2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

**Boon Mee** · 21-01-2015, 02:36 PM

During a 1998 interview with the Sacramento Bee in which he discussed his work with Clinton on Watergate, Zeifman not only stated he hadn't fired her, but he didn't even have the authority to fire her:

If I had the power to fire her, I would have fired her
.
Ten years later, Zeifman's story had shifted. When asked by radio host Neal Boortz in April 2008 if he had fired Hillary Clinton from the Watergate investigation, Zeifman hedged by stating Clinton had been let go, but only as part of a layoff of multiple personnel who were no longer needed:

Well, let me put it this way. I terminated her, along with some other staff members who were — we no longer needed, and advised her that I would not — could not recommend her for any further positions.

snopes.com: Jerry Zeifman Fired Hillary Clinton from the Watergate Investigation?

OK, technically he didn't fire her but...#1, her boss said if he could have fired her, he would have &#2, he could not recommend her for any further positions.

Doesn't sound like a glowing recommendation to this objective poster.

snopes.com: Jerry Zeifman Fired Hillary Clinton from the Watergate Investigation?

**pseudolus** · 21-01-2015, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

OK, technically he didn't fire her but...#1, her boss said if he could have fired her, he would have , he could not recommend her for any further positions.

He might indeed have fired her, and then the huge juggernaut of death and threats that is Clinton Incorporate persuaded him it is better to change his story.

(oh and Snopes is a disinformation service funded by some very unethical characters).

**Boon Mee** · 21-01-2015, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

OK, technically he didn't fire her but...#1, her boss said if he could have fired her, he would have , he could not recommend her for any further positions.

He might indeed have fired her, and then the huge juggernaut of death and threats that is Clinton Incorporate persuaded him it is better to change his story.

(oh and Snopes is a disinformation service funded by some very unethical characters).

Yes, we know that Snopes is heavily left-wing but try and tell that to the 'usual suspects' aboard here?

**S Landreth** · 22-01-2015, 07:15 PM

As if there was ever any doubt,…….

Hillary is hiring John Podesta, and that's good for climate hawks

Tuesday brought news that John Podesta is going to take a high-level job in Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign after he leaves the administration in February. If there was any doubt about Clinton running, this leak puts it to rest. It might as well be an announcement.

To me this augurs well, in a number of ways. First, the biggest worry about Clinton is that she will reconstitute her dreadful ’08 campaign staff, symbolized by the omni-incompetent Mark Penn, a lumpen money pit who has unaccountably commanded the Clintons’ loyalty through decades of being terrible and wrong about everything. It’s very difficult for me to see the calm, competent Podesta hiring Penn or people like him.

Podesta’s got long history in Washington and most of it speaks well of him. He was by all accounts a shrewd chief of staff for Bill Clinton; he founded the Center for American Progress, which has been a huge success; and more recently he has been working inside the White House to encourage Obama to be bolder, which is paying dividends in a sustained burst of executive action from immigration to community college to paid work leave to climate change.

Speaking of that: Perhaps Podesta’s greatest recent achievement is to convince the White House to be bold on climate even in the face of Republican wins in the 2014 midterms. Ben Geman has a fantastic long-read on this in National Journal. Here’s a good bit:

“We laid out a lot in June of 2013, and John has been driving everybody … across the government to make sure that we are executing on that,” says Dan Utech, a senior White House climate policy aide. He credits Podesta with pushing forward the major pillars of the second-term plan, including the power-plant rules and a strategy on methane pollution, but says Podesta has gone further, too. “I think he said, ‘Look, the plan is great and that is job No. 1, but let’s look for ways to increase ambition, to do even more anywhere that we can do that.’ And so he really challenged everybody here at the White House who works on these issues, everybody across the Cabinet that has a part of these issues, to think about what are additional things we can do, what are ways we can either do additional policy steps from here or engage with the private sector.”

Utech … ticks off several examples of ways that Podesta has driven a muscular implementation of the June 2013 plan or gone beyond it. There’s the suite of commitments on solar power the White House secured in May, from affordable-housing providers as well as corporate behemoths such as Wal-Mart. And the “Climate Action Champions” competition to help as many as 15 tribal and local governments battle global warming.

Plus, Podesta’s fingerprints are on the White House push to emphasize what advocates say will be the large economic costs of failing to stem emissions. That effort has yielded a widely publicized “cost of inaction” report by the White House Council of Economic Advisers and, more recently, speeches by Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and White House budget chief Shaun Donovan.

“John has made those messages come to the fore because he has brought all of the administration together to understand the full breadth of the challenge,” EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy says.

Podesta made federal action on climate more cohesive and comprehensive than it’s ever been. And he did so at a moment when the White House easily could have gone the other way, opted for political safety and timidity.

To me, this was a key “decision point” (to use GW Bush’s term) of the Obama presidency — akin to when Nancy Pelosi persuaded Obama to continue the comprehensive healthcare push in the wake of Scott Brown’s victory. It’s a jolt when a jolt was needed.

So Podesta seems competent, liberal, and hawkish on climate change. Now he’s got Hillary Clinton’s ear. Seems like good news.

**Boon Mee** · 23-01-2015, 05:48 AM

Hillary Clinton Can’t Say How She Would Work With Congress Differently Than Obama

Any surprise there?

The State of the Union is always filled with an optimistic view of what the president wants to get done in the coming year. One of the things that is supposed to happen afterwards is relationship-building with Congress.

When Hillary Clinton was how she would work with Congress differently, she failed to give a response.

“Well, this is just a hypothetical question,” Clinton said.

She continued to answer the question by praising the work that Obama has done so far. She also briefly mentioned her concerns with Obama’s free community college idea and options that she would present.

John Podesta, former senior counsel to President Obama and now senior aide to Hillary Clinton, mentioned to Chris Matthews that Hillary Clinton is “going to stay very close with Obama,” and that it is going to be a “team effort.”

No mention about working with Congress.

Hillary Clinton Can?t Say How She Would Work With Congress Differently Than Obama | Washington Free Beacon

**S Landreth** · 23-01-2015, 05:51 AM

A new poll out and it doesn’t even rate Cruz or Walker. Maybe because those two are not worth polling?

Benghazi!

**Boon Mee** · 23-01-2015, 05:56 AM

Hillary Clinton Adviser Rips Obama: “He Hasn’t Gotten Shit Done”…

Well, don't expect the Hildebeast to 'get shit done' either. btw, tell us again what accomplishments the Hildebeast has performed at any juncture in her miserable life again?

[C]linton is not worried about being associated with Obama’s policies, associates say. Her challenge is to convince voters that, unlike Obama, she can deliver on her promises.

“He can blame Republicans and all sort of structural problems—and get sympathy from a lot of us,” said one associate who spoke on condition of anonymity so that she could channel Clinton’s thinking. “But voters don’t want to hear that. They want shit done. He hasn’t gotten shit done."

Here's How Hillary Clinton Will Distance Herself From Barack Obama - NationalJournal.com

**sabang** · 23-01-2015, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Hillary Clinton Can’t Say How She Would Work With Congress Differently Than Obama

And how well does a Republican opposition work with a Democrat President?

On November 14, major portions of the federal government suspended operations.[4] The Clinton administration later released figures detailing the costs of the shutdown, which included payments of approximately $400 million to furloughed federal employees who did not report to work.[6]
The first budget shutdown concluded with Congress enacting a temporary spending bill, but the underlying disagreement between Gingrich and Clinton was not resolved, leading to the second shutdown.
The second shutdown lasted 22 days as White House and Congressional negotiators worked out a balanced budget agreement that included modest spending cuts and tax increases.
United States federal government shutdowns of 1995 and 96 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There were no government shutdowns in the Bush years. Now Obama-

During the shutdown, approximately 800,000 federal employees were indefinitely furloughed, and another 1.3 million were required to report to work without known payment dates. Only those government services deemed "excepted" under the Antideficiency Act were continued; and only those employees deemed "excepted" continued to report to work.
United States federal government shutdown of 2013 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both Shutdowns were PR disasters for the GOP. Have they learnt their lesson?

WASHINGTON (AP) - In a House Republican majority often driven by the most conservative lawmakers, the pragmatists are suddenly demanding to be heard.
These lawmakers defected on an immigration vote last week, and this week they forced GOP leaders to water down abortion legislation. With the new, fully Republican-led Congress three weeks old, they are serving notice they will no longer keep quiet as their more ideological colleagues push legislation to the right, demand votes on social issues, or court government shutdowns to try to block President Barack Obama.
Under pressure to govern, divisions emerge among House GOP - FOX 10 News | fox10phoenix.com

Maybe- if the raving Teabaggers can be held in check, or preferably marginalised.

**S Landreth** · 28-01-2015, 05:16 AM

Just a short video (below, taken last weekend) of some of the GOP contenders who would like to challenge Mrs. Clinton in 2016.

Thank goodness neither Romeny nor Bush; who the teabaggers will be voting for, showed up at the event.

Benghazi!

**Boon Mee** · 28-01-2015, 05:59 AM

Why does Hillary Clinton hate America?

btw, she's gone MIA these days. Can't take the heat?

Hillary MIA...

Two public appearances in last 6 weeks...

Both on same day, in Canada...

**pseudolus** · 28-01-2015, 08:35 AM

Anyway... to quote Shillery, "what does it matter"?

Who ever spends the most money to win the election will win it. All of the stuff obomba continued was Bush will carry on with who ever is in next. Corporations and the elite will continues to amass huge amounts of money, hiding it away, prompting the Fed to create more money for them to pilfer and hide away. The poorer will get poorer. More people will be surplus to requirements in the job market and wiped off the slate to show unemployment is going down. Inflation will be used to trick people into believing that deficits are going down when in real terms they are exponentially getting higher. More wars, more people will die, more drone bombings, more regime changes, more funding of "friendly" terrorists. Nothing will change and will just accelerate.

So really "what does it matter"?

**Boon Mee** · 28-01-2015, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So really "what does it matter"?

Well, to some degree it does matter as we don't need another flaming socialist in Big White deciding what kind of Supreme Court we'll have down the road.

**pseudolus** · 28-01-2015, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So really "what does it matter"?

Well, to some degree it does matter as we don't need another flaming socialist in Big White deciding what kind of Supreme Court we'll have down the road.

obomba and shillery is no more liberal than all the right wing goppers. They are all the same.

**Boon Mee** · 28-01-2015, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So really "what does it matter"?

Well, to some degree it does matter as we don't need another flaming socialist in Big White deciding what kind of Supreme Court we'll have down the road.

obomba and shillery is no more liberal than all the right wing goppers. They are all the same.

Au contraire.

You'd never hear Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Jeb Bush (RINO), Scott Walker etc utter the words: "Haven't you made enough (money)" or: "You didn't build that"

**pseudolus** · 28-01-2015, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So really "what does it matter"?

Well, to some degree it does matter as we don't need another flaming socialist in Big White deciding what kind of Supreme Court we'll have down the road.

obomba and shillery is no more liberal than all the right wing goppers. They are all the same.

Au contraire.

You'd never hear Ted Cruz, Rick Perry, Jeb Bush (RINO), Scott Walker etc utter the words: "Haven't you made enough (money)" or: "You didn't build that"

obomba is just reading a script, but he does exactly the same as the republicans would do.

Nothing changes. All financed by big bankers or the companies that are in bed with big bankers. They all get more from the people and gift it to their backers.

Simple. So don't worry about it. What does it matter?

**Humbert** · 28-01-2015, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Au contraire.

Geez, you and Pseudo should get together. He's fluent in French too.

**Black Heart** · 28-01-2015, 11:21 AM

Hillary has been out of the media recently.

Health issues? Perhaps, not.

A strategy.

Hillary Clinton Has Been M.I.A. Lately -- And Here's Why - KMBZ

**pseudolus** · 28-01-2015, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Black Heart

Hillary has been out of the media recently.

Health issues? Perhaps, not.

A strategy.

Hillary Clinton Has Been M.I.A. Lately -- And Here's Why - KMBZ

Is it to stop questions about if billybob was banging underage girls with his mate?

**sabang** · 28-01-2015, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

we don't need another flaming Corporate socialist in Big White

Absolutely.

**helge** · 29-01-2015, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

we don't need another flaming Corporate socialist in Big White

Absolutely.

I just had a shock

**Boon Mee** · 30-01-2015, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

we don't need another flaming Corporate socialist in Big White

Absolutely.

I just had a shock

The original post was altered.

Flagrant violation of the rules I might add...

**Humbert** · 30-01-2015, 11:11 AM

Are you kidding Karl? The red meat crowd of your party will never accept the advice of a RINO like you.

Fox News contributor Karl Rove is warning Republicans that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton might be "happy" to get criticized over Benghazi, comparing it to how President Obama supposedly "loved" birther attacks. Rove's declaration comes after years of trying to use the 2012 attacks to bludgeon a potential Clinton presidential bid.

Karl Rove Compares Attacking Hillary Clinton Over Benghazi To Birtherism | Blog | Media Matters for America

**pseudolus** · 30-01-2015, 12:29 PM

Hillary Clinton undercut on Libya war by Pentagon and Congress, secret tapes reveal - Washington Times

Gadhafi’s son and heir apparent, Seif Gadhafi, told American officials in the secret conversations that he was worried Mrs. Clinton was using false pretenses to justify unseating his father and insisted that the regime had no intention of harming a mass of civilians. He compared Mrs. Clinton’s campaign for war to that of the George W. Bush administration’s now debunked weapons of mass destruction accusations, which were used to lobby Congress to invade Iraq, the tapes show.

Wooo hoo wave those flags boys. Clinton... Bush... obomba... no difference. THey do what they are told by the people who give them the money and the power.

Of course in the USA you do not even have to be president to ignore all advice, all efforts to resolve things peacefully to start a war and get your goons to murder a head of state.

Bet Billy loves the idea of getting back into the white white house.... all those interns...

**Boon Mee** · 30-01-2015, 12:31 PM

Ted Cruz

Big difference there, man

**pseudolus** · 30-01-2015, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Ted Cruz

Big difference there, man

Couldn't get the job unless he spent the most money. He won't get the most money without selling what is left of his morals to the same people that put Bush, Clinton, oboma into the hot seat.

He will be exactly the same.

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