Thread: iPAD vs Tablet PC: Forget the iPAD

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Any other similar product available today 14.06.2010 ? If not fuck off and respect the work of a great company.

Oh, but don't you know, some time in the future, some company will have product that does something. It won't be better, but it will have specs that read better on paper, and that'll make Mr.Barracuda's mouth all frothy.

Even if the product gets cancelled, or ends up sucking.

Originally Posted by Reniak

Obviouse that are arguments of people never really used this products or not well informed about them.

You pretty much just defined Barracuda... he has no idea what he's talking about, he has never used any of the products, yet he *knows* what's better... I just laugh.

I can't speak for Daffy - he just rages when anyone knocks his beloved Apple - but I have played around with the iPhone and I prefer my Android phone at present. And I'm looking forward to upgrading it to 2.2.

Actually Reniak, I did like the (fair) comment about housewife iPhone users not needing multitasking. They only do one thing at a time anyway. Take a picture. Send it to someone. and so on.

I've recommended Opera mini ever since it came out. If nothing else, it saves a fortune on data plans if you pay per Mb.

I use it in preference to any phone browser, even if there are a few pages it doesn't render quite properly.

Jow Wilcox is an avowed anti-Apple author (must be a favorite of Butters, I bet, and I'm sure he's on Barracuda's, and MrFred's reading lists).

Interesting article of his. Why don't you check it out, read it, and hop back here to discuss:

I was wrong about Apple iPad

It's an interesting article, not only because Wilcox willingly admits that he was wrong (kudos for admitting that, most pundits won't), but also insofar as he recounts how his opinion changed from dismissing the iPad (before he ever used one), to how owning and using one has changed his perspective profoundly (are you paying attention, Barracuda?).

On the other hand, it's also telling that he spent the prior 6 months disparaging iPad, before he even so much as touched one, which reflects the same disparaging, zealous and uninformed attitude exhibited by others on this thread (barracuda, MrFred, Marmite - Butterfly doesn't even count in that, though), who mindlessly spout off their copied and pasted scripts, while not even having so much as looked at the device, nor probably wanting to do so, ever). Compare to, for example, Little Chuchok's experience in this thread, who *did* experience iPad, and his comments.

Now, let's compare that to the article - some good excerpts from the article:

Some quick background: I bought an iPad on April 17th; earlier, I gave 12 reasons why I wouldn't. One reason for buying outweighed the 12 for not: The need to test the tablet so I could write more authoritatively about it. Apple most assuredly wouldn't send me a review unit; I don't pucker up and kiss PR butt with loving soliloquies about how great are Apple products -- although this post is about as close as there may be for a long time. On May 24th, I sold the 64GB iPad to a friend for a little less than what I paid for it. He since bought two more iPads (one 3G). But I missed the iPad and couldn't quite say why at first. I didn't need the device. Functionally, iPad overlapped with smartphone and laptop.

I was wrong. On further reflection, I realized that iPad offers fresh functionality: Immersion. I find there are fewer reading distractions, and content is better presented than on a laptop and browser. I'm more focused and retain more of what I read. For reasons not easily explained, I find myself more thoroughly reading iBooks than defaulting to the skimming I sometimes do with physical books. Part of this immersive experience is the technology, but also how iPad is used. Apple's tablet is a sit down and focus device, as much because of size and shape as screen and user interface. The totality -- physical design and software benefits -- is immersion.

On June 10, I bought another 64GB iPad.

and

Apple marketing material makes audacious claims: "iPad is the best way to experience the Web" and "the Safari Web browser on iPad puts the Internet in your hands -- literally." Most any smartphone manufacturer, including Apple, could make similar claims. Surely, most anyone using a personal computer has experienced the Web.

I initially dismissed these claims as marketing fluff, but on reconsideration actually see meaning to them. There is something immersive about consuming content on iPad that does change the Web experience -- and that of other media.

Yes, I have an iPad, and an iPhone. I also have used WinMo, and Android phones (both from friends, and at work, where we get toys to play with), and have used lots of Nokia phones in the past - so, I tend to think I do have a pretty good idea what I am talking about (especially since doing so is part of my relatively well-paid job) - yet, all I see from the kind of guys who bash Apple tech, is a small vocal club of people who have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

Why is that?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Yes, I have an iPad, and an iPhone. I also have used WinMo, and Android phones (both from friends, and at work, where we get toys to play with), and have used lots of Nokia phones in the past - so, I tend to think I do have a pretty good idea what I am talking about (especially since doing so is part of my relatively well-paid job) - yet, all I see from the kind of guys who bash Apple tech, is a small vocal club of people who have absolutely no clue what they are talking about.

Why is that?

'Cos you keep putting everyone who disagrees with you on ignore?

Originally Posted by slackula

Give me a Unix (or Unix-like) OS or give me death!

I'm actually very happy with Win 7 on laptops. Vaaaaaast improvement on XP and Vista.

Works well on Netbooks, too.

I'm currently playing with the new Sidux, has a few wrinkles but nice enough.

Originally Posted by slackula

...start posting crapola all over the threads about all Apple stuff (not saying that you do this).

He does - and regarding the other idiots, I see very little reason to waste my time with uneducated luddites, who are only trolling.

I'm more than willing to engage in rational discourse over the pros and cons of any given platform, but if the other side's entire counter argument boils down to :

- you're gay for liking your platform
- you're only falling for Apple's marketing
- crApple iz crApptard toyzzzz

Then I am better served to place useless people on ignore.

Originally Posted by slackula

XP is quite probbably the worst OS released since Win ME.

I'll see your Windows XP, and I raise you Microsoft Bob.

I'll see your Windows XP, and I raise you Microsoft Bob.

<Throws cards away in disgust>

Originally Posted by slackula

It is a tad tiresome to be repeatedly called gay (NTTAWWT) or retarded because I happen to be posting my comments from my Mac, especially by people who think WinXP is the bee's knees.. XP is quite probbably the worst OS released since Win ME.

in all fairness, it's a bit tiring to listen to Steve Jobs minions going on endlessly how everything they have is superior and cool (and gay). It show a poor ego and the character nature of those minions. Mind you, the wintards used to be as annoying back in the win95 days, but they seemed to have grown more mature now or maybe they moved onto Linux or became mactards themselves. You hardly hear cheering from the MStards anymore, except in the win Developer community, and they used to be everywhere but now they are the exception. The mactards have really taken over in the ridicule department. I mean, listen to Quack Quack, he is a fucking 24/7 comedy channel for the PC tards

The unfortunate think (I see Butterfly is on a posting roll again, all through all threads) is that this Algerian bachiboozook can't even enjoy himself, and have fun -- he truly must lead a sad and lonely life (well, anyone falling through his own ceiling would pretty much be a poster boy for that).

The unfortunate think (I see Butterfly is on a posting roll again, all through all threads) is that this Algerian bachiboozook can't even enjoy himself, and have fun -- he truly must lead a sad and lonely life (well, anyone falling through his own ceiling would pretty much be a poster boy for that).

It's the last resort of those losing an argument: Hitting the player instead of the ball.

A common trait amongst iTurds.

Butters is right. There are many people who drool at every word Jobs comes out with, some to the point where they will stand outside a shop at midnight waiting for his latest toy, with a credit card in one hand and their cock in the other.

A marketers dream. You don't even need to sell the shit to them.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

A marketers dream. You don't even need to sell the shit to them.

people are sheep, and the apple products is a good reminder of that

reminds me of the 80s,

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

some to the point where they will stand outside a shop at midnight waiting for his latest toy,

Weren't there queues of people lined up to buy Vista? I tried googling it but unfortunately all the hits for various combinations of "queue to buy vista" come up with hints to fix Vista print queue problems or queues of people to buy Win 7 to get the hell away from Vista!

Let's not forget those woefully feeble Win 7 launch parties, that was like saying "Please Sir, may I have some more?" after getting the shaft from Fista.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

people are sheep, and the apple products is a good reminder of that
reminds me of the 80s,

Did the sheep fetish come before or after the predilection for ladyboys?

Originally Posted by slackula

Let's not forget those woefully feeble Win 7 launch parties, that was like saying "Please Sir, may I have some more?" after getting the shaft from Fista.

I think they were trying to follow apple example of "creative advertising"

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I think they were trying to follow apple"

I was talking about the Microsoft Win 7 launch parties, not the Microsoft operating systems.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

A common trait amongst iTurds.

So, can we call you iTurd, then? You seem adept at that.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Butters is right. There are many people who drool at every word Jobs comes out with, some to the point where they will stand outside a shop at midnight waiting for his latest toy, with a credit card in one hand and their cock in the other.

A marketers dream. You don't even need to sell the shit to them.

See, there you go again - you just can't help yourself, can you? No worries, a common trait amongst the incompetent and uneducated -- trolling, and detracting things they have no experiences with.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

A common trait amongst iTurds.

So, can we call you iTurd, then? You seem adept at that.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Butters is right. There are many people who drool at every word Jobs comes out with, some to the point where they will stand outside a shop at midnight waiting for his latest toy, with a credit card in one hand and their cock in the other.

A marketers dream. You don't even need to sell the shit to them.

See, there you go again - you just can't help yourself, can you? No worries, a common trait amongst the incompetent and uneducated -- trolling, and detracting things they have no experiences with.

I fear you have nothing to say but attempted smart-arsed jibes.

Put me on ignore you boring f*ckwit.

First, the i-pad is a nice device. I played with one in a Best Buy for a bit and they seem fine to me.


I have been thinking about getting an e-reader for some time but decided to wait to see what the tablet world was going to do. Apple was first to get a solid unit to market, followed by various china knock offs that are much slower. I was never a big Apple fan mostly because of the elitist attitude mac users and I-phone users have. I’m just an average guy and I don’t have a ton of money to spend on toys so I started looking in earnest for an affordable toy that I can read books on. I want to surf the web, with flash, play a few games and perhaps even talk to a friend with it. After looking I decided to wait for the Android tablets. Apps used for smart phones can be used on a droid-tab just like apples apps on the I-pad/phone, open source is nice, meaning more people can write apps and make contributions. It seems like a good idea for future growth to me. Perhaps a7 inch pad so it could fit in my inner jacket pocket; not having to carry a case is nice but, I guess I could if after looking one over it appears too small.

I found a few sites that are all about these new tablets, Linked:
BestTabletReview.com
Tablets Planet

There are more but I'll let you gents, and ladies, look for yourselves.

I see the appeal of a portable screen for movies, reading books and general goofing off. It won’t replace my laptop but would be a lot easier to take on a plane. I can leave the laptop in my baggage and still be connected. ( Or read while the wife shops...)

Me, I'll wait a bit more to see what hits the market, find one with a good price then buy it as a present to myself. In the mean time I still have my laptop and phone.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I fear you have nothing to say but attempted smart-arsed jibes.

Put me on ignore you boring f*ckwit.

Oh, I understand, you are just trying to weasel out of having to provide an answer that you aren't able to. Flounce by proxy.

Duly noted.

^ Agreed, it will certainly be interesting to see what products hit the market over the next year.