2016 Democratic US Presidential Candidates

**Humbert** · 19-02-2013, 11:27 AM

^ He's a crackpot. He believes in organizations that don't exist. He is nothing but a failed optometrist.

Maddow blasts ‘space cadet’ Rand Paul’s conspiracy theories | The Raw Story

“‘It’ being Chuck Hagel’s imaginary connection to an imaginary organization that only exists on Breitbart.com’s server,” Maddow said, “and apparently in Rand Paul’s mind. That is who gets to vote to confirm the new Defense Secretary. He’s ‘very troubled’ by this terrorist organization that he heard about in a chat room somewhere.”
Raw Story (Maddow blasts ‘space cadet’ Rand Paul’s conspiracy theories | The Raw Story)

**barbaro** · 19-02-2013, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

^ He's a crackpot. He believes in organizations that don't exist. He is nothing but a failed optometrist.

Maddow blasts ‘space cadet’ Rand Paul’s conspiracy theories | The Raw Story

“‘It’ being Chuck Hagel’s imaginary connection to an imaginary organization that only exists on Breitbart.com’s server,” Maddow said, “and apparently in Rand Paul’s mind. That is who gets to vote to confirm the new Defense Secretary. He’s ‘very troubled’ by this terrorist organization that he heard about in a chat room somewhere.”
Raw Story (Maddow blasts ‘space cadet’ Rand Paul’s conspiracy theories | The Raw Story)

I'll add a little more. Ran Paul is sure not like his father. He does not seem very sharp. A member of the Senatorial 100 club that makes decisions that affect us - and this guy is that dumb?

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She pointed to a recent flap that had its origins at Breitbart.com, the charge that Sen. Chuck Hagel, President Barack Obama’s nominee for Secretary of Defense allegedly received donations from a group called “Friends of Hamas.”

As Slate columnist Dave Weigel pointed out, “Friends of Hamas” does not exist.
“Someone’s wrong on the Internet!” said Maddow. “Big whoop.”

Russia may have its crackpot meteor deniers, but here in the U.S., we have Sen. Rand Paul, who, sadly, is part of the process for choosing our next Secretary of Defense.

Paul gave an interview to radio talker Hugh Hewitt on Friday in which he said he’d seen the report about “Friends of Hamas” and found it “concerning.”
“I’m very troubled by it,” Paul said.

“‘It’ being Chuck Hagel’s imaginary connection to an imaginary organization that only exists on Breitbart.com’s server,” Maddow said, “and apparently in Rand Paul’s mind. That is who gets to vote to confirm the new Defense Secretary. He’s ‘very troubled’ by this terrorist organization that he heard about in a chat room somewhere.”

Raw Story (Maddow blasts ‘space cadet’ Rand Paul’s conspiracy theories | The Raw Story)

**Humbert** · 19-02-2013, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by barbaro

I'll add a little more. Ran Paul is sure not like his father. He does not seem very sharp. A member of the Senatorial 100 club that makes decisions that affect us - and this guy is that dumb?

In a word - yes. But he makes the base feel so damn good. I really hope they nominate somebody like him or Ted Cruz. It will be the final nail in the coffin for the GOP as a meaningful national party.

**barbaro** · 19-02-2013, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by barbaro

I'll add a little more. Ran Paul is sure not like his father. He does not seem very sharp. A member of the Senatorial 100 club that makes decisions that affect us - and this guy is that dumb?

In a word - yes. But he makes the base feel so damn good. I really hope they nominate somebody like him or Ted Cruz. It will be the final nail in the coffin for the GOP as a meaningful national party.

Ted Cruz has been in the Senate for a month and he's already making a buffoon of himself.

Only speaking for myself, if he loses credibility with me, he'll never get it back.

**Norton** · 19-02-2013, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by barbaro

Ted Cruz has been in the Senate for a month and he's already making a buffoon of himself.

More on that please? I took a look on his stance on issues. Most I would support. I don't get to see much live stuff. Maybe he's making buffonish statements.

**barbaro** · 19-02-2013, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by barbaro

Ted Cruz has been in the Senate for a month and he's already making a buffoon of himself.

More on that please? I took a look on his stance on issues. Most I would support. I don't get to see much live stuff. Maybe he's making buffonish statements.

I am referring to the things he said to Hagel in the Hagel hearings.

If I looked at his positions on many issues, I'd agree with him on most, IMO.

But he has made waaaay over the top statements regarding Hagel. And after being in the Senate for a month?

Is he an attention whore? I hope not.

**barbaro** · 19-02-2013, 11:17 PM

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Here is a perspective from Scarborough. I think Joe Scarborough is mostly a no talent hack, but I see it the way he does. Also add numb-nutz McCain who is not the sharpest too in the shed. The Surge, who cares.
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Joe Scarborough Calls John McCain And Ted Cruz 'Embarrassing' For 'Badgering' Chuck Hagel

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chuck...#ixzz2LMXvUUTB

Brett LoGiurato | Feb. 1, 2013, 10:40 AM

MSNBC
"Morning Joe" co-host Joe Scarborough on Friday slammed Republican Sens. John McCain and Ted Cruz, two of the Senators who had contentious exchanges with Secretary of Defense nominee Chuck Hagel during his confirmation hearing Thursday. Scarborough called McCain and Cruz's handling of their time questioning Hagel "embarrassing" and suggested that their performances would hurt the Republican Party's standing with middle America.

"I'm sorry, out of [McCain's] exchange, it was not Chuck Hagel who looked bad," Scarborough said, conceding that Hagel was ill-prepared for the hearing.

"He wasn't prepared in a lot of ways that were concerning," Scarborough said. "But if the Republican Party thinks badgering an ill-prepared witness that way is going to help them with middle America, they don’t know middle America. They could have just let him talk around in circles, but it was ... it was embarrassing."

McCain and Hagel tangled over Hagel's opposition to the 2007 Iraq War troop surge, which Hagel opposed vehemently. McCain demanded a "yes or no" answer to the question of whether Hagel was wrong about the effectiveness of the surge.
Cruz, meanwhile, grilled Hagel over call-in interviews with Al Jazeera, attempting to paint Hagel as someone who agreed with callers' sentiments that Israel had committed "war crimes" in Lebanon and the U.S. is "the world's bully."

The Cruz plays the "military vs. anti-military" card.
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Chicken Hawk Ted Cruz Smears Kerry and Hagel

Patrick Caldwell
January 26, 2013
The Texas Tea Partier accuses the two veterans of being anti-military.

Cruz appeared in Washington, D.C., at a forum hosted by the National Review Institute, the non-profit arm of the conservative magazine. "We've got two pending nominations, John Kerry and Chuck Hagel. Both of whom are very prominently [pause] less than ardent fans of the U.S. military," Cruz said to chuckles from the crowd.

http://prospect.org/article/chicken-...erry-and-hagel

Scarborough link:

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/chuck...#ixzz2LMY0c9Ad

**Humbert** · 20-02-2013, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

More on that please? I took a look on his stance on issues. Most I would support.

-Accused Hagel of taking funds from North Korea without evidence.
-Against women's right to choose.
-Anti-UN
-Anti-Obamacare
-Climate change denier

A teabagger to the core.

**Norton** · 20-02-2013, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

-Accused Hagel of taking funds from North Korea without evidence.

Originally Posted by barbaro

Is he an attention whore?

Yes. He as well as the rest appearing in this media Circus. Find a trivial "attack issue" then bore in. Makes no difference if the issue is based on a statement taken out of context, a fabrication or completely irrelevant to the nominees qualification for the cabinet post. Watching the vid, I conclude Cruz is acting a buffoon. Sadly he's but one of a pack of buffoons whose main objective is to oppose anything and everything Obama supports. Objectivity and intelligent debate is beyond their capability and compromise no matter how small is unthinkable.

Originally Posted by barbaro

"We've got two pending nominations, John Kerry and Chuck Hagel. Both of whom are very prominently [pause] less than ardent fans of the U.S. military," Cruz said to chuckles from the crowd.

A perfect example. Reading this, all I can do is

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

An anti-obamcare individual makes one a Patriot btw

Speaking of patriots, I submit a man who served with honor in military, built a successful business, served in the Senate for 2 terms and now ready to serve as Sec Def and face the opposition buffoons of the Circus de D.C is by any measure far more a Patriot than the buffoons attempting to question his patriotism.

**Boon Mee** · 20-02-2013, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Speaking of patriots, I submit a man who served with honor in military, built a successful business, served in the Senate for 2 terms and now ready to serve as Sec Def and face the opposition buffoons of the Circus de D.C is by any measure far more a Patriot than the buffoons attempting to question his patriotism.

That's all well fine and good there Norton but the man is also a foe of Israel. Somewhere along the line he was brain-washed into thinking that those evil Jooos are committing apartheid when in reality, they just don't want to be blown up.

**Norton** · 20-02-2013, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

That's all well fine and good there Norton but the man is also a foe of Israel.

Really!
He has always voted for US "aid" to Israel.
He made this statement regarding the Israeli lobby in US. "The Jewish Lobby intimidates a lot of people on Capitol Hill and I’m not an Israeli senator. I’m a United States senator." I give him a gold star for the statement.

So what other heinous acts make him an "enemy" of Israel? Must be his silly idea of negotiating with Iran vs the so far complete failure of sanctioning the crap out of them.

**sabang** · 20-02-2013, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Using the term 'teabagger,' you've lost all credibility.

And what about using using the term 'libtard'?

It's really not worth this thread being degraded from a Hillary Clinton to a [ted cruz] thread. One is the recent Secretary of State, and a very serious contender for the next Potus. The other is a junior first term Senator, off to a very bad start- he even made his own party cringe.

And calling Chuck Hagel an anti-semite is beneath contemptible, not that it matters- when the term is thrown around these days, it reveals much more about the mudslinger than anything else.

**Norton** · 20-02-2013, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Benghazie-Gate is just starting to unravel. There's been a huge coverup of who, what & why and guess what? The Hildebeast is right at the center of the whole mess.

I don't know who is at the center of it but a whole lot needs to be known to find out what went wrong and who screwed up.

If Hillary was not informed of the "known" threat then she should have been. If she wasn't aware then there is a failure in delegation of responsibility/authority in the state department which needs to be corrected. If she was informed and failed to take appropriate steps to protect the facility then she has much to answer for.

**Humbert** · 20-02-2013, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

And calling Chuck Hagel an anti-semite is beneath contemptible

Seems that he did not adopt an acceptable level of groveling to the nation of Israel. Since when did catering to the concerns of Israel come above those of the US?

**Humbert** · 20-02-2013, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

If Hillary was not informed of the "known" threat then she should have been. If she wasn't aware then there is a failure in delegation of responsibility/authority in the state department which needs to be corrected. If she was informed and failed to take appropriate steps to protect the facility then she has much to answer for.

Ultimately, the responsibility lies with Chris Stevens himself. He made the decision to travel to Benghazi that day knowing full well that the security situation there was unraveling.

**Norton** · 20-02-2013, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Ultimately, the responsibility lies with Chris Stevens himself. He made the decision to travel to Benghazi that day knowing full well that the security situation there was unraveling.

He and security teams assigned to protect him did know. They requested assets to decrease the risk of exactly what happened. The request was for a C130 so security teams and equipment could be quickly moved to provide proper security.

The request was turned down by State.

Chris Stevens had a job to do so of course he had to travel in spite of the threat.

**Boon Mee** · 20-02-2013, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

So what other heinous acts make him an "enemy" of Israel? Must be his silly idea of negotiating with Iran vs the so far complete failure of sanctioning the crap out of them.

His public statements w/regard to Israel becoming an apartheid state. While not exactly 'heinous', taken in whole, his attitude is less than positive towards the only democracy in the ME.

**Boon Mee** · 20-02-2013, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Chris Stevens had a job to do so of course he had to travel in spite of the threat.

Which means, bottom line, the ultimate responsibility lays with the Hildebeast for which she did declare.

Squeaked out of it though with the infamous line: "What does it matter"

Real nice, huh?

**Humbert** · 20-02-2013, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Norton

Chris Stevens had a job to do so of course he had to travel in spite of the threat.

Which means, bottom line, the ultimate responsibility lays with the Hildebeast for which she did declare.

Squeaked out of it though with the infamous line: "What does it matter"

Real nice, huh?

A US Ambassador has a tremendous amount of autonomy. They don't go running to the Sec of State for approval every time they schedule a risky trip. She did accept ultimate responsibility but the situational awareness was Steven's responsibility. He knew the risk he was taking despite being denied additional security at a level below Clinton.

**sabang** · 20-02-2013, 12:06 PM

Benghazigate is dead in the water, and I daresay the right didn't help it's cause one iota by flying off into all sorts of lurid conspiracy and coverup theories before the initial facts were even ascertained. Bottom line is, the public lost interest. Whatever may sink the SS Hillary, I very much doubt it will be that.

A word to the hotheads of the right. Revenge is a dish best served cold.

**Norton** · 20-02-2013, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Whatever may sink the SS Hillary, I very much doubt it will be that.

Yep. If SS Hillary is sunk will be from within via a campaign of over confidence.

**pseudolus** · 22-02-2013, 02:22 PM

The old dyke should be in Jail and not the President.

"Hillary Clinton. She is the most popular woman in the world, according to polls. If she wants the presidency, the media tells us, it is hers. Yet, what do the Wikileaks documents which whistleblower Bradley Manning released show us? They show us she is not fit to be president and rather than being admired, she should be prosecuted. That will sound extreme to the ears of Americans who have had the truth hidden from them, but it is a factual statement.

The United States houses the United Nations. This gives the US great opportunity to spy on UN diplomats when they come to New York for meetings. It is against the law to spy on diplomats when they come to such meetings. But, the Wikileaks documents show that in 2009 Hillary Clinton ordered that foreign diplomats be spied on. She even ordered US diplomats to obtain DNA data, biometric data, iris scans and fingerprints as well as credit card and frequent flier numbers and so much more. Her orders, sent to 30 embassies, were fulfilling the request of the CIA for all sorts of information. The General Secretary, Ban Kai Moon (who was also spied on) called Clinton in for a meeting about this violation of law. Did this get any media attention in the US? Were there calls for an investigation or a special prosecutor? No. Inside the US Empire there was silence from the mass media and political elite.

When the Arab Spring in Egypt was on the verge of success, what role did Clinton play? She urged support for Omar Suleiman. Then Manning’s Wikileaks documents exposed who Suleiman was. Suleiman was the man who did the dirty work for the authoritarian dictator of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak. Not only did he do Mubarak’s dirty work, but he was the go-to guy for Israel in dealing with Egypt, making all sorts of dealsthat allowed the abuse of Palestinians. He was the one who did the dirty work for the US Empire. He was the CIA liaison for the source of the misinformation campaign on WMDs in Iraq and people targeted by the US were renditioned to the torturous abuse of Omar Suleiman. But Clinton, who certainly knew all this, called on Suleiman to investigate Egypt’s violence and thought he’d be the perfect replacement for Mubarak. When this all came out in Egypt, not much was said about it in the US but Clinton’s pick, Suleiman, was no longer a viable candidate.

Clinton announced last week that she will be doing public speaking after she rests from her arduous job as Secretary of State. No doubt she will reap the pay-off for her years of hard work for the transnational corporations for whom US foreign policy is designed. The Wikileaks documents again show the truth of that fact. Of course, the American people are told we go to war for democracy, protection of human rights and the rights of woman in Afghanistan. Sadly, the mass media says these things over and over so Americans learn to believe them, even though the Wikileaks documents show US foreign policy is of, by and for big corporations."

**pseudolus** · 22-02-2013, 04:27 PM

No I haven't - I put a quotation mark so get off your high horse.

One Thousand Days When One is Too Many by Kevin B. Zeese -- Antiwar.com

My word - you would rather have my post deleted that have words posted that show what a corrupt criminal Clinton is (just like her husband). Bet you think Bradly Manning deserves to have spent the last 1000 days in jail with no court appearance for outing the slag.

oh and I suggest you actually read the recent leaks attributable to Clinton - mid 2009. Was Rice still there then? ,,,,,, no.

"documents show that in 2009 Hillary Clinton ordered that foreign diplomats be spied on. She even ordered US diplomats to obtain DNA data, biometric data, iris scans and fingerprints as well as credit card and frequent flier numbers and so much more. Her order..."

**misskit** · 22-02-2013, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

No I haven't - I put a quotation mark so get off your high horse.

One Thousand Days When One is Too Many by Kevin B. Zeese -- Antiwar.com

My word - you would rather have my post deleted that have words posted that show what a corrupt criminal Clinton is (just like her husband). Bet you think Bradly Manning deserves to have spent the last 1000 days in jail with no court appearance for outing the slag.

oh and I suggest you actually read the recent leaks attributable to Clinton - mid 2009. Was Rice still there then? ,,,,,, no.

"documents show that in 2009 Hillary Clinton ordered that foreign diplomats be spied on. She even ordered US diplomats to obtain DNA data, biometric data, iris scans and fingerprints as well as credit card and frequent flier numbers and so much more. Her order..."

No, would just rather you knew the rules and go by them the same as the rest of us.

No, I don't think Bradly Manning is treated fairly but to say he is kept confined because he "outed the slag" requires some proof.

Rice wasn't there in 2009 but the leaks regarding spying started before she left. It is reported that all cables coming from the State Department bears the name of the head as it has been reported the leaked memos originated at the CIA. To say that Clinton had direct knowledge is assuming a bit much.

If this spying was so bad, why has there not been an outcry from the UN? Because the know they are spied on and expect it.

**pseudolus** · 22-02-2013, 06:14 PM

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh I love it when someone who has not actually read the leak itself bases their opinion of the facts of the matter upon main stream media, who are trying to crown Clinton already.

Well.....

Cable Viewer

"FM SECSTATE WASHDC"
ORIGIN - SECRETARY OF STATE.
Date - JUL 09
At that time, it was Clinton.

You will also see that is replaces / supersedes another done before, notably Rice's effort in 2004.

So, to play by the rules, I would like to see the sources that you have for your assertion that she is innocent and that it was Rice's fault. Will be interesting to see if you try to present a main stream media's opinion above the actual document.

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