Thread: Same sex marriage

A little slow off the mark, but a welcome move nonetheless...

endlich frei, endlich frei...danken Gott, der Allmächtige, endlich frei!...

Forgive them lord.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Forgive them lord.

no need: we're all created in his likeness, remember? Such notion suggests that RuPaul and god are doppelgangers...

...so, sexist generalizations then: revealing yet another character fault...

Originally Posted by tomcat

sexist generalizations then: revealing yet another character fault...

Many feminine traits are positive. Some male traits are not, especially when it comes to the leadership of a nation. Is there another reason for the rise of women in influential positions in industry, commerce and government, or is that the 'character fault' you are referring to?
You're being deliberately adversarial again. Your dig is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by chassamui

is that the 'character fault' you are referring to?

no: your tendency to generalize from a very limited informational base is disconcerting...and suggests a stutter in your thought processes.

Originally Posted by chassamui

You're being deliberately adversarial again

nonsense...unless you view disagreement and a hint of disparagement as adversarial...

Originally Posted by chassamui

Many feminine traits are positive. Some male traits are not, especially when it comes to the leadership of a nation. NO COMMENT?Is there another reason for the rise of women in influential positions in industry, commerce and government?NO COMMENT?
You're being deliberately adversarial again.

Cherry picking your responses again.
Ignorance an insults are not so enabling for you are they TC?

Originally Posted by chassamui

Cherry picking your responses again.

you have a rather anal attachment to that expression...worked on a cherry kibbutz, I assume...

Originally Posted by chassamui

Ignorance an insults are not so enabling for you are they TC?

certainly not...that's why I avoid them in favor of astute commentary and pithy insight...I don't know why you're offended by such posts...

Originally Posted by tomcat

I don't know why you're offended by such posts...

Not offended in the slightest. Bemused would be a better word.

It's clear that despite your statement above, you prefer denigration to engagement.

Originally Posted by chassamui

It's clear

I'm afraid you've already demonstrated that clarity isn't your strong point...carry on with the cherry harvest, though...

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by chassamui

It's clear

I'm afraid you've already demonstrated that clarity isn't your strong point...carry on with the cherry harvest, though...

Read yesterday that Merkel voted against it. Was that expected?

Originally Posted by tomcat

I'm afraid you've already demonstrated that clarity isn't your strong point...carry on with the cherry harvest, though...

Perhaps dismissive is a better description of your style, especially when it's clear that you don't have any real answers.
Denigrate and dismiss all you like. I shan't trouble you again. At least not until I see you struggling again.

Originally Posted by chassamui

deliberately adversarial

Originally Posted by chassamui

Denigrate and dismiss

Originally Posted by chassamui

Ignorance an insults

...ffs, which is it? I want to avoid cherry-picking...

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by tomcat

Originally Posted by chassamui

It's clear

I'm afraid you've already demonstrated that clarity isn't your strong point...carry on with the cherry harvest, though...

Read yesterday that Merkel voted against it. Was that expected?

From a teutonic jesus wheezer? Absolutely.

^doesn't matter now...the vote's over and love won: Jebus might be familiar with that expression...

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Read yesterday that Merkel voted against it. Was that expected?

Some help that might answer your question,....

“It occurs to me that Merkel is feeling increasingly exposed because she certainly wants to align herself with a progressive E.U. culture and tradition, and she’s in some ways the leader of that now,” Beachy said. “It made the absence of same-sex marriage in Germany that much more glaring.”

By the way, not everyone was happy with her and the delay.

Malta to legalise gay marriage and ban gendered words in legislation

Words including 'husband' and 'wife' will be scrapped from country's laws in bid to make legislation gender-neutral

Malta is on the verge of legalising gay marriage after the government brought forward legislation to scrap gendered references to marriage in the country’s legal system.

The draft law, which has received the backing of the centre-right opposition Nationalist Party, will abolish gendered terms such as “husband”, “wife”, “mother” and “father” from the country’s Marriage Act and other laws and replace them with gender-neutral terminology.

It will also be made legal for gay couples to adopt children.

It marks the latest in a series of reforms designed to increase equality in the traditionally Catholic country.

Last year, Malta became the first nation to ban so-called “gay cure” conversion therapy, making it illegal to try to “change, repress or eliminate a person's sexual orientation, gender identity and/or gender expression”.

"Malta wants to keep leading on LGBT issues and civil liberties, to serve as a model for the rest of the world," Maltese prime minister Joseph Muscat, who leads the Labour Party, told the BBC.

Should the proposed changes be passed by its parliament, Malta will become the 13th EU state to legalise gay marriage.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

ban gendered words in legislation

Originally Posted by S Landreth

in bid to make legislation gender-neutral

Yes, because gender is a purely cultural construction. It does not exist in the real world. Men and women are actually identical and the only reason they are treated differently sometimes is due to ignorant culturally retrograde prejudice

Originally Posted by S Landreth

making it illegal to try to “change, repress or eliminate a person's sexual orientation

What if I want to become gay to take advantage of the more promiscuous lifestyle with more partners? Should I not be allowed to pursue that desire through whatever means available including hormone treatment or whatever? I am a grown adult so why can I not do this?

Removing gender based wording will not stop the offending words being used. Nor will it eradicate their place in the dictionary, or their meaning.
Another example of futility in gender issues.
No matter how far the zealots go, it will never be enough for the protagonists.

Given everything they asked for, they still want more.Has anyone else noticed the similarity between a pussy and a croissant? I blame the French, intransigent bastards.

Originally Posted by chassamui

No matter how far the zealots go, it will never be enough for the protagonists. Given everything they asked for, they still want more

What is this "everything" of which you speak, old straight man?

Wednesday – Malta will be added to the map?

Marriage Equality Bill advances to final parliamentary reading

VALETTA, Malta - The island of Malta is on its way to becoming the latest country to embrace same-sex "marriage."

A legalization measure, the Marriage Equality Bill, has passed to initial readings before Parliament. It is widely expected to pass a final vote on Wednesday.

Designed to "modernize the institution of marriage," the bill is not a single act, but a series of amendments to existing laws such as the Marriage Act, the Criminal Code and the Civil Code.

In 2016, Malta became the first country in Europe to outlaw conversion therapy — any treatment aiming to "change, repress or eliminate a person's sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression."

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Same-sex marriage bill clears German upper house

Germany's equal marriage bill has been approved in the Bundesrat, meaning the president can now sign it into law. However, one other legal challenge - concerned with the wording of Germany's constitution - is likely.

A vote was not necessary in the upper house of Germany's parliament, the Bundesrat, on Friday, because no state challenged the draft legislation. The original proposal for the law - and a large part of the initial pressure on Angela Merkel's government to act - had come from the Bundesrat, where "marriage for all" ("Ehe für alle") twice won majority support.

The state premier of Rhineland Palatinate, Social Democrat Malu Dreyer, said she was happy "that our persistent fight has succeeded." Rhineland Palatinate was the state to bring the proposal to a vote twice in the Bundesrat, in 2013 and 2015.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

any torture aiming to "change, repress or eliminate a person's sexual orientation, gender identity or gender expression."

ftfy...