The Gun Issue thread

[Norton]

The Low Information Voter sucks this stuff up like candy...

Indeed. Unlike here on TD where I'm sure all have read the bill in detail.

[Mr Earl]

Y'all are still missing the point; the bill does fuck all to prevent and deter criminals and wackjobs from using firearms while directing all the legistation at law abibing citizens.
It's completely ass backwards and that's pretty damned obvious.

Sure enough 90% of the people support a sensible background check which actually already exists in part.
What good does it do to pass new law when current law isn't being properly adjudicated?
It be all smoke a mirrors for the dumb and gulible do gooders who feel the need to do the emotional knee jerk every time a Sandy Hook or a Colombine shooting occures.

See what I mean folks? Any excuse to do nothing, even after kids are shot to pieces.

Instead of asking and addressing the real tough questions; running around like headless chickens is preferable? I dont understand.

[Boon Mee]

The Low Information Voter sucks this stuff up like candy...

Indeed. Unlike here on TD where I'm sure all have read the bill in detail.

Pretty amazing when these elected officials like Nancy Pelosi et.al. come out with the rediclous statements we have to pass the bill so we can see what's in it.

Is that fucked-up or what?

Thy are doing the same thing with the Immigration Bill too...

[Morden]

Y'all are still missing the point; the bill does fuck all to prevent and deter criminals and wackjobs from using firearms while directing all the legistation at law abibing citizens.
It's completely ass backwards and that's pretty damned obvious.

Sure enough 90% of the people support a sensible background check which actually already exists in part.
What good does it do to pass new law when current law isn't being properly adjudicated?
It be all smoke a mirrors for the dumb and gulible do gooders who feel the need to do the emotional knee jerk every time a Sandy Hook or a Colombine shooting occures.

See what I mean folks? Any excuse to do nothing, even after kids are shot to pieces.

Instead of asking and addressing the real tough questions; running around like headless chickens is preferable? I dont understand.

Perhaps one of the any-gun-anywhere- anyone brigade could answer that. It seems to me that they act like headless chickens.

[Mr Earl]

every time a Sandy Hook or a Colombine shooting occures.

Christ on a bike , how fokin sad are you .

You act as if Sandy Hook and Colombine were daily occurences which they aren't.

If you sincerely were concerned about the loss of innocent lives you would be asking some other questions and not playing on this highly emotional isssue which has all the headless chickens scurrying about wildly. That's actually the sad part.

[Norton]

Could care less what Nancy Pansie says. The bill is right there for all to see. All bills are.

[misskit]

^That background check law compelled gun show and online sales to do background checks. It is sensible and closes a loophole in the current law. People wanted it and it didn't pass.

But like I said it has no teeth if current law isn't enforced properly. It's stupid lightweight feel good panacea which does nothing to really address the issue of gun crime.

Though let me point out to you once again that it is what 90% Americans wanted.

You can be part of the 10% of the people who think we people who don't want to see school kids or movies goers shot to hell and back with guns bought online are too sympathetic. Fine, but you are in a low and surprisingly callous minority.

The people we elect should promote the will of the people who elected them and not lobby groups with money.

[Mr Earl]

Perhaps one of the any-gun-anywhere- anyone brigade could answer that. It seems to me that they act like headless chickens.

Responsible gun owners with concealed carry permits are hardly headless chickens, far from it.

[Boon Mee]

... .. let me point out to you once again that it is what 90% Americans wanted.

We keep hearing this 90% number.

Got an accurate source for that?

[Mid]

You act as if Sandy Hook and Colombine were daily occurences which they aren't.

Try as you may the list of gun slaughters is overwhelming , to put it kindly .

[Mr Earl]

^That background check law compelled gun show and online sales to do background checks. It is sensible and closes a loophole in the current law. People wanted it and it didn't pass.

But like I said it has no teeth if current law isn't enforced properly. It's stupid lightweight feel good panacea which does nothing to really address the issue of gun crime.

Though let me point out to you once again that it is what 90% Americans wanted.

You can be part of the 10% of the people who think we people who don't want to see school kids or movies goers shot to hell and back with guns bought online are too sympathetic. Fine, but you are in a low and surprisingly callous minority.

The people we elect should promote the will of the people who elected them and not lobby groups with money.

I'm for a proper background check system with enforcement. The current bacground check system isn't even enforced, what makes you think passing some new knee jerk legislation would be enforced?

[Morden]

every time a Sandy Hook or a Colombine shooting occures.

Christ on a bike , how fokin sad are you .

You act as if Sandy Hook and Colombine were daily occurences which they aren't.

If you sincerely were concerned about the loss of innocent lives you would be asking some other questions and not playing on this highly emotional isssue which has all the headless chickens scurrying about wildly. That's actually the sad part.

The sad part is that some people think that one massacre of schoolchildren is OK and needs no action. How many such incidents would it need before they felt it was time to act?

[Norton]

U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Active Legislation

All you ever wanted to know about any Senate bill but were afraid to ask.

[Boon Mee]

what makes you think passing some new knee jerk legislation would be enforced?

Therein lies a Liberal's Cognitive Dissonance.

[Morden]

Perhaps one of the any-gun-anywhere- anyone brigade could answer that. It seems to me that they act like headless chickens.

Responsible gun owners with concealed carry permits are hardly headless chickens, far from it.

They are like Porsche owners. Carrying a gun compensates for having a small willy. One day, one or more of the latter day cowboys will kill an innocent person. f the NYPD can get it wrong, then so can they.

[misskit]

National (US) Poll - April 4, 2013 - Background Checks Could Lead T | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

One of several polls out there with the same results.

[Mr Earl]

You act as if Sandy Hook and Colombine were daily occurences which they aren't.

Try as you may the list of gun slaughters is overwhelming , to put it kindly .

Actually what is overwhelming are crime rates in places like the UK where firesarms are next to impossible to procure.
An armed society is a far more polite society.

The real problem in the USA isn't the firearm, but how the violentcriminals and violent mentaly unstable are coddled by the system.
That's what you're background check fails to address and therefore would fail to accomplish squat!

[Boon Mee]

National (US) Poll - April 4, 2013 - Background Checks Could Lead T | Quinnipiac University Connecticut

One of several polls out there with the same results.

Well, as Earl so accurately pointed out, nothing would change except you'd have a system in place where there would be a National Registry and bet your socks, they'd use that to come after your self-defense and hunting rights.

[Morden]

You act as if Sandy Hook and Colombine were daily occurences which they aren't.

Try as you may the list of gun slaughters is overwhelming , to put it kindly .

Actually what is overwhelming are crime rates in places like the UK where firesarms are next to imossible to procure.
An armed society is a far more polite society.

The real problem in the USA isn't the firearm, but how the violentcriminals and violent mentaly unstable are coddled by the system.
That's what you're background check fails to address and therefore would fail to accomplish squat!

Here we go again.

The issue is gun massacres in the US and ow to prevent to attempt to prevent them in the future. Attempts to make a comparison with general violent crimes in other countries are irrelevant.

The issue is people, the guns they are allowed to own and where and how they are permitted to use them.

An armed society is a far more polite society.



That's the funniest thing on this thread. 'Be polite or I'll shoot you'

Cripes, what a way to live your life!

[Mid]

^^^ post #242

And the murder figures themselves are astounding for Brits used to around 550 murders per year. In 2011 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,664 murders in the US. Of those, 8,583 were caused by firearms.

The FBI crime statistics are based on reports to FBI bureau and local law enforcement. The figures are not complete - there are no stats for Florida or Alabama on firearm murders. But even so it provides a detailed picture of attacks by state.

Gun crime statistics by US state: download the data. Visualised | World news | guardian.co.uk



BBC News - US gun debate: Guns in numbers




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[Mr Earl]

The sad part is that some people think that one massacre of schoolchildren is OK and needs no action. How many such incidents would it need before they felt it was time to act?

Trying to put words in my mouth is highly disingenous, isn't that what you accuse those of us who oppose weak knee jerk actions of?

Enforcing current background checks would be a far more effective measure than clamoring away about make new laws. Enforce the existing laws. Put violent wackos away and throw.away the key.
Sandy Hook happened because the current mental health standards are such that the shooters poor mother was unable to institutionalize her son.

Firearms are not the the real issue. Firearms are a convenient distraction preventing us from taking a really long hard look at what the problems really are.

[Morden]

The sad part is that some people think that one massacre of schoolchildren is OK and needs no action. How many such incidents would it need before they felt it was time to act?

Trying to put words in my mouth is highly disingenous, isn't that what you accuse those of us who oppose weak knee jerk actions of?

Enforcing current background checks would be a far more effective measure than clamoring away about make new laws. Enforce the existing laws. Put violent wackos away and throw.away the key.
Sandy Hook happened because the current mental health standards are such that the shooters poor mother was unable to institutionalize her son.

Firearms are not the the real issue. Firearms are a convenient distraction preventing us from taking a really long hard look at what the problems really are.

And evidently she didn't lock them away safely.

Firearms are part of the problem. You can't get away from that fact.

[Mr Earl]

You act as if Sandy Hook and Colombine were daily occurences which they aren't.

Try as you may the list of gun slaughters is overwhelming , to put it kindly .

Actually what is overwhelming are crime rates in places like the UK where firesarms are next to imossible to procure.
An armed society is a far more polite society.

The real problem in the USA isn't the firearm, but how the violentcriminals and violent mentaly unstable are coddled by the system.
That's what you're background check fails to address and therefore would fail to accomplish squat!

Here we go again.

The issue is gun massacres in the US and ow to prevent to attempt to prevent them in the future. Attempts to make a comparison with general violent crimes in other countries are irrelevant.

The issue is people, the guns they are allowed to own and where and how they are permitted to use them.

An armed society is a far more polite society.



That's the funniest thing on this thread. 'Be polite or I'll shoot you'

Cripes, what a way to live your life!

Crime is relevant. Most gun owners are not criminals.
The violent crime rate in the UK is five times that of the USA.
You are five times more likely to be a victim of crime in the UK, a defenseless victim to boot.

If that's acceptable to you; great for you and that kind of quality of life!

[Mid]

^

So now in a thread entitled

The Gun Issue thread

an attempt to side track the issue is launched

[slackula]

The violent crime rate in the UK is five times that of the USA.

That's a misleading statistic because some things that constitute a violent crime in the UK are not classed as such in the US. It's not an apples to apples comparison.

Here is a pretty good explanation of it:

Fact-Checking Ben Swann: Is the UK really 5 times more violent than the US? | The Skeptical Libertarian

The wiki page on violent crime also has some interesting info on why country to country comparisons are flawed.

Violent crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia