Thread: iPAD vs Tablet PC: Forget the iPAD

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Let me clarify: affordable, certainly, but next to useless to me.

Great, so buy something else. Pretty simple. Doesn't mean it's pretty useless to a lot of others. 3 million in 90 days says otherwise.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

And judging by the fact that Netbooks shift about 10million a quarter, I'm obviously not the only one.

Shrinking.... *because* of iPad.

State of them Netbooks – May 2010 | Acer Review, Asus Review - Netbook 10

Apple iPad Sales Slowing Down Netbook Sales | Eee PC - Blog

hp announced abandoning the netbook market within a week of iPad going on sale.

The study pointed out that sometime in January, sales figures for netbooks decreased significantly. This was the time when Apple announced about the iPad. Although, it’s not really quite certain whether this affected netbooks’ sales, the shrinking trend re-appeared in April, just in time when Apple released the iPad.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I fail to understand why merely pointing out the deficiencies in a product is being "insecure"?

You suck at passive-aggressive arguments almost as badly as emo women do.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

A first look at Meego 1.1 for tablets...

Oh too funny -- this is just asking to collapse.

It's Nokia, so you know it'll go nowhere.

iPad triples tablet sales in Europe as PC prices go back up

iPad triples tablet sales in Europe as PC prices go back up

The iPad nearly tripled sales of tablets in Europe during just its first month on sale, Context Research estimated this week. Apple's tablet was only available from May 28 in the continent, but by itself grew the market by 257 percent. The figure is one of the few specific to the continent and suggests that the combined Windows tablet PC market in Europe for spring was well below the hundreds of thousands of iPads likely to have been sold.

Analysts also noted that the season saw a rare rebound in otherwise falling computer prices. The typical cost of a computer increased three percent to 457 euros ($577) and may also have had an Apple influence. Gains were credited partly to better sales of "higher priced all-in-one consumer PCs," of which Apple is usually considered the leader through the iMac. Most other all-in-ones on sale today include HP's TouchSmart line, some Sony VAIO desktops, and cheap nettops using Atom processors.

Other factors at play were a renewed interest in typically more expensive corporate notebooks as well as a drop in the value of the euro, forcing prices closer to the US dollar. [via[at]The Register]


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...mine ends with a '4'

Where do I start?

hp announced abandoning the netbook market within a week of iPad going on sale.

What utter bollocks, Daffy. Where do you get this stuff from?

They pulled the Slate, hinting that they will redesign it to use WebOS. Google "HP Mini".

It's Nokia, so you know it'll go nowhere.

Actually, it's Nokia and Intel. You've heard of Intel, right? Small processor company. Make a few chips here and there I hear.

You suck at passive-aggressive arguments almost as badly as emo women do.

And you suck at proving a point, because you always end up having to resort to this pathetic and childish name-calling thinking it makes you look clever. It doesn't. It makes you look like you've run out of ideas.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Where do I start?

hp announced abandoning the netbook market within a week of iPad going on sale.

What utter bollocks, Daffy. Where do you get this stuff from?

They pulled the Slate, hinting that they will redesign it to use WebOS. Google "HP Mini".

HP And Dell Rumored To Drop 10" Netbook Lines (UPDATE: Dell Says "No.") - HotHardware

HP and Dell easing out of the netbook market? | Eee PC - Blog

It's been pretty hot in the news the weeks after iPad shipped. Probably slipped your mind.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You suck at passive-aggressive arguments almost as badly as emo women do.

And you suck at proving a point, because you always end up having to resort to this pathetic and childish name-calling thinking it makes you look clever. It doesn't. It makes you look like you've run out of ideas.

Yeah, truth hurts, doesn't it, especially when you are being called on your BS.

So, you gonna stomp your foot next?

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Where do I start?

hp announced abandoning the netbook market within a week of iPad going on sale.

What utter bollocks, Daffy. Where do you get this stuff from?

They pulled the Slate, hinting that they will redesign it to use WebOS. Google "HP Mini".

HP And Dell Rumored To Drop 10" Netbook Lines (UPDATE: Dell Says "No.") - HotHardware

HP and Dell easing out of the netbook market? | Eee PC - Blog

It's been pretty hot in the news the weeks after iPad shipped. Probably slipped your mind.

Do you even read the shit you post?

UPDATE: Dell has replied directly to Hot Hardware, noting that these rumors are simply false

And Google "HP Mini".

Blog speculation is not fact, Daffy. Any twat can write bullshit, as you've proven once again.

Yeah, truth hurts, doesn't it, especially when you are being called on your BS.

So, you gonna stomp your foot next?

HA! Says Mr. "That's it you're going on my ignore list *pout* *pout*"?

That sexy little netbook I mentioned earlier?

Asus EEE PC 1215N Intel Atom Dual Core Netbook | Daily Digitals Review



Asus just stated it will have an 8+ hour battery life, and will retail in the sandpit for $516 (which means probably cheaper elsewhere).

I am just waiting for them to tell me where I can buy this puppy and I'll bin my HP.

MeeGo keynote address at Akademy 2010

To say you are "redefining the Linux desktop landscape" is a bold claim to make. It is even bolder when presenting a non-KDE project at the annual conference of KDE, one of the leading providers of desktop Linux software. However, that was exactly how Valtteri Halla, Director of Nokia MeeGo Software chose to title his keynote address.

MeeGo is a complete Linux-based operating system born out of the merger of Nokia's Maemo for mobile smart phones and Intel's Moblin for Atom-powered netbooks. However, as Valtteri explained, it has aims far beyond phones and netbooks and should provide a single platform for deploying software across a range of devices all the way up to media centers. This makes MeeGo of particular interest to KDE as KDE's Plasma workspace technology was designed with exactly this in mind: supporting the full spectrum of devices with the same code base.

So, what makes MeeGo special? Valtteri claims a number of strengths. It is compatible with both ARM and Intel Atom processor architectures and, while the MeeGo platform is free, it also allows deployment of proprietary user-facing applications. For the lower-level software the GPL or LGPL is preferred, while BSD-like licenses allow easy mixing with proprietary software within the user interface. There is no need for contributors to assign any rights to MeeGo beyond those contained in whichever Open Source Initiative (OSI) approved license is chosen. This open nature gives device manufactures much greater access to the software stack to allow tight integration with their hardware.

So far, so technical, and not very much to do with KDE. Valtteri made a point that went down well: MeeGo has a policy of only accepting software that is either already being used by the projects on which MeeGo is based, or which is in the process of being integrated into those projects. Therefore, if MeeGo improves some of the software it uses then the original project also benefits. This has helped KDE already as Nokia has adapted KDE's KOffice applications to make a mobile office viewer application, fixing bugs in KOffice and improving its handling of Microsoft's document formats at the same time. The office viewer has already been downloaded over thirty thousand times.

Valtteri sees a bright future for MeeGo. Apple has had great early success with its iPhone platform, but Linux-based devices are rapidly catching up. Google's Android is already more popular than the iPhone in some markets and likely to gain an overall lead soon if current trends continue. With the support of Nokia and Intel, MeeGo looks set to quickly become a serious competitor. Valtteri believes MeeGo's independence from vendors (it is hosted by the Linux Foundation) and close cooperation with other free software projects can make it even more appealing than Android for hardware manufacturers. With two strong Linux-based communities, it is hard to argue with Valtteri's assertion that "Linux is taking over in smart phones". Whatever the outcome, that is a great thing to hear from a senior employee of the world's largest mobile phone vendor.

The KDE conference attendees reacted enthusiastically and are already starting to take advantage of the possibilities offered by MeeGo. KDE's Marble desktop globe is running (at least experimentally) on MeeGo and, with built-in route planning using OpenStreetMap, offers the possibility of a completely free personal navigation device. Prototype versions of KDE's email and calendaring software are also already working well on the mobile platform and there is ongoing work on the Plasma Mobile workspace for smart phones, complementing KDE's existing Plasma Desktop and Plasma Netbook offerings.

Having Valtteri present, with many other people from Nokia and Intel, has been a great opportunity for KDE to present their solutions to issues that MeeGo will also have to address. The Intel and Nokia representatives did not just come to give their presentations, but also stayed around and had many meetings with KDE developers to share ideas and experiences.

There is, of course, a lot of work ahead. However, MeeGo gains from building upon the work of projects such as KDE, Qt and the Linux kernel. Valtteri was able to say that MeeGo benefits from the work of well over 1,000 upstream contributors and thousands of software developers building applications on Qt will be able to easily deploy their applications on MeeGo. In short, MeeGo draws upon the "largest open source platform talent pool in the planet".

Meego makes me sad. So much potential, too late in the game, and sure to be squandered and mismanaged by Nokia. The one thing they are good at, lately.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Meego makes me sad. So much potential, too late in the game, and sure to be squandered and mismanaged by Nokia. The one thing they are good at, lately.

I would agree were Nokia the only player involved. But Intel have their own agenda, and I would imagines Smartphones are something that interest them the least.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I would agree were Nokia the only player involved. But Intel have their own agenda, and I would imagines Smartphones are something that interest them the least.

You *really* don't know intel's involvement in Meego, do you?

Do you really think that having the 'intel' name on the project means that intel is gung ho involved?

Intel 'contributed' the moblin project, to have it merged with Nokia's Maemo = Meego.

Nokia desperately needed an mobile solution, and intel conveniently wanted to extricate themselves from Moblin. Mission accomplished.

If that wasn't enough to measure the level to which Meego is doomed, it will be hosted by the Linux Foundation (and I hope that's the limit of its involvement).

Trust me, this is just Nokia being involved, once all the pretty releases have been forgotten.

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I would agree were Nokia the only player involved. But Intel have their own agenda, and I would imagines Smartphones are something that interest them the least.

You *really* don't know intel's involvement in Meego, do you?

Do you really think that having the 'intel' name on the project means that intel is gung ho involved?

Intel 'contributed' the moblin project, to have it merged with Nokia's Maemo = Meego.

Nokia desperately needed an mobile solution, and intel conveniently wanted to extricate themselves from Moblin. Mission accomplished.

If that wasn't enough to measure the level to which Meego is doomed, it will be hosted by the Linux Foundation (and I hope that's the limit of its involvement).

Trust me, this is just Nokia being involved, once all the pretty releases have been forgotten.

Intel wanted to extricate themselves from Moblin? Then why not just drop it?

Admit it, you've been reading the first paragraph of another blog post and you're quoting it as fact again, aren't you?

Sometimes I think you have your tongue so far up Steve Job's arse that you don't bother to believe that other platforms exist, or if you do, you're mentally blocking them out.

Neither Maemo nor Moblin on their own were going to win in a battle for a truly Mobile OS. Working together is a great fit for both companies.

You probably will try and argue that I(diot)OS is the best thing since sliced bread, but that is of course only true of you are dumb enough *only* to buy Apple shit.

Come on Daffy, show me the link to the Apple fanboi blog that said Intel are trying to dump Moblin onto Nokia.

Whatever. Look, dude, I think it's pretty obvious that you have very limited understanding of the dynamics of the tech world, and particularly the dynamics of the players involved, so I'm not going to continued wasting my time, when every one of your arguments boils down to "crApple customers are dumbshits with money, stupid enough to buy Apple shit".

Meego will go nowhere, mostly because of Nokia; intel doesn't care about it one way or the other - it was just another of those reference products that they lent weight to, in order to court the Linux fanbois.

Android is a decent mobile OS (and another reason why Meego will go nowhere), though Google's "throw shit against the wall and see what sticks" management will cause it to take numerous more years to establish itself. In the meantime, itself will make no money for Google (it is not intended to), and Android licensees are making razor thin margins on their products - albeit better margins than when/if they have to license WinMo. Android's true target is the overtaking of the WinMo market (ie stealing all of Microsoft's marketshare) which they managed to successfully do after less than 2 years. This is a market segment that Apple is not (yet) interested in. There will be some dramatic changes in the next 1-2 years, which will give the Android licensees a serious run for the money(*) -- which Google does not care about.

WebOS (Palm) is the only dark horse in all of this - if hp/Rubinstein play their cards right, it could become a serious contender, and competitor -- if only because it is driven by a CEO who has something to prove - albeit Ruby's axe to grind with Steve Jobs may yet be his undoing.

(*) Apple currently only cares about the high-end of the market, just as they did with the iPod initially, but at one point during the next 1-2 years, two dramatic and disruptive changes will change the game, again:

- around 2012, Verizon will get the iPhone. Well, actually, *everyone* will get the iPhone, as AT&T's exclusivity will be over, and the LTE standard will be entrenched and expanding across the US, will all 4 carriers supporting it. A non-exclusive iPhone will work on Verizon (and Sprint, and T-Mobile), and this is also the time that all current 2-year contracts will be expiring for existing Android customers (and, let's face it, those are the consumers who opted for Android only because Verizon didn't have the iPhone), and they will be free to buy an iPhone and activate it on Verizon.

- when Apple will be releasing a low-end iPhone handset, priced around $100-$200, *unsubsidized*, with the capabilities somewhere between the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4, yet using the then current technologies and leveraging Apple's economies of scale. This $100 iPhone won't be so much geared towards the US market (albeit it will do well there), but rather to developing markets in Asia, and Europe - i.e. all the ones that currently Nokia lays claim to, yet by then Nokia will have continue their inexorable death spiral, with Symbian fading into insignificance.

...and that's how it will be.

Whatever. Look, dude, I think it's pretty obvious that you have very limited understanding of the dynamics of the tech world,

I only got to this bit. Blah Blah Blah. You're full of shit and get all of your info off blogs.

Stuff a sock in it you boring old fart.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Whatever. Look, dude, I think it's pretty obvious that you have very limited understanding of the dynamics of the tech world,

I only got to this bit. Blah Blah Blah. You're full of shit and get all of your info off blogs.

Stuff a sock in it you boring old fart.

Too funny, that's the response of someone who realizes they've lost.

Originally Posted by Dug

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Whatever. Look, dude, I think it's pretty obvious that you have very limited understanding of the dynamics of the tech world,

I only got to this bit. Blah Blah Blah. You're full of shit and get all of your info off blogs.

Stuff a sock in it you boring old fart.

Too funny, that's the response of someone who realizes they've lost.

If losing is giving up trying to debate with someone coming out with the same tired old tosh desperately scrabbled off blogs which he doesn't even bother to read properly, I admit defeat.

I have my limits you know.

Interesting comments on Blackberry, re the possibility of a new OS and an iPad rival!

BlackBerry faces stormy AGM as Apple, Google mount pressure
Irish Sun
Tuesday 13th July, 2010
(IANS)

With Apple's iPhone and Google's Android-driven devices fast cutting into its supremacy in the global smartphone market, BlackBerry maker Research In Motion (RIM) faces a stormy annual meeting Tuesday.

Based at Waterloo near here, the RIM's BlackBerry still holds about 41 percent share of the smartphone platform, followed by Apple's iPhone 24.4 percent , Microsoft's Windows 13.2 percent, and Google's Android 13 percent, according to figures available till the end of May.

But with Apple's iPhone4 and new devices with Google's Android operating system entering the market since May, the pressure is mounting on the global wireless giant to maintain its position in the highly competitive smartphone market.

According to reports, it is going to be a watershed meeting as shareholders will pressure the BlackBerry maker to outline its 'game-changing' response as Apple's iPhone threatens its number position in the market.

'The perception out there is that Apple is, you know, eating your lunch. What are you going to do about it? What is your plan of attack,' a smartphone market analyst was quoted as saying Monday.

According to a Forbes report in March, iPhone is set to overtake the Canadian icon by early next year. But equally worrying for the BlackBerry maker is the mass appeal of devices with Google's Android operating system.

To meet the challenge, the BlackBerry maker is likely to unveil a new touchscreen phone with a sliding keyboard, and a new operating system and Internet browser soon.

It is also planning a tablet to compete with Apple's iPad. Likely to be launched in December, this first non-hand-held device from the BlackBerry maker will have no mobile networking but will connect to its smart phone devices through Bluetooth or Wi-Fi.

Apple's iPad, which was launched April 3 in the US and nine more markets - Canada, Britain, Germany, Australia, France, Italy, Spain, Switzerland and Japan - May 28, has already sold more than million devices <sic>.

According to estimates, Apple is likely to sell 18 million iPads in fiscal year 2010.

Originally Posted by Dug

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Whatever. Look, dude, I think it's pretty obvious that you have very limited understanding of the dynamics of the tech world,

I only got to this bit. Blah Blah Blah. You're full of shit and get all of your info off blogs.

Stuff a sock in it you boring old fart.

Too funny, that's the response of someone who realizes they've lost.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I only got to this bit. Blah Blah Blah. You're full of shit and get all of your info off blogs.

Hmmmm....


Source = blog

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

A Toshiba Android Netbook...

The AC100 is a "smartbook", a netbook built with hardware and software more usually found in smartphones. Forget Windows on Intel x86: it runs Android 2.1 on an Nvidia Tegra 250 processor with a 1GHz Arm core (...) He wouldn't commit to a price for the AC100, but hinted it would be toward the lower end of the range for existing netbooks.

Source = blog

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I like, is nice. Make sex explosion.

The tablet features a 1.66GHz Intel Atom N450 processor and both Intel GMA 3150 graphics and NVIDIA ION graphics for handling HD video and 3D graphics acceleration, among other tasks. (...) The tablet ships with Windows 7 Home Premium, Professional, or Ultimate. Pricing starts at $699 Australian, which is about $589 US.

And the ExoPC which should be out in September at around $600:

ExoPC Slate hands-on -- Engadget

Source = blog

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

That sexy little netbook I mentioned earlier?

Asus EEE PC 1215N Intel Atom Dual Core Netbook | Daily Digitals Review Asus just stated it will have an 8+ hour battery life, and will retail in the sandpit for $516 (which means probably cheaper elsewhere).

I am just waiting for them to tell me where I can buy this puppy and I'll bin my HP.

Source = blog

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

MeeGo keynote address at Akademy 2010

To say you are "redefining the Linux desktop landscape" is a bold claim to make. (...) In short, MeeGo draws upon the "largest open source platform talent pool in the planet".

Source = blog

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Interesting comments on Blackberry, re the possibility of a new OS and an iPad rival!

BlackBerry faces stormy AGM as Apple, Google mount pressure

(...) According to estimates, Apple is likely to sell 18 million iPads in fiscal year 2010.[/B]

Uh...huh... yeah, alrighty then....

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yes Daffy, but I read them all the way through, and don't quote them if they actually contradict what I'm trying to say.

Quick, backpedal.... hurry, hurry, hurry....

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I should illustrate for the casual viewer:

Please do, because I was waiting for you to do so...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Your wonderful post of:

HP And Dell Rumored To Drop 10" Netbook Lines (UPDATE: Dell Says "No.") - HotHardware

Containing the unambiguous statement that you missed in your hurry to scramble an argument together:

UPDATE: Dell has replied directly to Hot Hardware, noting that these rumors are simply false

Except that my entire argumentative point was about hp, not Dell, originally. Does any of the links have hp denying anything?

Whoops!

(you really should try harder, or at least get it right, once in a while)

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Yes Daffy, but I read them all the way through, and don't quote them if they actually contradict what I'm trying to say.

Quick, backpedal.... hurry, hurry, hurry....

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I should illustrate for the casual viewer:

Please do, because I was waiting for you to do so...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Your wonderful post of:

HP And Dell Rumored To Drop 10" Netbook Lines (UPDATE: Dell Says "No.") - HotHardware

Containing the unambiguous statement that you missed in your hurry to scramble an argument together:

UPDATE: Dell has replied directly to Hot Hardware, noting that these rumors are simply false

Except that my entire argumentative point was about hp, not Dell, originally. Does any of the links have hp denying anything?

Whoops!

(you really should try harder, or at least get it right, once in a while)

Oh nice one, Daffy.

What was the rumour again?
Mini Laptops & Mini Netbooks | HP

Oh that's right, HP are dropping Netbooks as well.

Uh...huh...

Ok so what does Goldman Sachs think about this? Very simple: The iPad is destroying the netbook market.

Apple's iPad Is Going To Destroy The Netbook Market, Says Goldman (Sorry, Microsoft)

In case you have never heard of Goldman Sachs - they make $Bns every year investing. Even in the depression.

And they have the statistics to prove it, too. Now netbook lovers, brace yourselves, sit down, because this looks really, really nasty.

Here is is - Netbook sales fall off a cliff