Building a web site to win

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 05:08 PM

As there seems to be a lot of threads on this at the moment I thought I would do a thread on an ongoing web site that is going to be built.

So lets get started, this place or places are actual restaurants in Jomtien, the owner has 4 restaurants and wants pages for 3 of them, so it's a real basic 5 page web site, no fancy interactive stuff or anything like that, I mean they are just restaurants for gods sake.

The bad points, his restaurants are called "Umbrella" 1 thru to 4, now Jomtien Umbrella.com would be really easy to get to number 1 in google, but who the fok is going to search for restaurants in Jomtien using the word "Umbrella"?

Got to think of what to use as the domain name as this is going to be the strongest thing you have initially, so lets go for Jomtienrestaurants.com and make the browser show "Umbrella Restaurants", now there are probably a ton of searches every month for "Jomtien Restaurants" and maybe one or 2 per month for "Jomtien Umbrellas".

So whats his first step? He has a real good domain name but has to get the traffic...

He needs to find what his competitors are doing, why are they at the top or in the first page of google, there is a reason why they are and he needs to look at the content, now he is a restaurant serving International food and Thai food, so he has to do searches on those terms to see who he has to beat and what content they have, content is King after the URL, he also needs to google stuff like "Jomtien Pasta" "Jomtien imported steaks" and everything else he wants to be at the top on google and look at those sites that are at the top, and then figure out why they are at the top.

Next post will be about link backs

**jandajoy** · 22-11-2008, 05:14 PM

Good man. I need this. Cheers.

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 05:33 PM

Link backs are important and you can buy like 100 per month for 25 bucks or something stupid like that, do they work? hmmm, probably a little bit but google soon susses they are just a waste of time for link backs and don't credit you with them, proper link backs do work good though, but if you have a restaurant in Jomtien you aint gonna want to do a link back to another restaurant in Jomtien are you, so where to go from there?

Sex sells in Thailand, sex is one of the most googled words in the history of the internet, so the obvious answer is to link exchange with gogo bars in Thailand, they got lots of sex in them

you aint competing with them and they get another link to their site of hoe's for sale

But where else to get link backs? Maybe google "Sign My Guestbook", you sign the top 10 in google and you got some pretty good link backs, maybe hit bigforums .com and sign up in the biggest if they allow the member list to be indexed by google, just stick your homepage in the sign up, loads of ways to do this stuff.

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 05:47 PM

So you got a few pictures that you want to stick on your web site, sv000123.jpg really doesn't do you any good at all, you got to name that photo and also do it in alt text, words are the most important thing on your web site, so foking rename the pic and the alt text, submit it to google and your pic could be on first page.

**jandajoy** · 22-11-2008, 05:52 PM

So why don't you get people to name the pics on here? Given that there's thousands of em.

Or am I am I misunderstanding again.

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 05:54 PM

Lets take a look at some of TeakDoor pages, this one on Australia will never do any good on the search engines, it's just copy and paste text from other sites, the only way it can do good is from link backs, other than that it is just a shite page from the search engines point of view.

**Butterfly** · 22-11-2008, 06:00 PM

I have a project looking to increase traffic to their website, who should I consult DD ?

**jandajoy** · 22-11-2008, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

alt text

Wots that then?

**Butterfly** · 22-11-2008, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

submit it to google

how do you do that ?

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

who should I consult DD

Some ladyboy website?

Anyway lets get back to proper stuff and not chicks with dicks, so domain name, bought by Teakdoor costs you 600baht, you can buy this yourself for 10 dollars and transfer it over to any server you wish, or you can pay us 3,500baht a year and get good server times and no ads etc.

Lets get back to the web site, now it really aint no good for him being on second page, he wants to make some money, second page or no show aint gonna get him the hits and nobody will no his place, that aint very good, this is where content comes into it's own, you can do the generic shite, ie Pattaya 160kms from Bangkok blah foking blah, ok you have to include that in it as you need the hits from Bangkok searches, but how far do you go?

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 06:22 PM

Lets take a quick look at how much this web site will cost, it's a real basic site, 5 pages, all pretty much the same, majority of pictures and text supplied by the customer, now remember this is a low end html site, there aint no fancy frisco frankie stuff, it is just a foking restaurant, ok, buy the domain 600baht, hosting 3,500baht, coding for the 5 pages around 8.000baht, that aint including sorting out the crap pictures, that aint including content, probably at the end of the job it is around the 20k baht mark, thats how much a basic page costs

**klongmaster** · 22-11-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

so it's a real basic 5 page web site

Originally Posted by dirtydog

it is around the 20k baht mark, that's how much a basic page costs

so 5 pages by 20 grand = 100 grand for his new website...right?

**klongmaster** · 22-11-2008, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Originally Posted by dirtydog

alt text

Wots that then?

when you right click on a pic it tells you something...that's alt text...if the web designer is a lazy cvnt he doesn't bother putting anything in here and google can't 'see' the pic...

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by klongmaster

so 5 pages by 20 grand = 100 grand for his new website...right?

Are you drunk again Mr Kiwi?

**klongmaster** · 22-11-2008, 07:23 PM

^read your post again DD...that's what you said...you might have meant 20K per site but you said 20K per page!..

Originally Posted by dirtydog

probably at the end of the job it is around the 20k baht mark, thats how much a basic page costs

**dirtydog** · 22-11-2008, 07:30 PM

No I didn't, also I would like to add that not all Kiwis have sex with sheep, nor do they enjoy and relish sex with sheep too much

**dirtydog** · 23-11-2008, 12:18 AM

So whats the competition like, google "Jomtien Restaurants" and teakdoor has 3 entries in the first page I think, that aint so good as he is competing with us

yeah the videos are probably ours as well from metacafe etc, probably have a link back in the text or the user name profile, can't remember which, aint that many at 116.000 so should be pretty easy to get there in the top 10.

ผลการค้นหา 1 - 10 รายการจากประมาณ 116,000 สำหรับคำว่า jomtien restaurants

"Jomtien Pasta" seems to be a nice easy one to get into the top 10, although teakdoor has one entry in the top 10

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ผลการค้นหา 1 - 10 รายการจากประมาณ 7,130 สำหรับคำว่า jomtien pasta

**dirtydog** · 23-11-2008, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by klongmaster

^read your post again DD...that's what you said...you might have meant 20K per site but you said 20K per page!..

Lets take a quick look at what the Kiwi said, most pages are exactly the same through out a web site, we are talking real basic here, same header, same buttons, same layout, only difference will be the content on each page and this the client generally provides, this aint a beasty bastard frisco frankie interactive thing, its just a restaurants web site, ie main page, menu page, links page, etc.

**Camel Toe** · 23-11-2008, 12:38 AM

Educational, thanx.

My favorite site is gamevixen. It is what it says, sexy girls in video games. I have 60 downloads offered on that site. They were on this HDD for two years, never could find a game site that takes nudes or even semi-nudes, game producers hate that stuff and the games site don't want to be on their bad side.

If I surf vixens I would get plenty of hits, but who searches vixens looking for game character modifications? How many folks even use that word? We already know what you get when your search includes the word, nude.

God how the boys like to see their favorite dressed female game character take it off. Point being with so many games sold, so many gamers on the planet, so many boys with a need to see this stuff ..... it's a really slow site, mate. Been there two years, based in Oz, cool people, great mods .. "no" traffic. Why?

**dirtydog** · 23-11-2008, 12:52 AM

Games and videos you got to ask somebody else, I still find it hard to believe that crap like youtube is in the top 10 busiest sites in the world, I mean who the fok watches that shite?

**Camel Toe** · 23-11-2008, 12:57 AM

I always wondered why the sites you see at the top after a google are at the top. Is it because that site contains your search words in greater numbers that those below, or is there a paid fee. Sorry for my ignorance.

**dirtydog** · 23-11-2008, 01:01 AM

Now the content is relatively easy, google the shite you want to be in the top 10 for and then look at it, they are in the top 10 for a reason and your web site needs to emulate that, a straight copy and paste aint gonna work and you will most likely be sand boxed, ie google wont list you, but read all the ones in the top 10 and learn from them, also remember that you want traffic from other searches, ie Jomtien restaurants is a bit limited, so in your main spiel do some real boring generic shite, ie Jomtien the premier beach resort which is 150kms from Bangkok and the next beach along from the whoring premier resort which is called Pattaya. That way you got Pattaya and bangkok in your google stuff so may get more hits from people looking for bangkok or pattaya stuff.

**dirtydog** · 23-11-2008, 01:03 AM

Originally Posted by Camel Toe

or is there a paid fee.

If they are highlighted they are paying to be at the top, other than that they are working hard to be at the top.

**dirtydog** · 23-11-2008, 01:21 AM

Now for your shiny brand new web site the coding has to be nice and clean, if you look at the coding on most of the web pages I have done you will see that it is shite, there are also made up on the spur of the moment codes that don't actually exist and stuff like that, stuff like that don't help the search engines, they are looking at the made up coding you have done and are wondering what the fok it means when you actually want them to move onto the content, now the Indians are cheap for coding a web site but generally stick a load of code that aint needed into the script, got to keep it clean and easy, you really do need the search engines to find it easy to go through and index your web site.

**dirtydog** · 23-11-2008, 01:28 AM

What to go with in the com net org stuff, I have always been a believer in .com's, they seem to be the strongest on search engines, obviously now as google the cnuts start to shape us and fok us around that may not be so true, also with a .org your pics are gonna show with people with banner and button blocker software, of course if we all buy .org's then that will change

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