Thread: Explosion In Centre Of Norwegian Capital

Lets not forget about these kids who were hunted for perhaps over an hour by this lunatic.There are hundreds of families in serious shock this morning.
My heart goes out to them.

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So given that 9/11 claimed less than 3,000 lives, you're saying Muslims are responsible for the deaths of around 100 people in more than a quarter of a century.

And you don't see the flaw in your argument?

Oh so 9/11 doesn't count now or what ? And I was talking just in the US AND I was talking about innocent civilians. Not like that BS pie chart where drug turf wars used to be chalked up as terrorism.

SO then you quote the global figure that includes Sunni vs Shia and other sectarian (and in many cases, tribal) incidents.

Fucking hell, it's like nailing jelly to a wall.

Do you always keep moving the goalposts so that you never lose one of your ridiculous arguments?

one loony can ruin it for hundreds of people, shame, the ones who are left behind suffer the most though !

Originally Posted by Bower

Lets not forget about these kids who were hunted for perhaps over an hour by this lunatic.There are hundreds of families in serious shock this morning.
My heart goes out to them.

You said it mate. This deranged bastard has scared thousand's. How long will it take for parents to feel safe again to allow their children to be free. After funerals are long over the legacy of fear and uncertainty will remain.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Never mind Lom, found what you were referring to: Norwegian TV2 reports that Breivik belongs to "ring-wing circles" in Oslo. Swedish news site Expressen adds that he has been known to write to right-wing forums in Norway, is a self-described nationalist and has also written a number of posts critical of Islam. Sounds like another deranged Timothy McVeigh...

Sounds like a lot of people on TD.

Norwegian news reports that police suspect that there might have been a second shooter. Many of the witnesses at Utøya have explained that another guy dressed as a civilian took part in the shooting.

I would absolutely love to get my hands on the utter lowlife that do this:

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Originally Posted by spark

Norwegian news reports that police suspect that there might have been a second shooter. Many of the witnesses at Utøya have explained that another guy dressed as a civilian took part in the shooting.

So does that mean the second shooter escaped?

RT_com RT

32-year-old shooting, bombing suspect had 'purchased large quantities of fertilizer' in southeast Norway - NRK #news

Norway survivors describe fleeing 'calm and controlled' gunman; death toll hits 91 - latimes.com

Norway survivors describe fleeing 'calm and controlled' gunman; death toll hits 91

Police begin searching two apartments owned by Anders Behring Breivik, 32, who is accused of setting off the Oslo bomb and shooting dozens at a youth camp. Survivors recall a gunman with both a handgun and machine gun who shot campers trying to flee.


Rescue personnel in Storoya, Norway, tend to an injured youth who was brought ashore from the island camp after the shooting rampage. (Morten Edvardsen, Reuters / July 23, 2011)



By Edmund Sanders and Janet Stobart Los Angeles Times July 23, 2011, 3:23 a.m.

Norwegian police said Saturday that the death toll from Friday's attacks has risen to 91 and confirmed that they have arrested a suspect whom they described as a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.

In a news conference Saturday morning in Oslo, police confirmed that they had arrested Anders Behring Breivik, 32, on suspicion of orchestrating both the Oslo bombing and the youth-camp shooting rampage and had begun searching two apartments that he owns.

Breivik reportedly owns four properties including a farm on the outskirts of Oslo, allegedly to enable him to store legally a large amount of fertilizer.

Police would not comment on whether he acted alone but said no other arrests have been made. They said Breivik had no criminal record.

They would not speculate on his motives, but said, based own his own Twitter and Facebook accounts, he appeared to be a right-wing Christian fundamentalist.

Police say he was arrested by security forces at the Labor Party youth camp on the island of Utoya after the shootings. They said 84 people were killed on the island. At least seven were killed in the Oslo bombing.

Police Chief Oystein Maeland told reporters that they could not confirm the number of victims would stop at 91, adding that the attack had reached "catastrophic dimensions."

He said officers were still "looking in the water around the island for more victims."

Media reports say the gunman apparently used a handgun and a machine gun, and that police arrived at the island possibly 90 minutes after the shooting started. At midmorning Saturday, police were still searching the island for more bodies.

<snipped, the rest of from the BBC report, which seems to have some of the best coverage>

BBC News - Norway attack: Eyewitness accounts

23 July 2011 Last updated at 09:44 GMT

Scores killed in Norway attacks

More than 80 people have been killed when a gunman opened fire at an island youth camp in Norway, hours after a bomb attack killed seven people in the capital, Oslo.

Police are questioning a 32-year-old Norwegian man in connection with Friday's attacks.

The man was arrested on tiny Utoeya island outside Oslo, where police say he opened fire on teenagers.

Adrian Pracon

I was working in the information booth on the island.

We were informed by radio of a bombing in Oslo, so we gathered all 700 people on the island together to tell them.

A couple of minutes later we got a phone call to say one policeman was coming on to the shore to see us.

I went to the coffee shop to get supplies for everyone. I then heard gun shots and could see people running. As they were running, they were shot in the back.

People were falling dead right in front of me.

I ran through the campus to the tent area. I saw the gunman - two people started to talk to him and two seconds later they were both shot.

He was wearing a black uniform, with red edges. He looked liked a Nazi, with his police-like uniform and hair.

The gunman was very sure, calm and controlled. He looked like he knew what he was doing. He screamed at us that we would all die.

We all started to run down to the water, people had already undressed and started swimming. I thought I didn't have enough time to take off my clothes, so I started swimming in the rain, in my clothes and big boots.

I went for about 150 metres but the lake is about 800 metres long. I realised I wouldn't make it so I turned back.

I saw him standing 10 metres from me, shooting at the people who were swimming. He aimed his machine gun at me and I screamed at him, 'No please no, don't do it'. I don't know if he listened to me but he spared me.

He came back an hour later. I was with other survivors and we were lying down and hiding behind the trees and rocks. We were freezing in our wet clothes.

The shooting started again and people were falling on top of me, on my legs and falling into the water - that's when many people died. I just had to shield myself behind them, praying he wouldn't see me.

Then he came closer, I could feel his breath, I could feel his boots, I could feel the warmth of the barrel.

But I didn't move and that's what saved my life.

Stine Renate Haheim

I am a member of the Norwegian Parliament, I was taking part in the youth camp.


He was calm and just kept shooting people”

We gathered in small groups talking about the bombings in Oslo. We then heard someone shout 'The police are here, we are now safe.'

I then saw a policeman coming down the hill and suddenly he started shooting people, one by one.

We ran and jumped out into the sea when we saw boats coming.

We shut everything out, we just wanted to stay safe and help each other.

The gunman had a police uniform, that was probably most frightening.

He was calm, he never ran, he just kept shooting people, I never heard him speak.

^ The more I read, the more disturbing this entire incident becomes. That one person can create so much misery and loss. It is overwhelming. He was machine like. All planned. All intended.

RIP to all those lost.

My heartfelt condolences to all the heart-broken relatives of the dead.

So much suffering and grief.

The people shit slinging in this thread or using it as a platform for their hatred should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Originally Posted by Sailing into trouble

So when leaders go against the the wishes of the people they represent, this is something to be admired?

At the outbreak of WW2 polls showed that 69% of the British public did not want any part of war with Germany. They of course had no idea what was really going on; Churchill and some others did and they acted accordingly. The people generally have no idea what they want...then or now. That's why they need leaders to make tough decisions and live with the consequenses. The population, if left to their own devises would decide nothing and probably starve to death half the time.

Power to the people is just a quaint notion held by idealists. The best they can do is elect leaders; let them make the decisions and hope for the best....or of course have non-elected leaders who will make decisions without ever being held accountable by anyone, and where the people don't even bother to to hope for the best.

A Norwegian farmer has just given a dramatic demonstration of what happens when the power of the individual is exercised against the power of the people...and the people collectively can do nothing to stop it.

The question that will probably go un-answered fully is, why...what made this individual commit such an atrocity.....I think maybe the Norwegian government and many others are afraid of the real answer, so he will be written off as just another "right wing nutter" and locked up for life....and the things that motivated him will continue to grow and fester until the next nutter decides to give up the farm and exercise the power of one. He must have known that he would be caught. He must have believed that the power of one man with a belief does indeed equal the power of a hundred thousand who just have interests.

A great many innocents have died for this man's beliefs...whatever they were. Unfortunately, if western governments continue to surrender their nations traditions, culture and belief systems and force their citizens to capitulate to the belief systems of cultures that are completely alien to them, we may see much more of the same. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the trial...if he ever even goes to trial.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

^ The more I read, the more disturbing this entire incident becomes. That one person can create so much misery and loss. It is overwhelming. He was machine like. All planned. All intended.

RIP to all those lost.

My heartfelt condolences to all the heart-broken relatives of the dead.

So much suffering and grief.

And so say all of us.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

The people shit slinging in this thread or using it as a platform for their hatred should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Sorry, when did you become TD's moral arbiter?

A great many innocents have died for this man's beliefs...whatever they were. Unfortunately, if western governments continue to surrender their nations traditions, culture and belief systems and force their citizens to capitulate to the belief systems of cultures that are completely alien to them, we may see much more of the same. It will be interesting to see what comes out in the trial...if he ever even goes to trial.

Koman,

I think Norway is a fairly balanced, and has always been a socially responsible country.

It might well simply be that the killer is a Christian madman, which makes him no better in my book than people indoctrinated in any other fashion.

There is no reasoning with people like this, they simply need to be put down in the manner of a rabid dog to put them out of their misery.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Sorry, when did you become TD's moral arbiter?

I didn't. But the people shit slinging in this thread or using it as a platform for their hatred should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Sorry, when did you become TD's moral arbiter?

I didn't. But the people shit slinging in this thread or using it as a platform for their hatred should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Oh come on, we're grown ups. It's not difficult to refute the arguments of a fucking idiot, is it? This isn't TV.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's not difficult to refute the arguments of a fucking idiot, is it?

No it's not, but trolling a thread like this is a disgrace, unless you are unaware that you are even being trolled.

Originally Posted by English Noodles

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It's not difficult to refute the arguments of a fucking idiot, is it?

No it's not, but trolling a thread like this is a disgrace, unless you are unaware that you are even being trolled.

Not me, I can tell the difference between a Sun reader and a troll.

A Swat team aim their weapons while people take cover during a shootout at Utøya island



Norway's prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, stands next to an unidentified doctor as they give a press briefing at the Ulleval University hospital in Oslo






A woman lays flowers at the entrance of Norway's embassy in Moscow to pay tribute to the victims of the twin attacks






A survivor of the Utøya island shooting is reunited with her parents at Sundvolden, some 24 miles south-west of Oslo