Thread: New iPhone - It's Wonderful!

I wonder why this thread has turned into a ridiculous troll fest.

Oh wait, I guess it was a ridiculous troll fest from the very beginning.

Originally Posted by nikster

I wonder why this thread has turned into a ridiculous troll fest.

Oh wait, I guess it was a ridiculous troll fest from the very beginning.

DING, DING, DING, DING!!!!!

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

DING, DING, DING, DING!!!!!

Software absolutely CAN solve hardware problems, in many cases. In fact the software is completely written to work with hardware design, and software can be adjusted to better perform with any given hardware. This is absolutely true 100% of the time. Software and Hardware work together.

It remains to be seen whether or not software will FIX this particular problem. But at a bare minimum, software WILL be able to reduce the impact of the problem - and that may be enough to make it a non issue.

The entire signal process is digital, and is controlled by software. That software can be adjusted to match what is happening with the hardware. The iPhone 4 radio software is doing several new things which have not been done before. How and what they are doing will be tweaked as Apple learns more about the phone's real-world performance.

Will a software fix completely get rid of the problem? While that is possible, I seriously doubt that in this case software will completely solve the problem. But I do believe that software will mitigate the issue to where it is almost non-existent.

Apple changing the signal display has nothing to do with the real signal problem - but will help people better understand what is really happening with their signal. But if *all* they were doing was adjusting the way the bars are calculated, they would have had the patch out already. I think the fact that it is taking longer to get a patch out implies that they are working on more in-depth software adjustments that they are not going to release in a press statement or tell AppleCare to get chatty about.

Software will improve the situation.

I find it funny that people think Apple is doing nothing about this. They probably have had people working 20 hour days on this problem since June 22nd when it was first exposed - probably earlier in fact. Do you people think the Apple iPhone engineers just sit around and count money all day? They are real engineers who take pride in their work and work very hard to make good products.

You make a phone that does what the iPhone does and sell it to 2 million people in a weekend and see if it is completely bug free on the first shot!

This whole thing is *exactly* why companies make software updatable

I got the iphone 4 - I have had absolutely probem whatsoever with reception. I mst say it is a fantastic little gadget.

it does look quite nice I have to admit, the only thing that stops me is the history of apple in supporting their gadgets when they start to fail

I hope you got the "extended warranty"

I thought you bought one already? Oh, right, you lied.

Blake7, glad to hear you like it.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

I thought you bought one already? Oh, right, you lied.

almost did but wanted to see Blake7 first, and now with the antenna problem, it's another argument against it.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

They probably have had people working 20 hour days on this problem

They should start being serious about the problem, there is 24 hours in a day.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Software absolutely CAN solve hardware problems, in many cases. In fact the software is completely written to work with hardware design, and software can be adjusted to better perform with any given hardware. This is absolutely true 100% of the time. Software and Hardware work together.

It remains to be seen whether or not software will FIX this particular problem. But at a bare minimum, software WILL be able to reduce the impact of the problem - and that may be enough to make it a non issue.

The entire signal process is digital, and is controlled by software. That software can be adjusted to match what is happening with the hardware. The iPhone 4 radio software is doing several new things which have not been done before. How and what they are doing will be tweaked as Apple learns more about the phone's real-world performance.

Will a software fix completely get rid of the problem? While that is possible, I seriously doubt that in this case software will completely solve the problem. But I do believe that software will mitigate the issue to where it is almost non-existent.

Apple changing the signal display has nothing to do with the real signal problem - but will help people better understand what is really happening with their signal. But if *all* they were doing was adjusting the way the bars are calculated, they would have had the patch out already. I think the fact that it is taking longer to get a patch out implies that they are working on more in-depth software adjustments that they are not going to release in a press statement or tell AppleCare to get chatty about.

Software will improve the situation.

I find it funny that people think Apple is doing nothing about this. They probably have had people working 20 hour days on this problem since June 22nd when it was first exposed - probably earlier in fact. Do you people think the Apple iPhone engineers just sit around and count money all day? They are real engineers who take pride in their work and work very hard to make good products.

You make a phone that does what the iPhone does and sell it to 2 million people in a weekend and see if it is completely bug free on the first shot!

This whole thing is *exactly* why companies make software updatable

Consumer Reports has a high tech solution to the problem, duct tape.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/12/tech...n_bin&hpt=Sbin

Ah bless him, Steve is censoring the forums again so no-one can read the bad news about his iPhone 4:

The seemingly unending saga of the iPhone 4 antenna issues has grown yet again. After a negative report from Consumer Reports, Apple has apparently deleted all threads about the findings from its popular Support Discussions forums. As Kent German reported earlier today, Consumer Reports has issued their official stance on iPhone 4 and they can't recommend it.

Moderators for Apple's Support Discussions forums quickly deleted growing threads discussing the Consumer Reports articles.

Never mind, here's *more info on* what Consumer Reports said:

SAN FRANCISCO: Consumer Reports said it cannot recommend Apple's iPhone 4 to buyers after tests confirmed the device's well-publicised reception glitches.

It added that that AT&T Inc, the exclusive mobile phone carrier for the iPhone 4, was not necessarily the main culprit.

The influential nonprofit organisation, which publishes guides on everything from cars to TVs, said in a report that it also tested other phones -- including the iPhone 3GS and Palm Pre -- and found none had the signal-loss problems of Apple's latest iPhone.

The report was the latest blow to the iPhone 4, which sold 1.7 million units in its first three days on the market but has been plagued by complaints of poor reception. Many of the complaints involve a wraparound antenna whose signal strength is said to be affected if touched in a certain way.

Kaufman Bros analyst Shaw Wu said he was surprised by the stance that Consumer Reports took on the new iPhone. Wu noted that the group's recommendations are used as a guide by many consumers.

"Consumer reports is a respected publication. This could have an impact on iPhone sales," Wu said. Apple shares were down 1 per cent at $257.06 on Monday afternoon on the Nasdaq.

Blimey, must be a respected publication to knock 1% off Apple's share price in a day.

And more good news for iPhone lovers in the USA:

t was not a good day for Apple and AT&T as a federal Judge applied the class action status to lawsuit against the two companies. Both iPhone maker and iPhone exclusive carrier are facing the suite <sic> against the practice of locking the most popular smart-phone to only one carrier in the country. According to AP report, first lawsuit was filed several months after the release of first generation iPhone however amended complaint was filed in the mid of 2008.
The iPhone exclusivity contract between Apple and AT&T is considered as a biggest hurdle in the launching of Verizon iPhone. However there are other reports which are indicating that Apple, Verizon and AT&T have already worked out for the issue. Reports are indicating that Apple will release Verizon iPhone in the first month of 2011. Some think that T-Mobile iPhone and Sprint iPhone may also follow the Verizon iPhone.

Read more: Verizon iPhone 4 update: Judge approves class action against Apple and AT&T | Sindh Today News

That censored Apple forum thread in full:

Apple - Support - Discussions - Consumer Reports puts the smackdown on ...

Attention all iPhone 4 lovers!

In the UK you can get a FREE bumper case! Yes, completely free!

Free iPhone 4 Case for Death Grip Sufferers | Mobile Fun Blog

(N.B. Small print: Royal mail 1st class post is 41p and the c*nts are charging you GBP2.50. Yes, you gullible tossers, you're paying for it).

It just gets worse for Apple. Dear me.

While the iPhone 4 may be getting all the attention with its antenna issue, all other iPhones are facing another issue with iOS 4. While at first thought to be a teething issue with older iPhones and iOS 4, it appears that the new OS is thrashing battery life for previous generations of iPhones.

According to Apple support forum user Calgarystar, there is a thread on Apple’s own support forums discussing the issue. On the 31 page forum post, users are complaining that their battery life is dropping at far higher rates than with iOS 3.

While one might first think that the users are running background apps and that’s draining the battery, users are saying that they have removed all running applications with no change in battery drain. “There is something seriously wrong with this update. I have my phone in sleep for about 10 min and the battery went down 4% more.”.

There have been a wide range of potential issues from phones being stuck trying to tether to possible applications not truly being killed when taken out of the multi-tasking stage. “ I just went back in there and hung in until it connected with ATT (and told me to contact ATT if I wanted to add tethering..duh) and I hit 'cancel' and the activity finally stopped”.

The battery life issue has become far too widespread for it to be isolated to a select group of users. As Apple has yet to publicly comment on the issue and there is no known fix (for the masses), iPhone users are forced to wait for an official update to get the issue resolved.

Now I can see why the share price is wobbling.

What can I say I'm on a roll.

Do you lay awake at night thinking how terrible Apple and their iPhones are? Because you certainly do give the impression of that kind of obsessiveness.

Heck, I just like the products they make, and by proxy, the company. You, on the other, really just loathingly hate, with a seething obsession, all things Apple?

What happened to you, I wonder? Girlfriend ran away with a Mac user, because he had more style tan you, or something equally childish to provoke your seething hatred?

No, just the beauty of a spare hour in the office and decent newscrawler.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

No, just the beauty of a spare hour in the office and decent newscrawler.]

To copy and paste all the blog links and references, that you get all your 'information' from?

Of course.

That still doesn't explain your anger management issues, though...

Oh no, I've read every one of them from beginning to end and they all support my assertions that the iPhone 4 is a piece of crap.

But I do believe someone has solved the "death grip" problem.

I suspect you've probably already mastered this one:

So, about that vociferous anger issue. It's jealousy, right?

I mean, I can understand, some people on fixed incomes can't afford an iPhone, but still, you just gotta be satisfied with what you have. Right?

You're right, I must try and be more positive. Here is a well balanced article for iPhone users if they are considering an alternative.

Especially if they believe all the lies Jobs tells them and foolishly wait until their 30 days are up and find they can't return their defective iPhone 4.

Jumping Ship from iPhone to Android: A Switcher's Guide

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're right, I must try and be more positive.
(...)
Especially if they believe all the lies Jobs tells them and foolishly wait until their 30 days are up and find they can't return their defective iPhone 4.

Uh... huh .... you just can't bring yourself to do it, can you?

Damn, what's it like to live with such all consuming hatred and jealousy?

But Daffy, everyone knows Jobs is lying through his teeth and won't admit a very basic design flaw.

What's so hard to understand?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But Daffy, everyone knows Jobs is lying through his teeth and won't admit a very basic design flaw.

What's so hard to understand?

Lots of denial coming from you there. The sooner you realize your problem, the sooner you can start to get well.