Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by terry57

...its insanity to think the USA Government could actually pull off a crime of that level and it to remain secret all these years later.

Many people would of needed to be in on the gig and humans being humans the gig would of been out by now.

Absolutely! Look how quickly the story of Osama's take out mission came out and those were sworn secret military... There was a movie less then a year after the mission. Think of the profit to be made if there was even 1 person who could make that claim and prove it and there would be far more than one...

There's already movies out about 9/11, but they mean no more than movies about OB laden's alleged take out by US SEALS, most of whom got killed a little later in an unsatisfactorily explained aircrash.

Now just have a look at how quickly the inside job scenario leaked out on 9/11!

Immediately Bush couldn't handle the secret and freaks when asked where the airliner disappeared to and squawked,"It vapourized!"

Chenney bumbled out, "a missile struck the Pentagon" and "the plane that was shot down over Ohio."

While Silverstein bleats that he gave the order to "pull" WTC7!

Nobody really needed a movie to explain it from day one!!

I see you failed to grasp the obvious once again... Even when spelled out in perfect clarity..

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Don't know and I didn't want to point fingers but point out that one side seems to be putting forward rational and well thought out points of view and the other side is sticking their tongues out and call them names

Now.. I don't know what happened that day

I do however see some things that do not add up to me

That places me in the nutty camp, ridiculed by the followers of the official line.

There can be no debating with them, cause they know if they compromise on even the smallest detail, their house of cards will tremble

It's religion, man

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Up to you if you believe it.

I don't. What about the families that received the calls and spoke to there loved ones in real time. ?

First look at the mythical phone calls from AA Flt 77, alleged to have been seen at the Pentagon.

Only two people are supposed to have called from that flight.


a) Barbara Olson, wife of Ted Olson US Solicitor General


b) Flight attendant Renee May



a) Barbara Olson.

*Did American Airlines 77-have onboard phones? "

*"Ted Olson, who was then the US Solicitor General, claimed that his wife, Barbara Olson, called him twice from this flight using an onboard phone."

Then later, he changed his story;

*"Ted Olson said that his wife “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77."

And again..
*"But on September 14, Olson said that she had called collect and therefore must have been using the “airplane phone”---because, he surmised, “she somehow didn’t have access to her credit cards.” "

*"and later that same day, however, Olson returned to his first version."


*"After saying that the second call from her suddenly went dead, he surmised that this was perhaps “because the signals from cell phones coming from airplanes don’t work that well.” "



*"The claim that she must have called collect because she did not have her credit card, however, does not make any sense, because a credit card is needed in order to activate a passenger-seat phone."

*"If she did not have a credit card, therefore, she could not have used a passenger-seat phone, whether to call collect or otherwise."





He was telling big lies.



*"Her reported calls could not have been made on a cell phone, given the cell phone technology in 2001. Cell phone calls from an airliner were..generally possible only if it was flying slowly and low."
*"Barbara Olson’s (alleged) first call, according to the 9/11 Commission, occurred “between 9:16 and 9:26,”11 when the plane was flying too fast and too high for cell phone calls to have been possible."

*"According to the Flight Data Recorder information released by the National Transportation Safety Board, the plane at 9:16 would have been over 25,000 feet, which is far too high (as well as too fast: 281 knots [324 mph]), while at 9:26 the plane would have been flying at 324 knots (370 mph), which is much too fast (as well as still too high: almost 14,000 feet).
"



Flight attendant Renee May

"At 09:12, flight attendant Renee May called her mother, Nancy May, in Las Vegas. During the call, which lasted nearly two minutes, May said her flight was being hijacked by six persons, and staff and passengers had been moved to the rear of the airplane. May asked her mother to contact American Airlines, which she and her husband promptly did."
American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Again impossible for the same reasons outlined above by the 9/11 Commission and the National Transport Safety Board (NTSB).


All passages marked (*) excerpted and edited by me from;
An Analysis of New Evidence...

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by ENT

Since you know so much, tell us how many firefighters witnessed explosions at the WTC on 9/11.

No theories.

Dun know ENT. How many ?

Here's a list of 503 firefighters testimonies, many of them describe explosions coming from the WTC buildings on 9/11. I hope you've got reading skills that are better than your spelling and social attitude.

Enjoy.


Oral Histories From Sept. 11 Compiled by the New York Fire Department - The New York Times


You can read some witness accounts of explosions here;

Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories - 911Truth.org

But for starters;

Flashes: Another common feature of controlled demolitions is that people who are properly situated may see flashes when the explosives go off. Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: “I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . Lieutenant Evangelista . . . asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw.”36

Flashes were reported in the north tower by Captain Karin Deshore, who said: “Somewhere around the middle of the World Trade Center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash.”37

Demolition Rings: At this point, Deshore’s account moved to another standard phenomenon seen by those who watch controlled demolitions: explosion rings, in which a series of explosions runs rapidly around a building. Deshore’s next words were: “Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building.”38

An explosion ring (or belt) was also described by firefighter Richard Banaciski. Speaking of the south tower, he said: “[T]here was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”39

A description of what appeared to be a ring of explosions was also given by Deputy Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick, who said: “We looked up at the [south tower] . . . . All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up . . . . It looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. . . . My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.”40

Horizontal Ejections: Another feature of controlled demolition, at least when quite powerful explosives are used, is that things are ejected horizontally from the floors on which the explosions occur. Such ejections were mentioned in the testimony of Chief Frank Cruthers above. Similarly, Captain Jay Swithers said: “I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn’t see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion.”41

Firefighter James Curran said: “When I got underneath the north bridge I looked back and . . . I heard like every floor went chu-chu-chu. Looked back and from the pressure everything was getting blown out of the floors before it actually collapsed.”42

Battalion Chief Brian Dixon said: “I was . . . hearing a noise and looking up. . . . [T]he lowest floor of fire in the south tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because . . . everything blew out on the one floor. I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.”43

These reports by Curran and Dixon conform to what can be seen by looking at photographs and videos of the collapses, which show that various materials, including sections of steel and aluminum, were blown out hundreds of feet.44 Such powerful ejections of materials are exactly what would be expected from explosions powerful enough to cause such huge buildings to collapse.

Dust Clouds: The most visible material ejected horizontally from buildings during controlled demolition, especially buildings with lots of concrete, is dust, which forms more or less expansive dust clouds. Some of the testimonies about the collapse of the south tower mention that it produced an enormous amount of dust, which formed clouds so big and thick that they blocked out all light.

Firefighter Stephen Viola said: “You heard like loud booms . . . and then we got covered with rubble and dust, and I thought we’d actually fallen through the floor . . . because it was so dark you couldn’t see anything.”45

Firefighter Angel Rivera said: “That’s when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. . . . The wind rushed. . . , all the dust. . . and everything went dark.”46

Lieutenant William Wall said: “[W]e heard an explosion. We looked up and the building was coming down right on top of us. . . . We ran a little bit and then we were overtaken by the cloud.”47

Paramedic Louis Cook said that after the debris started falling, “everything went black” and “you couldn’t breathe because [of] all the dust. There was just an incredible amount of dust and smoke.” He then found that there was, “without exaggerating, a foot and a half of dust on [his] car.”48

The kind of dust clouds typically produced during a controlled demolition can be seen on videos of the demolition of Seattle’s Kingdome and the Reading Grain Facility.49 If these videos are then compared with photos and videos of the collapses of the Twin Towers,50 it can be seen that the dust clouds in the latter are even bigger.51

Timed or Synchronized Explosions: Some people said that the collapses had the appearance of timed, synchronized demolitions. Battalion Chief Dominick DeRubbio, speaking of the collapse of the south tower, said: “It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion.”52

Firefighter Kenneth Rogers said: “[T]here was an explosion in the south tower. . . . I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in ’93.”53

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Don't know and I didn't want to point fingers but point out that one side seems to be putting forward rational and well thought out points of view and the other side is sticking their tongues out and call them names

Now.. I don't know what happened that day

I do however see some things that do not add up to me

That places me in the nutty camp, ridiculed by the followers of the official line.

There can be no debating with them, cause they know if they compromise on even the smallest detail, their house of cards will tremble

It's religion, man

No that's not how it works, we are the ones that understand and grasp the logic and sensibility of the official explanations presented not because they're "official" but because they are sensible and logical in the face of opposing nonsense and inexplicable conspiracy theories with none of what makes them plausible..

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Don't know and I didn't want to point fingers but point out that one side seems to be putting forward rational and well thought out points of view and the other side is sticking their tongues out and call them names

Now.. I don't know what happened that day

I do however see some things that do not add up to me

That places me in the nutty camp, ridiculed by the followers of the official line.

There can be no debating with them, cause they know if they compromise on even the smallest detail, their house of cards will tremble

It's religion, man

No that's not how it works, we are the ones that understand and grasp the logic and sensibility of the official explanations presented not because they're "official" but because they are sensible and logical in the face of opposing nonsense and inexplicable conspiracy theories with none of what makes them plausible..

No Florida, sellout muggy SHILLS like you and toni are sniffed out a mile away here.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by FloridaBorn

Originally Posted by helge

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Don't know and I didn't want to point fingers but point out that one side seems to be putting forward rational and well thought out points of view and the other side is sticking their tongues out and call them names

Now.. I don't know what happened that day

I do however see some things that do not add up to me

That places me in the nutty camp, ridiculed by the followers of the official line.

There can be no debating with them, cause they know if they compromise on even the smallest detail, their house of cards will tremble

It's religion, man

No that's not how it works, we are the ones that understand and grasp the logic and sensibility of the official explanations presented not because they're "official" but because they are sensible and logical in the face of opposing nonsense and inexplicable conspiracy theories with none of what makes them plausible..

No Florida, sellout muggy SHILLS like you and toni are sniffed out a mile away here.

I wondered what that brown mark was on those noses?? Here, sniff this!!!

AA Flt 77.

Why wasn't Hanni Hanjour's name on the passenger list?



Hanni Hanjour going through security 9/11, cleared by x-ray and security interview.

Hijacker Hani Hanjour, center foreground, believed to have piloted American Airlines Flight 77 when it crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, is shown on surveillance video passing through the security checkpoint at Dulles International Airport Sept. 11, 2001 in this image taken from a surveillance vidoe and obtained by the Associated Press. Hanjour sent two carry-on bags through the X-ray machine and passed through a metal detector without alarm. (Associated Press) Jul 21, 2004




Another Hani Hanjour going through security, this one in a white shirt.^



The real Hani Hanjour.# 1





The real Hani Hanjour.# 2

How was the US gov. able to say that he was the hijack pilot when they clearly mis-identified two different men as Hani Hanjour?




Why was this man named as one of the alleged hijackers' not named on AA Flt 77 passenger list?

"I want to think all this is a mistake," said a bewildered Khalid al-Mihammadi, 24, a computer programmer from Mecca who was named wrongfully in an early list of hijackers released by the U.S. Justice Department. "We are America's friends, and they do this to us. It isn't fair."

"Al-Mihammadi, who spent nine months studying English in the U.S., said he was watching television at home when shaken friends saw his photograph on the news and began to call to see if he was still alive." [Chicago Tribune]


Another alleged hijacker still alive.

"The real Salem Al-Hazmi, however, is alive and indignant in Saudi Arabia, and not one of the people who perished in the American Airlines flight that crashed on the Pentagon. He works at a government-owned petroleum and chemical plant in the city of Yanbu. He said yesterday he had not left Saudi Arabia for two years, but that his passport had been stolen by a pickpocket in Cairo three years ago. "[Guardian]


And another AA Flt 77 alleged hijacker, Majed Moqed;

"A "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia Student Identity Card" was found in the rubble at the Pentagon with Moqed's name on it. Forensic examination indicated that it may have been fraudulent.
[9/11 Commission]
http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_...rrTrav_Ch2.pdf


One more;

"4. Nawaf Alhazmi: Possible Saudi national, possible resident of Fort Lee, N.J.; Wayne, N.J.; San Diego, Calif. Aliases: Nawaf Al-Hazmi; Nawaf Al Hazmi; Nawaf M.S. Al Hazmi."



No wonder Dover AF Base USA couldn't identify the DNA of any of the purported hijackers of AA flt 77!

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

and toni, stop giving out reds ya little biatch. man up

ENT sent me a red. I love it when he does that as I fire back a really nasty one immediately.

Cant remember exactly what I penned buy it definitely had " Stupid foking cont " innit.

I was feeling generous and did not want to hurt his feelings too much.

Originally Posted by ENT

Now just have a look at how quickly the inside job scenario leaked out on 9/11!

Of course ENT, that's simply because the nut cases like you that hate America will always say the American Government are complicit in all of these terrorist happenings.

Tower 7 was weakened by fire and it fell of it's own accord.

^^ Like I said Terry, you're deluded.

I don't hate America, I don't hate anyone.

The fact still stands that the government of America at the time of the infamous 9/11 debacle were complicit in;

a) the killing of US citizens,
b) the cover up of the event.

Originally Posted by sabang

Some people knew in advance, and some people sought to benefit from their foreknowledge.

True. A lot of data is constantly received and processed and various warnings were received that something big (but unidentified) was going to happen, but nothing was done. Some people decided to cash in on this inside knowledge.
Considering the thousands of warnings that come in regularly, it is not surprising that nothing was done by those who could have.

Who knew what in advance, specifically?

Originally Posted by terry57

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

and toni, stop giving out reds ya little biatch. man up

ENT sent me a red. I love it when he does that as I fire back a really nasty one immediately.

Cant remember exactly what I penned buy it definitely had " Stupid foking cont " innit.

I was feeling generous and did not want to hurt his feelings too much.

Redded me too, for not agreeing that everyone should have the same education, drive in the same cars, live in the same houses, and free of course for those who can't make it on their own, paid for by those who can and do.

Didn't sleep a wink last night.

Hey ENT, why don't you write a book on it, guaranteed sales to the dozens that think just like you.

I redded you for calling those who disagreed with you "skunks".

Best you stay away from this thread ENT didn't you go a bit mental about this subject?

Who, me?

Yes wasn't it ?

Nope.

Anyway, back to topic. Who d'ya think dunnit wide boy?

Wouldn't have a clue.