Thread: Noam Chomsky: A Linguistic Genius

There are some interesting concepts raised by Marx and some of the neo communists like Collins.
Greater worker participation in company ownership etc

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Wooooooo, dude, lay the bong down for awhile and come back to THIS planet.

Did you read it ? his understanding of our modern society through the means of production were revolutionary, master and slave cohabitations and interdependence,

great work,

Das capital and The Origin of Species were landmarks in history

^ you forgot Rousseau who was the first to really describe the existence of our society,

Marx brought it to a whole different level, much more advanced and sophisticated

^ Adam Smith was a fraud and living in the cloud, still interesting to read

Wasn't Marx running a small factory at some point ? and this is how he came to his conclusions that capitalism was destroying lives and there could be another way ?

More on the man here, not the best source, but good enough I guess:

Karl Marx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Say what you like about Marx, his theories were the basis for something that continues to have a significant impact on world politics and relations to this very day.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

infant morality

Sorry please explain

^^ without Marx and Communism, pulling 50hours a week would be considered normal, and spending 2 weeks vacation overseas would be a thing reserved for the elite only,

The victorian worker had it good
How have the mighty fallen

"Say what you like about Marx, his theories were the basis for something that continues to have a significant impact on world politics and relations to this very day."

Negative effect

"Sorry please explain"

There is very strong correlation between poverty and infant mortality. Infant mortality is a key measure used in "quality" of life. Marxism creates poverty and poverty leads to dead babies.

But, Chomsky does not care. Let em die, he doesn't see them from his ivory tower.

Leftist are the most uncaring people in the world. They openly advocate policies that have been shown to lead to death and miserly. Why? Political gain for them is more important than the lives of the world's poor.

you meant infant mortality.
Infant morality had me puzzled.
What about Cuba, its infant mortality is lower than the US and on a par with the European Union average?

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

death and miserly

Another typo or a new theory?

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

There is very strong correlation between poverty and infant mortality. Infant mortality is a key measure used in "quality" of life. Marxism creates poverty and poverty leads to dead babies.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

What about Cuba, its infant mortality is lower than the US and on a par with the European Union average?

I was going to say much the same thing.

Actually if you look at worldwide healthcare as a whole it's interesting to note that nations with a more 'socialist' focus in their approach are - for the most part - ranked higher than those without (most notably the US who spend twice as much as any other country for less return).

Leftist are the most uncaring people in the world. They openly advocate policies that have been shown to lead to death and miserly. Why? Political gain for them is more important than the lives of the world's poor.

Unsubstantiated guff.

Oh I now get it, you guys are a bunch of Marxists! Obviously it is impossible in the modern world to be a Marxist and be a critical thinker. The evidence is so overwhelming in support of market economies and against central planning that it would be impossible to evaluate the evidence and come to the conclusion that Marxism works.

The Festinger cognitive dissonance thing explains this attitude of you guys. You must have developed a Marxist view point sometime early in life, however this is incompatible with all available evidence. The human brain does not tolerate incompatibilities for long, therefore you have two choices, either change your worldviews or ignore the evidence. You guys (probably in a combination of consciously and subconsciously) have filtered out all information that does not fit into your existing beliefs in order to maintain your worldview. That is why you guys seem so thick! That is why you feel compelled to seek out propaganda (like Chomsky) to reinforce your political views!!!

And I thought you were just stupid!

Ant, obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. The correlation between free-economies and poverty reduction, life expectancy and lower of infant mortality has been found to be very strong in study after study after study. Anyone who has any interest at all in making the world a better place is OBILGATED to seek out this information before making political decisions. Ignoring all this valuable evidence borders on the criminal. Don’t believe me? Check out any of the issues of the last few years of the Asian Development Review. It’s available free online. But we both know you won’t do that. You don’t want to see any evidence conducted by real scholars who have devoted their lives to improving the plight of the world’s poor. It might upset your view of the world, instead you will seek out propaganda to reinforce you weird view of the world.

So. what do you base your worldviews on? Some anecdotal evidence about Cuba, a single country? Are you really that thick? (Also do you actually believe government statistics coming out of Cuba?). Wait, I think you have already answered the question about how thick you are.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

That is why you guys seem so thick

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

And I thought you were just stupid!

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Are you really that thick?

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Wait, I think you have already answered the question about how thick you are.

What was he saying about ad hominem arguments?

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Oh I now get it, you guys are a bunch of Marxists!

I wish you'd make up your mind what label you're going to apply us with. If nothing else it would make at least locating the windmills you seek to tilt at that much easier.

Ant, obviously you have no idea what you are talking about.

'Yet another personal attack, how many times have you used that strategy on this thread?'

So. what do you base your worldviews on? Some anecdotal evidence about Cuba, a single country? Are you really that thick? (Also do you actually believe government statistics coming out of Cuba?). Wait, I think you have already answered the question about how thick you are.

Who, other than you just now, said anything about a worldview? If you'd taken the time to actually read what I posted rather than going off half-cocked against what you think I wrote and calling me names then you might've noted this.

I merely observed that those nations with a program of 'socialised' medical services fare better than those without; check out the WHO rankings for one. No ambiguity in that.

So you can either dispute that - although I don't see how you can - or continue to wilfully misrepresent what I've said, argue against that invented position, call me names, and generally continue with your sophomoric rambling. Choice is yours.

Originally Posted by good2bhappy

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

That is why you guys seem so thick

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

And I thought you were just stupid!

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Are you really that thick?

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Wait, I think you have already answered the question about how thick you are.

What was he saying about ad hominem arguments?

Doesn't do irony our AA.

^

yep, you pretty much proved my point.

^ You mean I proved you are a moron?
That was not my purpose

One has proven the others 'point', while another has accidentily identified a moron.

Does this signal the end of this threads significance.

^^^You had a point? I thought you were just indulging in ad hominem and inventing your own logical fallacies to argue against rather than addressing the actual issues raised. Actually, in an attempt to distract from the issues raised because you've no answer to them.

The fact of the matter is that it was you that first started with the name-calling and insults - in one of your very first posts in this thread - and it's you who continues with it. This is rather inconvenient to your repeated claims but it's a verifiable fact.

Frankly this thread does not show you in a good light. For someone who cannot work out the concept of the quote function and who cut 'n pastes his posts from MS-Word and yet still manages to have them full of spelling and grammar errors you've quite some cheek calling others stupid. All rather at odds for a self-professed academic.

In fact, what is the significance?

“There are some interesting concepts raised by Marx and some of the neo communists like Collins.


Greater worker participation in company ownership etc”

“his understanding of our modern society through the means of production were revolutionary, master and slave cohabitations and interdependence,

great work,”

“Das capital and The Origin of Species were landmarks in history”

“Say what you like about Marx, his theories were the basis for something that continues to have a significant impact on world politics and relations to this very day.”

“without Marx and Communism, pulling 50hours a week would be considered normal, and spending 2 weeks vacation overseas would be a thing reserved for the elite only,”

Seems you guys did labeled yourselves Marxists.

Ant

Wow, what is this, a personal attack with no evidence. Not exactly your first time using this strategy on this thread.

Boy, you really do get testy when your communist worldview is challenged.

But after all these posts, you still haven't supplied one piece of evidence to support you position, but you have done a good share of name-calling.

Anyway, you sure are easy to wind up.