Thread: New iPhone - It's Wonderful!

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Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Same problem on the Nokia e71, when held in the EXACT SAME PLACE:



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Yes, but this is how the e71 is held so it's a non issue.

Originally Posted by Dug

Yes, but this is how the e71 is held so it's a non issue.

Oh, is that how you try to make video calls? I think I'm starting to understand why you might have problems. or maybe trouble in general being heard on calls.

Not really sure, been using my iPhone 4 all day today, and have experienced absolutely no signal or reception issues.

Edit: ROFL on that Hitler video. This scene is just so fantastic, it's funny every time.

Finally found it on Bluray today, so I'm going to watch the f*cker and finally find out what they are really saying!

Actually an awesomely (if not scarily so) authentic recreation of that time. The Goebbels suicides and infanticides are the creepiest. Bruno Ganz essentially channels Hitker in that one?

Consumer Reports - clearly a highly biased publication:

Consumer Reports Electronics Blog: iPhone 4's supposed signal woes aren

iPhone 4's supposed signal woes aren’t unique, and may not be serious


The debate over the iPhone 4's supposed reception problems continues, including a new class-action suit. Underplayed in the discussion is the fact that all phones are subject to interference from the human who is using them. And even if the alleged signal loss is real, there's an absence of hard evidence that iPhone 4 reception is problematic compared to past iPhones; indeed, there's evidence of just the opposite.

For its part, Apple recently suggested that any iPhone 4 signal loss results from little more than faulty software that incorrectly displays signal strengths.

The software may, indeed be faulty, but the signal loss can be real. Holding the iPhone 4 in certain ways does cause signal loss. But that's the case with all cell phones. Indeed, all cell phones, from the mightiest smart phones to the most-basic flip models, must consistently overcome a major communication obstacle: you.

Your hand, your head, or any other part of your body that comes between the phone's antenna and the nearest cell tower will interfere with reception, and devilishly well. That's in part because humans are mostly made of water, and water is very good at blocking phone signals. Other confounding factors include nearby buildings, cell-tower location, and even the weather.

That interference is exacerbated if the phone's antenna is not insulated from human contact. And that seems to be the case with the iPhone's external antenna, which doubles as the phone's stylish metal outer band; your hand contacts the band as you cradle the phone.

Most of the Web sites reporting dropped signals and even dropped calls have demonstrated several techniques, or "death grips" for recreating the problem (which we've yet been able to reproduce in a meaningful way). But those almost always require squeezing the phone hard, in an unnatural way. Those grips may also produce sweaty palms from exertion, with the sweat increasing conductivity—and possibly the degree of signal loss.

Case closed, right? Well, no.

Even with that supposed handicap of an exposed antenna, iPhone 4 reception is actually better than on the 3GS according to many to some highly respectable and thorough testers, including AnandTech.com:

From my day of testing, I've determined that the iPhone 4 performs much better than the 3GS in situations where signal is very low, at -113 dBm (1 bar). Previously, dropping this low all but guaranteed that calls would drop, fail to be placed, and data would no longer be transacted at all. I can honestly say that I've never held onto so many calls and data simultaneously on 1 bar at -113 dBm as I have with the iPhone 4, so it's readily apparent that the new baseband hardware is much more sensitive compared to what was in the 3GS.

The authors did admit, however, that using a bumper, or some kind of insulating case allowed them to get even better performance:

With my bumper case on, I made it further into dead zones than ever before, and into marginal areas that would always drop calls without any problems at all. It's amazing really to experience the difference in sensitivity the iPhone 4 brings compared to the 3GS, and issues from holding the phone aside, reception is absolutely definitely improved. I felt like I was going places no iPhone had ever gone before. There's no doubt in my mind this iPhone gets the best cellular reception yet, even though measured signal is lower than the 3GS.

Bottom line: There's no reason, at least yet, to forgo buying an iPhone 4 over its reception concerns. And even if those do materialize, Apple's Steve Jobs helpfully reminds new iPhone buyers that "you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund."

—Mike Gikas

Using the iPad every day, I have to say: I don't miss the ads. And I have not encountered actual, missing content in a long time. The video experience on the iPad is so much better than on a desktop computer, it's not even funny. Video looks simply amazing on that screen.

Ok so I can't visit any Thai website because what they teach all Thai web designers from day one is: "Do everything in Flash." Makes the websites near unusable, but hey, it's shiny. Not. A. Big. Loss. Actually - I am hoping the iPad/iPhone will severely curb the use of Flash in new sites. Lack of Flash makes the world a better place for everyone
It's a bit like the demise of IE6...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Edit: ROFL on that Hitler video. This scene is just so fantastic, it's funny every time.

Finally found it on Bluray today, so I'm going to watch the f*cker and finally find out what they are really saying!

I understand what they're saying as I speak German. In order to enjoy it I have to turn down the sound. Then it's really awesome. Nobody loses it quite like Hitler... :P

Got the new iPhone 4. Its great! NO reception issues even in my left hand

Beats the old Nokia hands down

Hey Ive just put the cursor over the red dot and it comes up with I may not be suitable for this forum. What does that mean?

Originally Posted by k1klass

But i do agree the new iphone is a great new phone if you hold it in the correct manner so you can make a call lol

Easy, see!

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Got the new iPhone 4. Its great! NO reception issues even in my left hand

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Hey Ive just put the cursor over the red dot and it comes up with I may not be suitable for this forum. What does that mean?

Quite.

Originally Posted by nikster

Ok so I can't visit any Thai website because what they teach all Thai web designers from day one is: "Do everything in Flash." Makes the websites near unusable, but hey, it's shiny. Not. A. Big. Loss

LOL!

Yeah, I know what you mean - most Thai designed websites remind me a little of the 'good old days' of Geocities 'designed' websites.

Basically, 15 years behind the curve.

Originally Posted by nikster

Actually - I am hoping the iPad/iPhone will severely curb the use of Flash in new sites.

I don't think that has quite filtered down yet - albeit using Wordpress to design sites helps make them iOS compatible right out of the gate -- not really seeing much WP adoption from Thai designers yet, though. Maybe I should extend some workshops and push those techniques on some of my future trips. Makes it easier to design pages as well - as long as the monks don't set the base colors.....

Facetime smoke! Don't breathe this!

Don't blend it yet if you believe this!

Apple on Friday denied that the iPhone 4 had a faulty antenna, claiming that the problem was the software that determines how many signal bars to display.

Apple said that's the reason behind widespread complaints from users that the iPhone 4 can show a sudden plunge in signal strength when they hold it in a way that covers a small black strip on one edge of the phone.

That drop seems exaggerated because the phone can wrongly display four or five bars of signal strength when it shouldn't, Apple said.

"Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars. Users observing a drop of several bars when they grip their iPhone in a certain way are most likely in an area with very weak signal strength, but they don?t know it because we are erroneously displaying 4 or 5 bars. Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place, "Apple said in a statement.

To fix this, Apple is adopting AT&T?s formula for calculating how many bars to display for a given signal strength. The real signal strength remains the same, but the iPhone?s bars will report it far more accurately, providing users a much better indication of the reception they will get in a given area, Apple said. The company will also make bars 1, 2 and 3 a bit taller so they will be easier to see.

Apple will issue a free software update within a few weeks that incorporates the corrected formula. Since this mistake has been present since the original iPhone, this software update will also be available for the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3G, the company added.

Apple apologized to customers "for any anxiety we may have caused," and claims that iPhone 4?s wireless performance is the best they have ever shipped.

For all those who are still not fully satisfied with the iPhone 4, they can return their undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund, Apple said.

Despite the complaints Apple says iPhone 4 is its most successful phone launch ever, with sales of 1.7 million by the end of June 26.

Doesn't really explain why holding it "wrong" allegedly makes it report the signal more accurately, does it?

as you should expect , apples alg that converts signal strength to analog display errs on the side of hyperbole

The iPhone 4 costs / will cost more than 19,000 Baht. More like the previous high-end (based on True) of 24,500 (16GB) / 28,500 (32GB).

The 19,000 Baht price is only for iPhone 3G (not even 3GS), which is a waste of money.

No need to mislead any more than you already do, regardless if you're trying to do so in Apple's favor - they don't need trolls lying for them...

While there are already iPhone 4s available at MBK, I would wait until TRUE and AIS carry them legitimately.

I forgot to share these other screen shots with yawl.





and other reviews by users.

“Keep getting the “no sim card installed” error. phone works for a bit then go to check my email and the error has come up. shut the phone off and turn back on and the sim card is found then a half of an hour later the same error comes up again. this has happened 5 times in the last 5 hours.”

Jeremy T said at 6:00 AM on June 30th, 2010: Waited in line all morning for my iPhone 4 32g. Spent the day charging it and restoring all the data. As of this morning the phone reads “No Sim”. I restart it, the problem is fixed only to read “No Sim” a few minutes later.
From day one the phone doesn’t work for me. I’m more upset that this is a known and uncorrected issue by apple. With the phone shortage I wonder how long I’ll have to go without a phone now.
I suppose I’ll have to return it on my lunch break. How very disappointing.

Rick C FL said at 4:20 PM on July 1st, 2010: Insane!!! It is a daily event four to five times a day. Maybe apple launched this product too soon!!! I’m about to dump it!! Nothing fixes it!! And apple does not care!! I’m also going to pick a fight with apple and ATT if they charge me a restocking fee!!! I want my 3GS back!!!!

Steeg

Member Since: Jun 24, 2010



iPhone 4 reports "NO SIM
Had similar experience. But did not have your luck.

Activation went well. Calls successful.
About an hour later No SIM.
Powered off and on.
Found SIM then 5 minutes later No SIM.
Took out SIM tray and replaced. No SIM.
Had AT&T replace the SIM. Worked for 1 hour then No SIM.
Powered off and on. Worked for 5 minutes then No SIM
AT&T indicated that it is an Apple support issue at this point.
Will call them tomorrow.

No SIM card installed.... WTH...


Anyone else having this issue.... phone worked fine for about a day and half and then "POOF", I get the [COLOR=#446D9F ! important][COLOR=#446D9F ! important]error [COLOR=#446D9F ! important]message[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]
, "No SIM card installed" error. Took it to ATT, they replaced the SIM card, it worked for a few minutes and then the same thing again. They got it back up and running and it lasted until late this afternoon and now the problem is back again... Nice to pay hundreds of dollars for a paperweight... We'll see how apple handles this, or if they'll blame it on AT[at]T...

spiderguy84
macrumors regular


Join Date: Nov 2009


Happened to me as well. My wife also had a new iPhone so we switched sims to see if it would work. Whatever sim is in my iPhone will usually say no sim

Digglez
macrumors newbie


Join Date: Jun 2010


My girlfriend is having the same problem. The only solution for her is to re-insert the sim tray. The error happens quite frequently. I would say 15 minutes of use tops. I wish there was some sort of DIY solution to tide her over until replacement units are available.

This is her first iPhone and she has been counting down the days since the keynote. Unfortunately her excitement was abruptly dampened by a device that cannot be held with her left hand, cannot be used for more than 15 minutes at a time and cannot touch her face because the proximity sensor does not work half of the time.

Update: I spoke with an apple rep who said that they are unaware of any sim problems, and that a restore would probably do the trick. We tried that last night to no avail..... I guess we will be waiting a month or so until these things are readily available.

This last one is the perfect example.

Why can't Apple fans just return the thing? Get another phone?