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    Hey ENT, got ya well fuked now me old scrotum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koojo View Post
    Surely the pilot community would have bought up the fact that none of their pilots were missing.
    Maybe they secretly fled to South America and are living incognito on the huge government payouts.
    You might be on to something, there.

    Maybe ENT can regale us with more of his impeccable research?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post

    his impeachable research
    Fixed that for ya.

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    Hey ENT, me again.

    What do ya reckon Bro,

    Lets bolt over to the Corby thread and see if we can track down those nasty baggage handlers that packed all that Hydro into schapelle's
    boogy board.

    Your a friggin classic mate.
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    The link given in Thaihome's post gives another link to the flight data recorded, downloadable in document form.
    Reading it is painstaking, and someone with experience in commercial aircraft might be interested in explaining it.

    The data shows "doors closed"

    Below is another opinion, that there is no final proof one way or another, and he admits to not having read all the parameter data involved.

    Decide for yourselves if the author's opinion re. the flight deck doors are valid or not.

    There has been a lot of speculation that the door remain CLOSED the whole flight. This may show in the plots of the data (second half of NTSB data link above) but I didn't see it (because it's real pain to read and see), and here's why it doesn't matter...

    The NTSB data is separated into two sections: "Parameters Plotted" and "Parameters Not Working or Unconfirmed"
    There were around 300 parameters plotted, listed in the first portion of the NTSB data. All the rest are filed under not working or unconfirmed.

    An example of a plotted parameter (one which was working and measured) is like this:
    EICAS L/R-A-1 GEAR DOWN SYS 1 - L
    meaning the landing gear status was checked and plotted

    An example of a parameter that was no checked or working, or available on this particular aircraft is:
    HUD-1 AIII MODE HUD
    meaning the HUD or Heads Up Display was not used for this aircraft


    Now, to the FINAL ANSWER....

    Listed in the first portion of the NTSB data where the roughly 300 items were verified and checked, the FLT_D_DR was NOT plotted. and what does that mean? It means that for whatever reason the data for whether the door was OPEN or CLOSED during this flight was either not measured or the hardware was not connected.
    American Airlines 77 Cockpit Door - is that your final answer? YES, IT IS., page 1
    The door may or may not have been opened - the data was never recorded. Can we prove from the NTSB flight data that the door remained closed the whole flight? No, we can't.


    Interesting, as the data found in the downloaded documents list the doors as closed.


    I'd like to see any more articles re. the data analysis, but so far my searches have turned up nothing further, to date.
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    glad we all agree that 911 is officially and unofficially a conspiracy theory, one promoted by the government, the other by a minority in the public

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
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    So far my searches have turned up nothing.


    At last you've finally seen the light ENT.

    Anyway lets crack on with the Corby thread. That was awesome fun.

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    What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 on Sept 11, 2001
    by Gerard Homgren
    (Excerpted)

    "If these flights did not hit the buildings as alleged, then where did they go?'

    We are now in a position to answer that question.

    First lets recap on the official story of what happened to four planes that morning.

    AA 11 left Boston for LA at about 8 am, was reported as hijacked about 8.25, and hit the Nth Tower at about 8.46. UA 175 left Boston for LA at about the same time, was reported hijacked at about 8.55 and hit the Sth Tower at about 9.03 AA 77 left Dulles for LA about the same time , was reported hijacked at about 8.55 and hit the Pentagon at about 9.45 UA 93 left Newark for SF at about the same time, was reported hijacked about 9.45 and crashed in PA at about 10.10.

    The Bureau of transportation website contains search pages, where one can pull up detailed statistics about the history of which flights have been scheduled for which airports on any given day. Go to
    http://www.bts.gov/ntda/oai/index.shtml
    and click on "detailed statistics" where one can search records of scheduled and actual departure times, arrival times, diversions and cancellations by departure airport, arrival airport, airline and flight number. Searches for Sept 11 2001 reveal that the flights AA 11 and AA 77 did not exist. They were not scheduled that day. Here are the search results which I encourage everyone to check for themselves.

    A search for UA flights from Newark on Sept 11, 2001 shows 0093 to SF was scheduled at 8.00 and actually departed at 8.01. It is listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.

    A search for UA from Boston on that day shows 0175 to LA was scheduled for 8.00 and actually departed at 7.58. Also listed as "diverted" and did not arrive at its destination.

    The term "diverted" does not specify any differentiation between legally diverted, hijacked or crashed, so the data gives no indication one way or the other as to truth of the official story about what happened to them, but it does confirm that they departed as per the official story and did not arrive at their destinations.

    A search for AA flights from Boston that day does not list 0011. The earliest scheduled AA flight to LA that day was 0181 at 11.00

    A search for AA flights from Dulles that day does not list 0077. The earliest scheduled AA flight to LA was 0135 at 11.15.

    Here's a different search method. By returning to the search page URL listed earlier, and clicking on â summary statistics â , one can find the historical reliability and punctuality of specific flights over a period of time, by specifying the airline and flight number and defining the time period. The search then returns figures on average delays in departure and arrival times and percentages of cancelled or diverted flights. If one searches specifically for UA 175 or UA 93 narrowed down to sept 11 only, the search returns the result of "diverted" for each flight. A similar search for either AA 11 or AA 77 on that date returns "no data found".

    If you search for AA 11 or AA 77 on different days, you will find that they were regularly scheduled flights right up to Sept 10. AA 11 was scheduled daily from Logan to LA at 8.00, and AA 77 from Dulles to LA at 7.45. On Sept 11, they were not scheduled. Not cancelled. Just not scheduled.

    On Sept 12, they re-appear in the schedule (obviously as cancelled for the next few days) up until Sept 20 when both flights change their numbers.

    Thus the official figures from the Bureau of Transportation statistics indicate that neither AA 11 nor AA 77 flew on Sept, 11 2001. This solves the question of what happened to them. Nothing. Because the flights did not exist. This is consistent with other evidence which shows that they were not the objects responsible for the Pentagon and Nth WTC tower incidents.

    This still leaves unanswered the question of what happened to the passengers alleged to be aboard the non existent flights. In the case of AA 77, while one can always speculate about the most plausible scenarios, I prefer to wait until some real evidence emerges. However in the case of AA 11, I think it is worth noting that UA 175 left from the same airport, at the same time for the same destination as that normally applicable to AA 11.

    Therefore, although there is no direct evidence to support the claim, it would seem reasonable to speculate at this stage that any passengers who were regular fliers on AA 11, and asked to booked on it that day, went to the airport, expecting to get on AA 11, as per the normal routine. They were then told that there was a last minute problem with the flight which could not be fixed within a reasonable period of time, and were offered a flight on UA 175 as compensation.

    The data in this search indicates that we have been systematically lied to about the alleged flight paths and hijacking sequence of AA 11 and AA 77, as well as the alleged phone calls made from the planes.

    It also indicates probable complicity by American Airlines in the events of Sept 11 , 2001.

    For the benefit of any NWO operatives reading this, just in case you' re thinking of trying to pressure the Bureau into playing hanky panky with the records, the search results pages have already been backed up and widely distributed. Nevertheless, I do encourage all readers to do the searches themselves and back up the results pages, just in case this happens.

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    What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77 on Sept 11, 2001
    by Gerard Homgren
    This material may be freely reproduced without permission providing that it is not for commercial purposes. Please include the author's name, the URL where you found it and the copyright notice.
    http://webfairy.org/noplane/

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    How the planes were "lost"


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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Hey ENT, I got well fuked now in me old scrotum.
    Can't fix that for ya.

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    ^

    Hurt my delicate feeling that did ENT. You need a flagellation.

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    Any passengers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Listed in the first portion of the NTSB data where the roughly 300 items were verified and checked, the FLT_D_DR was NOT plotted. and what does that mean? It means that for whatever reason the data for whether the door was OPEN or CLOSED during this flight was either not measured or the hardware was not connected.
    American Airlines 77 Cockpit Door - is that your final answer? YES, IT IS., page 1
    The door may or may not have been opened - the data was never recorded. Can we prove from the NTSB flight data that the door remained closed the whole flight? No, we can't.


    Interesting, as the data found in the downloaded documents list the doors as closed.
    Seriously, it appears confirmed now that you are too fucking dumb to pay attention and to read THE EXPLANATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY THAIHOME'S POST:

    This of course has been dropped by the "truthers" after it was shown that this parameter was not active on that type of plane and the door was shown to have been closed for the last 42 hours of on 12 different flights.
    In other words, the parameter will always shows as CLOSED as the default parameter, when the parameter is not active.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^

    Hurt my delicate feeling that did ENT. You need a flagellation.
    C'mon ,mate, ya already had a fair suck of the sav.

    Or would ya like another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    In other words, the parameter will always shows as CLOSED as the default parameter, when the parameter is not active.
    Moot point, really, as the data supplied is suspect and if you download the docs from the links referred to you, can see for yourself the official data finally supplied after it was supposedly irretrievable from the black boxes.

    Also there are questions about whether the black boxes at the Pentagon were found at all.
    Three black boxes were found at WTC and were handed over, then FBI claimed that they didn't exist

    There is also a claim that four extra minutes of data is missing from the info. supplied.

    Also, my own view is that the planes in question did not exist in the way the official version of events describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Aptly named web site!

    Would you like some fairy dust for your corn flakes amigo?
    Last edited by Mr Earl; 25-06-2012 at 05:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENT View Post
    Also, my own view is that the planes in question did not exist in the way the official version of events describe.
    Aha, so you are saying the 4 commercial jet airplanes that we are discussing never existed?

    So, just to confirm - you claim that these 4 planes did not ever exist:


    - American [at]Airlines Flight 11, a Boeing 767-200ER, 81 passengers - Tail ID: N334AA

    Photos: Boeing 767-223/ER Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net


    - United Flight 175, a Boeing 767-200ER, 56 passengers - Tail ID: N644AA

    Photos: Boeing 767-222 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net


    - American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757-200, 58 passengers - Tail ID: N334AA

    Photos: Boeing 757-223 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net


    - United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757-200, 81 passengers37 - Tail ID: N334AA

    Photos: Boeing 757-222 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

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    Wow ! Lots of detail there, ENT ! How do you do it ? Or more specifically, what causes you to do it ?

    Asperger Syndrome Attributes:
    Individuals who have this condition have many outstanding qualities in many instances. They are less likely to conform ( "Be brave, for I shall salute you, and the howling pack of disturbed normaloids will have some more winds of change to rock their fragile crafts" : ENT), making peer pressure a non-issue for many teenagers with Aspergers.

    Focus is another remarkable quality that people with Asperger syndrome share. Intense focus and attention to detail make many individuals with this diagnosis successful in their respective areas of interest.

    Additionally, people with Aspergers have difficulty with:

    Figurative language
    Sarcasm
    Facial expressions
    Body language
    Metaphor and simile

    People with Asperger's Syndrome typically are very interested in specific subjects and like to learn lots of details about them.
    They can become obsessed with in obscure subjects and enjoy talking in great detail about them, taking them very seriously. People with ADHD are likely to have lots of interests (you claim to be a polymath) and to be less obsessive about following through on them. Both can have issues with social situations, with the people with Asperger's syndrome being unaware that people find them boring and struggling to understand why others aren't fascinated by their subject, while the people with ADHD may not notice what's going on around them and may be socially inappropriate, but they understand it when it is pointed out to them.

    Asperger's Syndrome can be misdiagnosed as ADHD because of similar symptoms. In addition, ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome CAN OCCUR TOGETHER
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    ^ ^^^
    Nope I'm done ENT.

    You've been proven to be a tad nutty and this thread has turned into a poor parody of the Micky Mouse Club.

    Anyway I'm off to Bali tomorrow for 6 weeks and I'm Off line.

    Be a good boy, don't overdose on your Meds as we dont need anymore of these fantasy threads.

    Thanks for that.

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    I know your sad I'm leaving ENT but you'll get over it.

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    Enjoy Bali. Now that we know for sure ENT's problem is Asperger's, he'll keep himself busy.

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    Flight data for all seats including no show and flight cancellations for AA Flt 11, AA Flt 77, UA Flt 93 and UA Flt 175 on 9th Sept 2001.

    The FBI Investigation.

    Flights 77 and 11 No Show Fdr Entire Contents Notes and FBI Reports 223

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    So far, only Thaihome has given a logical refutation, without an ad hominem slur, to info offered.
    Good on ya man, I green you for that.

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    The two resident trolls LD, the pole dancing lady boy and quack-quack(aka Cthulhu, aka Daffy), have some sort of problem, they keep talking about their pet interests, mental aberrations and medications, so best left alone.
    Terrry 57, the fireman from Perth who doesn't know a flagellation from a conflagration but knows his "mull", is off to Bali, a bit of a gypsy, a joker, maybe ?

    HA!

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    Don't worry, ENT. Out of all the members on Teakdoor, you have Thaihome and Albert to listen to you.
    So why don't you just P.M. them and continue to communicate about 9/11 that way, instead of insulting everyone else's intelligence ?


    Remember a few days ago you couldn't figure out that we were taking the piss out of you ? That's because you don't understand:
    Figurative language
    Metaphor and simile
    though I'm sure you could now pretend to if you focus enough.
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