Thread: Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the bible

Originally Posted by Milkman

I think I am right, correct me if wrong. I am an American, as you are. I reside in Thailand. One difference in me and many others on this forum, and maybe the difference between you and I, is that I believe the entire Word of God with out exception.

Which god?

Do you?

It's a farce.

Which God. There is one God and only one God. Never has there been two or three or more. The god's of Egypt and other countries, India, etc. are not true Gods. The God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob is the only true God.

The God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob.... is the Hebrew God. He is also the Christian God. The only difference being is that when He came to earth in the form of a baby/man, in the flesh. Then the Jew's rejected him because they did not believe that he was the one to come. So they (Hebrews) are still waiting for the deliverer to come. Christians accept that he has come and that his name is Jesus. Islam worships the same God but, in a different way then the Jew's. Both Islam and Jew's reject Jesus.

Someday you will drop the farce idea. Only then it may be too late for you.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Which God. There is one God and only one God. Never has there been two or three or more. The god's of Egypt and other countries, India, etc. are not true Gods. The God of Abraham, Issac, Jacob is the only true God.

Say who ? the Bible ? but what if the Bible was written by men for men ? and how do you know that the Bible is God's work ?

Originally Posted by ceburat

You are too stupid to believe any truth in any form.

I thought there is only one truth, and it comes in form of the bible?
And thanks again for your kind words.

It is not a matter of interpretation. The Bible is of no private interpretation. If you, and ten others, all read the Bible with an open mind and accept what it say's, you will all agree on what was written.

So the text of the bible is the exact truth and everything you say is true as well, because the bible confirms it.
Questions posed to you are word-games or insincere, people should just read the bible instead of asking you.
Everyone who doesn't agree is just not open-minded.

Yeah, this must be the truth. Obvious to everyone but the most stupid and deluded like myself.

I should really be reading the bible to find the bit where god keeps redrawing the borders of Israel and passes this on to the Israeli land offices, and so should all the surrounding countries' population. When they'll all be open-minded enough to convert to your brand of Christianity, we will finally have peace in the middle-east.

I think I understand now.

^ and we wonder why the world is fucked up

Originally Posted by stroller

I think I understand now.

Well, it's about time.
Been hammering on you for the past >3 years now and perhaps something is connecting within that thick teutonic skull of yours!

Originally Posted by Milkman

There are billions of people in this world that disagree with this opinion.

Errmmm....slight case of exageration here?
Billions?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Been hammering on you for the past >3 years now

I thought you're a Buddhist, or so you claim, that doesn't usually go with promoting the bible as the truth?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by Milkman

There are billions of people in this world that disagree with this opinion.

Errmmm....slight case of exageration here?
Billions?

How large is the world population at present, how many believe in ceburat's version of god?

Originally Posted by ceburat

"Islam worships the same God but, in a different way then the Jew's. Both Islam and Jew's reject Jesus." Is not this the same as Allah is the god of the Jews and Xtians? We agree, just differently stated.

So Allah is the same god as yours, after all?
And I understood, according to you, the followers of the "religion of piece", Islam, are non-believers and god has violence as punishment planned for them?

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by ceburat

One difference in me and many others on this forum, and maybe the difference between you and I, is that I believe the entire Word of God with out exception. Do you?

If you are talking about the Hebrew Torah, it is actually "Gods" (Elohim), not God. But you are referring to the Greek translation, right?

So are you saying that the Bible is the "word or God"? I thought it was written down by humans (several different individuals, actually), but naturally that would make it pretty damn stupid to take it literally.

I use and follow the KJV. The Holy Bible is the "word of God" since men of old where inspired to write by the Holy Spirit and wrote what God inspired them to write. So another way to say it - several different individuals who where filled with the holy ghost where inspired by the holy spirit to write what God wanted wrote.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

"Islam worships the same God but, in a different way then the Jew's. Both Islam and Jew's reject Jesus." Is not this the same as Allah is the god of the Jews and Xtians? We agree, just differently stated.

So Allah is the same god as yours, after all?
And I understood, according to you, the followers of the "religion of piece", Islam, are non-believers and god has violence as punishment planned for them?

Of course he is the same God. I never said that he wasn't. There is one and only one God. Islamics don't accept Jesus. Only God. On the other hand Christians believe that the Lord Jesus was God in the flesh on earth as stated in the the first chapter of the Book of John. Still the same God.

Islamics worship one way and Christians the other.

About violence - God has outlined his plan of salvation. A person must follow it or reject God. Up to him. This reject is sin. The punishment for sin is death. Read Revelations, last Book of the Bible.

All I have said here is basic knowledge to Christianity. You are the one who refuses to read the Bible. You are also one of those who talk down the Bible. However, since you don't read and understand the Bible how can you talk so much about religion? Better if a man speak of what he knows.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Israel made the discision to defend themselves. If they were not under attack they would have no reason to defend themselves.

I don't understand. Why would God's Chosen Ones™ need to defend themselves? Why isn't God doing it?

Seems a bit of a stretch that the Chosen Ones™ would have to lift a finger to take care of themselves.

Not much of a God is He?

Islam came along about 600 to 700 years after the Lord Jesus was on earth.

Islam rejected Jesus because, as taught by the RCC of the time, Jesus was the son of God, but, not God. Islam therefore rejected the Lord Jesus as did the Jew's severl hundred years earlier.

^Full of it.

Jesus, Islam, the Quran, and the End of Times.

Originally Posted by ceburat

The punishment for sin is death

Damn, what a punishment, I wonder what the others get ? eternal life on earth

Originally Posted by ceburat

I use and follow the KJV

But that version contradicts with other versions of the Bible. If the Bible is the truth and the only truth from God, why is there a need to have several versions of it, often contradicting itself ? does this mean that there are several truth ? or several God's truth ? how is one to choose from all those truth ?

Originally Posted by surasak

Originally Posted by ceburat

Israel made the discision to defend themselves. If they were not under attack they would have no reason to defend themselves.

I don't understand. Why would God's Chosen Ones™ need to defend themselves? Why isn't God doing it?

Seems a bit of a stretch that the Chosen Ones™ would have to lift a finger to take care of themselves.

Not much of a God is He?

God is God. If he wants to do it that why, so be it. Who are you or I to question God? You really should read some of the Bible. Many of your questions would be answered. Maybe all. Depends on your state of mind towards what you are reading.

Originally Posted by ceburat

Depends on your state of mind towards what you are reading.

I think yaba can help understanding "your" Bible

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by ceburat

The punishment for sin is death

Damn, what a punishment, I wonder what the others get ? eternal life on earth

Originally Posted by ceburat

I use and follow the KJV

But that version contradicts with other versions of the Bible. If the Bible is the truth and the only truth from God, why is there a need to have several versions of it, often contradicting itself ? does this mean that there are several truth ? or several God's truth ? how is one to choose from all those truth ?

It means that men who do not want to worship as God has directed, re-write parts of the Bible to make a "Religion that suits them". That is the reason for many versions. That is the main reason that I and others that I know only follow the l611 KJV or older versions which do not contridict.

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Been hammering on you for the past >3 years now

I thought you're a Buddhist, or so you claim, that doesn't usually go with promoting the bible as the truth?

Poetic license?

Originally Posted by ceburat

God is God. If he wants to do it that why, so be it. Who are you or I to question God? You really should read some of the Bible. Many of your questions would be answered. Maybe all. Depends on your state of mind towards what you are reading.

So, God controls whether or not I'm going to read the Bible.

If I do, it's God's will. If I don't, it's God's will.

If the Jews win, it's God's will. If the Arabs build nukes and wipe out the Jews it's God's will.

So, why are we supporting Israel again?

Originally Posted by ceburat

A person must follow it or reject God. Up to him. This reject is sin. The punishment for sin is death.

It's been a while since I read the bible, but I am pretty sure Jesus put it differently......

Originally Posted by surasak

^Full of it.

Jesus, Islam, the Quran, and the End of Times.

You need to read the KJV of the Holy Bible and see for yourself. Then I think you will have a different view of the above reference.