted by mad_dog

In my opinion the 9/11 attacks were in no way terrorism. In the event of war seats of goverment, economic infrastructure and military command centers would be the first targets. An attack using a civilian airliner is as morally justifiable as one using an atom bomb: both are wrong.

Good point on what I see as the mis-labeling of "terrorism."

If a nation-state uses it's military to bomb targets where civilians are considered "collateral damage," then why is it called "civilian deaths" instead of "terrorism."

I remember the "terrorist" vs. "freedom fighter" soundbites.


Semantics.

Too true milkman

Sovereign states are the legitimate actors of political violence. Any actor who conducts political violence without the authority inherent within the soveriegn state system is a terrorist.

That is the only difference between a soldier and a terrorist.

Killing civilians has noting at all to with it.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Too true milkman

Sovereign states are the legitimate actors of political violence. Any actor who conducts political violence without the authority inherent within the soveriegn state system is a terrorist.

That is the only difference between a soldier and a terrorist.

Killing civilians has noting at all to with it.

Brilliant points, MD.

I just wish the public as a whole would percieve it the same way - they don't - and this is frustrating.

Because the public is stupid.

They cry out when terrorists bomb and kill Americans...but fail to see how bombing and killing others doesn't exactly make us welcome in the world.

If anything the world hates Americans because Americans think their shit smells better than everyone else's.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

what about the Pentagon exercise that day of a "fake" attack on the Pentagon, WH, and a big city with NORAD involved ? they first thought it was a joke or part of the excercise ? coincidence ? don't think so

What about the plane that didn't crash in that empty field ? I am sure it's somewhere but where ???

What about it?

Fake Moon landings.
JFK assassination.
Alien landings.
Santa Claus
Tooth Fairy
Bush lied, soldiers died...this list is endless...

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Too true milkman

Sovereign states are the legitimate actors of political violence. Any actor who conducts political violence without the authority inherent within the soveriegn state system is a terrorist.

That is the only difference between a soldier and a terrorist.

Killing civilians has noting at all to with it.

MD you have just therefore stated that Israel and America (etc) do not commit Terrorist acts because they are a government. I totally disagree with this. Israel illegally occupies Palestine, yet when they commit their barbarities this is not terrorism. The Palestinian government has factions that commit fewer terrorist acts, but this then is terrorism?
The modern form of US warfare, known as 'shock and awe' is deliberately terrorist. It is also a failure. Why let politicians use spin to redefine these terms for you?

Originally Posted by Wallace

Not sure the last time a full time soldier, paid by a government, entered a crowded market and blew him/herself up along with lots of other innocent people.

So, to be terrorism , it has to be blowing a bomb?
US soldiers raiding civilian houses, raping the womans and shooting the males is not terror?

Originally Posted by Wallace

Not sure of the logic of this argument. Suicide bombers are terrorists, aren't they? Not sure the last time a full time soldier, paid by a government, entered a crowded market and blew him/herself up along with lots of other innocent people. There is a BIG difference between this kind of terrorism and a soldier.

People running down the road skin on fire ? The Americans would never do something like that:

^ Napalm struck a lot of innocents.

And so do "smart bombs."

I still cannot understand why there is sympathy towards American soldiers, especially in the U.S.

I am from a military town: Mostly Navy, but there are huge Air Force and Army bases, and people think the Americans "are the good guys."

This isn't always the case.

Terrorism for me, is an act carried out against civilians.
No matter if it is done by a loosely formed group in civilian clothes or by a government dressed soldier.

Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The list of atrocities goes far back.

Given the way we have acted around the world I would fathom that even more terrorist acts are going to happen.

You reap what you sow.