Thread: "support the troops"

I'm beginning to see that the weak spot in the ZOG of the US is the military. We need to start sending the military psersonnel personal letters explaining to them what's going on and encourage them to revolt against the illegal war and fight our domestic enemies. We could take back our country with the military behind us. I wonder if their mail is censored like the internet is.

Originally Posted by stroller

This may well explain your complete lack of consideration and compassion for those who face mortal danger on a daily level over there.

perhaps. but why not look take a closer look at what you've pointed out.

don't you think it odd that i don't know a single person who has served in iraq. do any of the regular posters on this board know anyone who is serving or has served in iraq?
it could be argued that the reason the american public doesn't care about the 3500 dead american troops because they don't know any of them. if there was a draft or compulsory military service, then perhaps the american public would view the foriegn policy of their nation with more interest. in the meantime, "it's just another poor kid who i don't know who got killed in on the other side of the world. give me another whopper--with cheese."

if AQ were to implement what i lmentioned in my earlier posts, then i truly believe that the american public would be forced to pay attention, and i think, demand a speedy withdrawal.....and maybe that's why they haven't done it already. they know they've already won, and they're just killing americans while they wait for the chaos that comes with the withdrawal....and IMO that chaos will come no matter when the withdrawal takes place...next week, next month, next year, next decade.

Originally Posted by stroller

But it doesn't explain your bizarre stance of advocating further beheadings

of course it doesn't explain it. my post explains it.....if 5 americans die in a horrific, well-publicized spectacle, then thousands of iraqis might live. i'll take that deal every day of every week....even if i knew the US soldiers in question. i have to wonder why you wouldn't take that deal.

Originally Posted by stroller

that is just completely misguided politics which puts you in the intellectual proximity of AQ and friends

simply becuase you disagree, doesn't make my post or opinion misguided....and please explain how that opinion puts me 'in the intellectual proximity of AQ and friends'. that's a very FOX news-esque attack.

Originally Posted by stroller

You've done a neat job of finally exposing your true colours.

finally? i've put forth the very same idea since i first started posting on TD.

i stand by what i posted....so yes, i suppose they are my 'true colors'.

Originally Posted by raycarey

my post explains it.....if 5 americans die in a horrific, well-publicized spectacle, then thousands of iraqis might live. i'll take that deal every day of every week....even if i knew the US soldiers in question. i have to wonder why you wouldn't take that deal.

It is not a "deal", it is pure speculation on your part, a thin veil of rationality disguising your indulgence in beheading phantasies, probably a mixture of an underlying ill-will and disregard for human dignity, and the wish to provoke and cause controversy.

Originally Posted by raycarey

and please explain how that opinion puts me 'in the intellectual proximity of AQ and friends'. that's a very FOX news-esque attack.

Does it need explaining? Terrorism, including beheadings, have been a major tactic employed to discourage and defeat the invaders.
Fox news, me? - strawman.

Originally Posted by raycarey

finally? i've put forth the very same idea since i first started posting on TD.

Not quite.
Your comments were ambiguous before, and recently have become more explicit and direct.

Very disappointing, you've lost a lot of credibility in my eyes. Not that I expect this to matter much to you.

Originally Posted by stroller

You've done a neat job of finally exposing your true colours.

Absolutely.
While ray might attempt to rationalize his position on beheadings and the draft, it doesn't take away from the fact he loathes the military like a true secular-progressive. If he cared about the troops one iota, he'd be exhibiting that compassion in another form.

Not sure what this has to do with "secular-progressives"?
I loathe 'the troops' and war as well, but that doesn't mean I wish for more beheadings, nor does it prevent me from sympathising with individuals involved on either side of a war.

My best friend since twelve had a brother that did two tours in Iraq.

He graduated from University, and a few years later joined the Army.

He was so disillusioned by the motivations, and what went on in Iraq (I didn't ask him for details) that he ended his Army career. He left the Army and returned to his hometown.

My point in part is, I assume most Americans in the military do not want to be there. Or maybe, 30, 35, 40, 45% or 55% don't want to be there because they don't believe in it. (I've forgot the recent polling numbers.)

But....they are.....there..

This is what disgusts me.

I agree with Raycarey for the high-most part.

I am tired of people saying: "I just did what I was told. I had not choice."

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Well, boys, believe it or not, there are a significant number of folks in the Army & Marine Corp who genuinely want to be over in Afganistan and Iraq. I've seen this first hand after staying with some friends in Leeville, LA (home of Fort Polk) and anacdotal accounts from a friend who attends West Point.

If you stay within your safe TEFL'er world or similar existence, you might not comprehend...

Sorry,

but the poll results for the American public and world public are overwhelming in disfavor of the U.S. campaign in Iraq, and EFL is not statistically valid in these studies.

And, as for the folks that want to be in Iraq, they are a little....biased.

This is the job. Livelihood. Psychological identity. Ego.

And....they don't have much choice.


What is their knowledge level?

Likely low.

Do the speak the local language? Know the history?

Statistically they don't.

They are trash.

The bottom feeders of society.

Nobody cares about these people except for the family and close friends.

They are losers.

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Again...you are wrong.

Have you personally met with any of these so-called 'bottem feeders' or 'trash' as you call them?

No difference between you and raycarey - both pseudo-elitiests w/out a clue...

"Military men are "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy."

Zionist and dual Israel/US citizen Henry Kissinger

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Yeah, Dwight Eisenhower, McArthur, Patton were real dumb...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

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Again...you are wrong.

Have you personally met with any of these so-called 'bottem feeders' or 'trash' as you call them?

Met them?

Yes. Some of my family members were in the armed forces. Friends also.

My hometown has 3 major military bases. And the largest dry-dock in the world in the civilian shipyard.

Yes, I made a very big generalization (but there is a reason for it, that I'll explain in a moment).

Firstly, the military has millions of people in it, and that formerly were in it. There is a huge variety of folks in the military from many geographical regions and backgrounds, and different goals both short and long-term. But they are....Americans.

My comments of negativity are to those in the military and civilian, that rushed into Iraq, destroyed the place, with complete ignorance and arrogance, and a lack of historical knowledge nor cultural understanding.

I feel the same way about the many civilians in the U.S.

The civilians are arrogant, ignorant, trash.

Originally Posted by raycarey

it's madness all of it. but i believe that the brutal (yet quick) deaths of the five hypothetical american soldiers would bring about a more speedy withdrawl.

Pure speculation, no beheading has made a difference to troop levels so far. As I said in the deleted thread, it's pretty low and disgusting to propose the violent deaths of these soldiers in an imaginary scenario based solely on your political stance.
It puts you alongside the fanatics who kill and maim in the service of some idea.
Shame on you!

Originally Posted by raycarey

and please address the point i brought up earlier....don't you find it strange that while the US govt. claims we are in a 'war of civilizations' and the 'enemy' wants to 'take away our way of life'....i don't know a single person who has served in this iraq war.

Well, that is strange, even I know people who were or are in Iraq, not necessarily as part of the military. Our member Bbigman is there now, for example, an expat from bkk (who I didn't know personally) was one of the beheading victims - it's not an abstract or video - game for me.

Originally Posted by raycarey

to most ameiricans the war in iraq is a video game. currently nobody pays attention if soldiers die....it's not even front page news. in the eyes of US govt and public, these people are expendable.

I don't know about "most Americans", but I share the negative view towards the US gov. Seems to me you are one of those who see this as some sick game, if you propose public beheadings on video is the way to go - you're a sick puppy.
You need to acknowledge your anger and hatred and get over it, dude.

Originally Posted by stroller

it's pretty low and disgusting to propose the violent deaths of these soldiers in an imaginary scenario based solely on your political stance.

i disagree.

Originally Posted by stroller

It puts you alongside the fanatics who kill and maim in the service of some idea. Shame on you!

no it doesn't....it's a hypothetical that i think could lessen the suffering.... and if anyone should be ashamed, it is you for comparing me to 'AQ and friends'.

Originally Posted by stroller

I know people who were or are in Iraq, not necessarily as part of the military. Our member Bbigman is there now, for example, an expat from bkk (who I didn't know personally) was one of the beheading victims

i don't even have the slightest bit of sympathy for these guys....they deserve everything they get. it's a shame for their families, but these guys are mercenaries, pure and simple.

Originally Posted by stroller

You need to acknowledge your anger and hatred and get over it, dude.

get over it, huh? yeah, i suppose i should spend more time keeping up to date on the exploits of paris hilton.

Originally Posted by raycarey

and if anyone should be ashamed, it is you for comparing me to 'AQ and friends'.

You are advocating the most atrocious of tactics employed by Al Zarquavi & Co in Iraq, rationalising this with the hypothetical notion of a quick end to the war. Not in an angry outburst or reaction to some comments here, but you are presenting this in a cool, contemplated fashion.
If that isn't "intellectual proximity", I don't know what would be.

The only thing shameful here is your attitude!

Being a pacifist I have more respect for a man stands in front of another man before cutting their head off than one who blows people to bits by releasing a cargo of cluster bomns onto a village.

Originally Posted by stroller

if you propose public beheadings on video is the way to go - you're a sick puppy.

You are being way too charitable, stroll...

Originally Posted by sabang

Iy is impossible for me to morally seperate someone who volitionally beheads an enemy and someone who willingly participated in the massacre in Falluja.

or anyone involved in the production and/or use of cluster bombs.

why does everyone get their knickers in a twist about beheading? yeah, it's horrible, but why is their such a hysterical, knee-knocking reaction? explain to me how this is worse than the weapons and tactics used by the US.