Thread: 9/11 was an inside job

Originally Posted by Latindancer

The wrecked engine was "placed" there ? And carefully, even expertly, embedded in a wall ?

and yet we found one of the hijackers passport, perfectly intact, at the bottom of one of the twin towers, but what would you know ?

Oh look, a meticulous accounting of debris:

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

Engine #1 & Engine #2

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

Engine #1:



Engine #2:



Landing Gear:



Conclusion

Despite the destructive fire that raged inside the impact area on 9/11, pieces of debris were visible on 9/13 and 9/14, and were photographed by recovery workers. These photos clearly show pieces of landing gears, a large turbofan engine, and fuselage. The evidence inside the building is consistent with the evidence of plane wreckage outside -- indicating that a commercial airliner flew into the Pentagon on September 11th.

Originally Posted by ENT

^^^Tell me about the engine embedded in a wall, sounds interesting. Got anything to back your statement? A link?

Why bother, as you have a habit of DEMANDING a link, and then will neither follow them nor read them...? Nevertheless, I provided links *and* photographs... it's no surprise you claim you don't see them. As usual.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

People are funny,

Yes, indeed - as you and ENT prove with every passing post.

What's the matter? Got bored from no one replying to your trolling in the tech threads?

Originally Posted by Cthulhu

Originally Posted by ENT

^^^Tell me about the engine embedded in a wall, sounds interesting. Got anything to back your statement? A link?

Why bother, as you have a habit of DEMANDING a link, and then will neither follow them nor read them...? Nevertheless, I provided links *and* photographs... it's no surprise you claim you don't see them. As usual.

More bullshit, you have no poof troll.

Originally Posted by terry57

So what happened to the plane and all the people on it ?

excellent question, terry

yeah what happened to the tooth fairy and space aliens who were on board ? where are their bodies ? vaporized ? abducted back to their space ship or fairy worlds ? yeah, we want to hear from them, where are they ? FFS, they were innocent people being killed by dangerous terrorists, let's not forget that and that's all that matters.

indeed, that's all that matters.

QuackQuack, I think nobody will disagree with me, for once, if I say you are TD greatest comedian

I mean FFS, apple fan, anti-911 conspiracy, probably a republican and Bush supporter, and let's not forget sex tourist extraordinaire who shaves his arms and balls

From the same link you posted in #347

Why Was FMFD Unit 161 at the Pentagon Before the Crash of 'Flight 77'?

When did Fort Meyer Fire Department (FMFD) Unit 161, and Metropolitan Washington Airport Authority (MWAA) Unit 331, arrive at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001, and why does it matter?

National Airport's aircraft rescue firefighters (ARFF) foam units "knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival," said Captain Michael Defina, who was the shift commander that day at Reagon National Airport (National Fire Protection Association Journal, November 1, 2001).

Captain Defina, who had been at the site of a motor vehicle accident, arrived at the Pentagon "two to three minutes" after he "saw a smoke plume arise" from the Pentagon.

FMFD Unit 161 at the Pentagon before Flight 77 strike?
"Captain Defina drove onto the heliport and directed Foam Unit 331 to set up there, where Fort Myer Unit 161 had established a hydrant water supply. The only other firefighting apparatus he saw on the west side was Arlington County's Engine and Truck 105 on the far north end. Their crews went into the building to conduct search and rescue."




After the right wing hit, wouldn't the plane veer right?


Reported path of Flight 77
"While Foam Unit 331 hit the fire with foam from its roof and bumper turrets, Unit 335's four-person crew used hand lines in an attempt to control the fires".


MWAA Unit 331 at the Pentagon
Why does this matter?

Let's contruct a timeline of events at the Pentagon, and see if it tells us anything.

9:29 - Flight 77 is at 7000 feet, 38 miles west of the Pentagon (9/11 Commission Report, p9).

9:32 - Bombs cited in Barbara Honegger's two-hour, under-oath, videotaped interview/testimony of key Pentagon eyewitness April Gallop.

9:xx - "Captain Dennis Gilroy and his team were already on station at the Pentagon when Flight #77 slammed into it." (Arlington County After-Action Report, Annex pages A-4 and A-5).

9:xx - Firefighter Alan Wallace hears "the Boeing 757's screaming engines" and yells "Runnnnn!" to "firefighter Mark Skipper."

9:37:46 - Flight 77 travelling at 530 mph hits the Pentagon (9/11 Commission Report, p10).

Then
There is little if any hard evidence available to the public, that American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 flying from Washington Dulles International Airport, crashed into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.

At the Dept. of Defense (DoD) News Briefing on September 12, 2001, American Airlines, Flight 77, Boeing 757, and Dulles were not even mentioned.

There was, writes Kwiatkowski,

a strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense, who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a 'missile'.

The hole in the Pentagon wall - prior to the collapse of the roof - appears much too small to accomodate a Boeing 757. If only the front end penetrated the Pentagon, then the wings, a portion of the fuselage, and tail would have remained outside. But no large debris - anything resembling the Boeing 757 wings, fuselage, or tail - is visible on the Pentagon lawn, and the lawn itself shows no sign that a Boeing 757 skidded across it or struck it.

The engines of the Boeing 757 would have survived the impact and heat. An engine from a plane that struck the World Trade Center was shown on network television, and so was an engine from American Airlines Flight 587 which crashed shortly after takeoff from New York on November 12, 2001.

One photo from the Pentagon crash site shows what could be an engine part about 30 inches in diameter outside the Pentagon. Another photo shows what could be an engine part (its size is difficult to determine) inside the Pentagon. Were these parts, and another piece of debris on the Pentagon lawn traced to Flight 77?

According to George Nelson, Colonel, USAF (ret.), serial numbers on aircraft parts could confirm the plane's identity. But the FBI has refused to make that evidence available to the public.

The debris which is not there in photos looks pretty solid to me, Cthulhu, and look how cunningly the men in black have placed it so it seems to have been from a crash. It's obviously fooled the firefighters, rescue workers, aviation authorities, and god knows how many other people who were actually, physically there.
Luckily we have some "experts" here on Teakdoor who can point out the "glaring inconsistencies". Though confoundingly, they can not answer other searching questions....

ENT, you appear to have gone pretty quiet upon me providing pictures of BOTH ENGINES AT THE PENTAGON - you know, after you claimed a second engine was never found.

Why so quiet, suddenly, and instead a dramatic change of subject?

Oh, wait - did I just observe you change the subject?

17. Change the subject. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation - 911truth.org

... and your friend Butterfly appeared just in time to serve as your "companion" (teeheehee!) "who can "argue" with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues".

Textbook disinformation, performed by ENT.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

The debris which is not there in photos looks pretty solid to me, Cthulhu

I took the pictures with an invisible camera, which makes invisible objects, visible.

(wait, now, for ENT to "deconstruct" my claim to have an invisible camera, and use that as "proof" that we are "fabricating" data, because invisible cameras don't exist)

(right - but engines that fly themselves into a building, do)

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Luckily we have some "experts" here on Teakdoor who can point out the "glaring inconsistencies". Though confoundingly, they can not answer other searching questions....

Indeed.

Tell us all about both engines troll, and about how much you get paid to troll, your word count per dollar rate and who you troll for.

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Latindancer : As a mattter of fact, I studied Okinawan Karate before Bruce Lee became famous. Then continued with other styles.But as for the simple mechanics of building collapse, it really _IS_ Popular Mechanics stuff" latindancer re. WTC 9.

Originally Posted by ENT

Tell us all about both engines troll, and about how much you get paid to troll, your word count per dollar rate and who you troll for.

Getting uncomfortable in that corner you painted yourself into?

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.

Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation - 911truth.org

I can't do much more than provide two pictures, one for each engine, within the Pentagon location.

Yet, you scramble straight for Rule #19

19. Ignore proof presented
Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation - 911truth.org

So, what you are saying is that someone who responds to you, and provides links and proof (which you demanded) is a "troll" because you don't like the proof?

Yet, somehow, you are exempt from having to provide an supporting evidence or proof for your claims, when such are requested?

Glad we have that settled.

You've posted two pictures, with no reference or anything supportive and you expect everyone to believe that the engines shown are two separate engines found at the Pentagon.
You also say in one post that there are two then only one, contradicting yourself.
You're talking crap once more, troll.

Talk about something real, like how much you get paid to troll.

Hey bENT, how come Nixon couldn't even pull off Watergate, yet this whole 9/11 thing HAS been ?
And do you think the UFO dumped a jet engine (or a couple of, depending on who you believe) into the Pentagon, simultaneous to the missile going in ?
That's pretty good timing, don't you think ?
Or did someone sneak in a previously wrecked jet engine overnight, together with large debris ?

Love how the engines were dumped there with nobody noticing

Originally Posted by Butterfly

the reaction of Latin, QuackQuack, Humbert and a few others (no doubt Americans) is quite interesting actually

they are the typical "scared" individuals, what we call the "high beta", very sensitive to world events and world reaction to events, that is they will react more dramatically to certain significant world events and will need an absolute explanation to appease their "high beta" in their scared little world, any explanation will do, no matter how absurd, it is for them still better than none, and that's why the US government have to create those fairy tales story to keep their cattle calm.

did you know that Jewish survivors couldn't talk about death camps when they returned because nobody believed them ? for those who try to share their stories with their friends were met with skepticism or even rage about the impossibility of such a horrible thing. After being insulted by close friends or even relatives who were incredulous about something so extraordinary, the subject became taboo. It was only decades later that this was discussed openly, as it should. The Germans were still in denial decades after it happened, citing "conspiracy" for something that couldn't have happened under the mighty and morally superior Nazi regime.

People are really funny,

Yes, that silence from victims was once described as shell shock, but no called post traumatic stress syndrome, and in more extreme cases it develops to a disorder.
The chronic form is more appropriately termed accumulative post traumatic stress disorder, APTSD, which is what a lot of Holocaust survivors suffered from.

The Jewish child orphan survivors of that holocaust ended up in an orphanage called Ben Shemen, in Lod, Israel, and were gradually re-humanised, but many continued with the problem for life.

In addition to that, other Israeli post-war orphans were housed and cared for at Ben Shemen, and the group angst was passed on to them, creating a generation of Israelis who can only be described as socially mai-adjusted.

I had to care for one such woman for years.
Some doctors said she was schizoid, others that she was manic-depressive, or even autistic

Originally Posted by ENT

and were gradually re-humanised, but many continued with the problem for life.

I take it your own personal condition is in the latter category and not the former ?

^^The day before 9/11, the Pentagon was secured, no visitors allowed, as it was on 9/11, because Bush was there on the 8th and scheduled back on the 9th.September, but did not make it.

Only security cleared staff were allowed anywhere near the building.
The renovations in the damaged section allowed for tons of material to enter there, and no one would have seen or known what was going on in those two days.
The security close down there was a great smokescreen, so if someone wanted to plant machine parts there overnight as part of a government fabrication, it could easily have been done.

Like I said, I don't think that the engine found was planted there, but I could be wrong.

The unidentified object flying at the building was definitely not a standard aircraft or anything as large, no seimic record of such an impact.
A small missile is the likeliest object so have penetrated the building, as the facade columns were still in place at the conjectured impact point.

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Latindancer : As a mattter of fact, I studied Okinawan Karate before Bruce Lee became famous. Then continued with other styles.But as for the simple mechanics of building collapse, it really _IS_ Popular Mechanics stuff" latindancer re. WTC 9.

You don't understand the word "logistics", do you ? Not surprising, given you're off with the fairies...

"The management of the details of an operation"

Originally Posted by ENT

You've posted two pictures, with no reference or anything supportive and you expect everyone to believe that the engines shown are two separate engines found at the Pentagon.
You also say in one post that there are two then only one, contradicting yourself.
You're talking crap once more, troll.

May I suggest a course in English Comprehension, with an emphasis on "context"?

You do realize that the words surrounding the one word that sets you off actually form a cohesive sentence, and that a number of surrounding sentences are supposed to be related?

Once again, I hate to remind you for the N-th time, that not only have I posted the link references, along with detailed explanations of where the engine parts had been found, but I have also explained the meaning of "paraphrase" and "satire" several times.

I can only conclude that you are providing further evidence of "ignoring evidence" - I'd actually assume that you would be doing this on purpose, but now realize that you really are seriously deranged, and thus genuinely aren't aware of anything, due to self-editing.

Maybe the gov got to you, and you have been brainwashed... you know, because you knew too much.

Latidancer; "It's a good job I studied physics at 12th grade"

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Latindancer : As a mattter of fact, I studied Okinawan Karate before Bruce Lee became famous. Then continued with other styles.But as for the simple mechanics of building collapse, it really _IS_ Popular Mechanics stuff" latindancer re. WTC 9.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

You don't understand the word "logistics", do you ? Not surprising, given you're off with the fairies...

ROTFLOL!

You know, he has a point - after all, commercial jet engines are relatively inconspicuous, and can easily be brought into something with casual security like the Pentagon. I mean, I frequently bring my lucky RollsRoyce turbofan jet engine with me to work. No one seems to notice.

(the above anecdote is sarcastic fiction - just for the benefit of the loo-loo's in the audience)