Thread: Finally the Aus Goverment have started showing some balls!

Originally Posted by Mid

We are no better than the folks we are attempting to discourage if we resort to the actions of expelling unaccompanied minors .Yes Australia loses .

Fuking hell Mid, give it a miss, your theatricals are truly sickening.

See if you can get your head around this.

By sending the children and the Illegals off to Malaysia the smugglers will be out of business as the Illegals will not throw 10k at them just to be deported straight back to Malaysia. In other words there business is down the shitter.

This in turn will result in no other children being sacrificed on a leaky boat trip to Australia, fuk knows how many boats has sunk on the way over, no fuker knows.

So in the big picture by sending a small amount of children away we will be saving many.

Not fuking hard mate except for a bleeding heart goody goody like you who buries his head in the sand and wont stand up.

Harden the fuk up.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Originally Posted by Mid

We are no better than the folks we are attempting to discourage if we resort to the actions of expelling unaccompanied minors .

Oh, right ! We have lost MORALLY !

Yep, thats what Mid is banging on about but can not be taken seriously.

Hey Mid. what about the 1000's of genuine refugees that will be getting a new start in Australia ?

Fuk mate, if they where reading this thread they would come to the conclusion that you must be seriously mentally challenged by holding on to this unbalanced view.

Seriously Mid, you need to have a good look at yourself.

If you are no better than the people you are trying to discourage, you'd be paying a trafficker to get on a boat somewhere, surely? Or perhaps loading kids onto it? Without an invitation from the destination of course.

Outdated Refugee laws require updated reaction and Australia who may not be dotting the i's of crossing the t's is at least putting out the message that we are not going to be a soft touch anymore.When are some going to learn that kindness is regarded as an act of weakness by many of these who try to circumvent the correct path.They are exploiting the situation.
We can not fix the problems of the world and anyway look what has happened to the USA and how they are regarded when they have tried to do so.
While we are at it sending these illegal immigrants back fill up the boats with the bleeding hearts and let them do their bit to fix the injustices in the countries from where the boat people have originated from.
Aussies give a helping hand to most but when its taken advantage of we freeze up. When illegal immigrants get more in handouts than our old age pensioners who paid tax all their lives with some even having fought for their country, then enough is enough.Selective Immigration approval to those who are going to enhance our country is my preference.

I have always held the belief that one can not win or rationalise with an ignorant person. Why give Mid any more notoriety,he has sufficiently displayed his head in the sand ignorance for all to see.

Originally Posted by Latindancer

Hey Mid.....if you are really and genuinely worried about boat people and human rights, why not help some of the Rohingya people right here in Thailand ??

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New refugees face Tasers, tear gas
Jay Fletcher
Saturday, August 6, 2011


Australian federal police drill on Christmas Island.

Federal riot police have the go-ahead to use Tasers, tear gas, batons, capsicum spray and handcuffs to force refugees onto a flight to Malaysia from Christmas Island. Immigration officials say they will film the ordeal to put online as a “potent message” to other refugees.

The first asylum seekers to undergo this ordeal arrived in Australian waters less than a week after the “Malaysia solution” came into effect. A boat carrying 55 Afghan, Iranian and Iraqi refugees was intercepted near Scott Reef on July 31.

More than one third of the asylum seekers on the boat are children.

A “cattle run” has been built to move the refugees into the island’s Phosphate Hill detention compound, the Daily Telegraph said.

News Limited published footage from the island of police in riot gear practising military drills and shouting “get back”.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard gave them authority to “use appropriate force” if the refugees try to resist their deportation.

She said the federal police were there to “do what was necessary” and it was “not a question of volunteering”.

“It means taking appropriate steps to get people to board the plane and disembark the plane at the other end,” she said on August 1.

The inclusion of Tasers in the “appropriate force” measures has been heavily criticised by human rights and legal groups.

Tasers have already led to several deaths in Australia. As well, the beanbag bullets police fired at refugees during protests in March may have fractured one refugee’s leg.

However, these “less lethal” weapons continue to be used with impunity.

The Australian Lawyers Alliance president, Greg Barns, said Gillard had authorised the use of dangerous and harmful weapons against traumatised people.

He told ABC Online: “These are vulnerable people who, in many, cases, have been brutalised by police in their own country.

“This is heavy-handed, jackbooted and unnecessary … [Gillard] is playing politics with human life.”

The Christmas Island Shire president Gordan Thompson expressed similar fears: “It’s going to be very disturbing for the people involved, both the asylum seekers and the people charged with removing them.”

When the new arrivals were told of the government's plans, they began a hunger strike on August 5.

Michelle Dimasi, founder of advocay group Asylum Seekers Christmas Island, said a man from among the new arrivals phoned her. He said: "We need help ... The women and children are in a bad way."

But the immigration department denied it. A spokesperson said: "Just because someone misses a meal or two does not mean they are on voluntary starvation."

Immigration minister Chris Bowen has repeatedly said the government would not back away from its “tough message”.

He told Sky News on August 1 there was now “no question, that if you take that boat journey to Australia we’re going to take you back to Malaysia”.

Immigration spokesperson Sandi Logan later added: “We will be documenting [the forced deportations] so pictures get out far and wide.”

Immigration and customs officials will film the nightmare trial for the refugees from their moment of arrival to the distressing moment they are forced on planes bound for Malaysia.

The footage will likely be added to the federal government’s YouTube channel “No to people smuggling” — a government fear campaign against refugees trying to seek asylum in Australia.

The channel has operated since May 2010. It broadcasts short videos showing images of the inhumane conditions in Australia’s detention centres, the Christmas Island shipwreck in December and a graphic portrayal of a man drowning at sea.

A new video on the “refugees swap”, translated into eight languages, was uploaded on June 25.

It’s starkly similar to the Howard government’s scare tactics in 2000, when then-immigration minister Philip Ruddock designed similar videos — with sharks, crocodiles and spiders — to scare off asylum seekers from attempting to reach Australia.

At the time, Ruddock said: “Now when you see them you might think that they are a little sensational. You may think that they’re horrific.” But he said the videos were based on “fact” and were necessary to keep refugees away from Australia.

The Labor government has taken this cynical stance to a new level, taking drastic measures to deter people seeking asylum in Australia but ignoring the refugee crisis worldwide.

The immigration department says it wants to reduce the time it takes to deport refugees to within 72 hours of their arrival in Australia. This stands in stark contrast to the 12 months or longer some refugees spend in detention while their claims are processed.

Refugee and human rights groups around the country have damned the refugee swap with Malaysia, labelling it a criminal human-trafficking deal.

Advocacy group Asylum Seekers Christmas Island said on August 4 the deal was “ethically abhorrent, legally questionable and practically unsustainable”.

“Australia can no longer call itself a compassionate, humanitarian country,” the group said.

Protests have been planned by refugees groups around the country to oppose mandatory detention and the “Malaysia solution”.

The Refugee Action Coalition Sydney said on July 26: “Australia should do everything it can to find new homes for refugees currently suffering in Malaysia. But this must not be at the cost of the wholesale undermining of Australia’s basic humanitarian obligation to welcome refugees in this country.”

greenleft.org.au

Originally Posted by Aussie Tigger

When are some going to learn that kindness is regarded as an act of weakness by many of these who try to circumvent the correct path.They are exploiting the situation.
When illegal immigrants get more in handouts than our old age pensioners who paid tax all their lives with some even having fought for their country, then enough is enough.Selective Immigration approval to those who are going to enhance our country is my preference.

Yes and yes, correct on both counts.

To top it of they have rioted and set fire to the Immigration center twice.

If it was any other country they would on been in serious heavy shit but good old Aussie just rolled with the punches over those acts.

Yep Australia has definitely been heavy handed with these Illegal Immigrants.

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Fuk me , what a steaming load of shit, the do gooders at there worst once again.

The thing is, people that don't live in Australia might actually believe it.

A disgrace that this misinformation actually makes the international news papers.

God I havent logged in for a couple of days, this thread has really copped a hammering.
My view on all this is that they need to be taught a lesson and that they cant (well shouldnt) just jump on a boat (or send their kids, spineless pricks) and come here unanounced and uninvited.
Correct, we have room for loads of refugees, but none for the ones who try to jump the line and barge in.
I have mentioned it before the news article posted in here that they wait up to seven years to be processed and they are lovely people, they want to work and they are good hard workers (and yes I know this factually because we have employed many of them). The do not come here and try to change our society to suit their owns barbaric religion and beliefs either, they appreciate what they get and they also cost tax payers a fortune and there is always housing avaiably for them, but again, they come legally, so bring them on.

Legal challenge to Australia, Malaysia refugee swap
Aug 7, 2011

SYDNEY - AUSTRALIA'S plan to send asylum seekers to Malaysia was on Sunday hit with a legal challenge, with a refugee lawyer seeking an injunction stopping the transfer of the first group to the Asian nation.

As the government confirmed that some of the 50-odd boatpeople due to be removed within days under the controversial refugee swap were refusing food, lawyer David Manne said he had launched proceedings in the High Court.

'This is about life or death matters and our clients are challenging the government's power to expel them to Malaysia where they fear they will not be protected and they are at real risk of harm,' Mr Manne told AFP.

Australia plans to send up to 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia in return for accepting 4,000 registered refugees from that country over four years.

Mr Manne, from the Refugee and Immigration Legal Centre in Melbourne, said he was representing 41 of the 55 asylum seekers who had arrived by boat in Australia last week and who had been expected to leave for Malaysia on Monday.

'Underlying all this is that Australian law requires that their claims for refugee protection should be considered here in Australia instead of expelling them to Malaysia,' he said.

straitstimes.com

Maybe I might start voting labour again.
Gillard knows that her tenure in power will come to an end if she acts weakly with this issue.The lawyers love all this, they can make a fortune defending illegal immigrants at tax payers expense.
Australia will be admired by many countries for taking this hard line stance and so they should.
I am not against Immigration but I want it to be approved acceptance of new comers not them black mailing us into submission.

They can Fly on Air Asia for 9000 Baht to The Gold Coast. Maybe another 5000 to purchase acceptable airline documents in KL or KKB for boarding. Then apply for asylum/visa on arrival. Beats Floating there....

Terry57 is spot on, fuk this and that excepted of course. Oz is right to take a stance against what is really illegal immigration. Asylum seekers used to be the odd ballet dancer and cold war spy defecting from commie countries in the 60's. Now they are not really asylum seekers at all but 100.000's people who want to illegally move to another country for financial hand outs and benefits. The Australians have the UK as a warning at what the soft approach on illegal immigration can end up in- millions of over stayers and lying illegals washing up to become a drain on the economy. Who cares if these buggers die at sea or send their kids into danger, they are just trying to exploit the moral and legal weakness in western counties and the blame is on themselves, not the countries they want to live in. If they end up dying or being exploited as Terry57 might say, and I agree, fuk them.

Originally Posted by terry57

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If Gillard rolls on this issue she will be dragged out of government by the hostile voting public, no doubt about it.

If she delivers she maybe just hang onto power but its touch and go for her.

She's pushing shit up hill after her debacle concerning the Carbon Tax.

Lucky Tony Abbott is a whining little cock sucker or she would be gone for sure.

Thing that worries me is that if this cokhead lawyer gets away with it, Julia can back down on her plan without losing face and blame him.

Originally Posted by Mid

'Underlying all this is that Australian law requires that their claims for refugee protection should be considered here in Australia instead of expelling them to Malaysia,' he said.

Then change the law forthwith. And hang all the scumbag lawyers.
We are not violating their human rights- they are violating ours.
If I lobbed into Israel or Dubai tomorrow, asking for asylum, what might I expect?

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Mid

'Underlying all this is that Australian law requires that their claims for refugee protection should be considered here in Australia instead of expelling them to Malaysia,' he said.

Then change the law forthwith. And hang all the scumbag lawyers.
We are not violating their human rights- they are violating ours.
If I lobbed into Israel or Dubai tomorrow, asking for asylum, what might I expect?

Oh, you can guess....

Qatar,Jun 2 (CNN): The Libyan woman whose alleged rape by security forces received worldwide attention has been forcibly deported from Qatar back to Benghazi in Libya.
Eman al-Obeidy had been awaiting resettlement as a refugee, and the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees had prepared papers for her departure from Qatar to begin a new life. But Qatari authorities took her and her parents from a hotel in the capital, Doha, and forced them onto a military plane that left Qatar early Thursday.
A UNHCR official told CNN that his agency had made repeated requests to the Qatari authorities not to deport al-Obeidy, and that unnamed third parties had also made appeals to Qatar.
"We tried all night to prevent her deportation," said Vincent Cochetel of the UNHCR office in Washington. He said the Qatari authorities had informed UNHCR that they had a court order that al-Obeidy's visa had expired; and they ignored UNHCR's arguments that she already had refugee status.

Judge delays deportation to Malaysia
August 7, 2011

A High Court judge has ordered a delay in the transfer of the first asylum seekers to Malaysia under Australia's swap deal with that country.

An injunction seeking to stop the deportation of the asylum seekers was sought at a special hearing of the court in Melbourne on Sunday evening.

Justice Kenneth Hayne ordered that the asylum seekers who were due to leave Australia at 11.30am (AEST) on Monday not depart before 4.15pm (AEST), pending the hearing of another application in the High Court in Canberra at 2.15pm (AEST).

The High Court proceedings were launched by lawyer David Manne from the Refugee and Immigration Legal Centre in Melbourne.

They federal government last month signed a deal to send 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia in return for accepting 4000 processed refugees.

news.theage.com.au

Originally Posted by Mid

Judge delays deportation to Malaysia
August 7, 2011

A High Court judge has ordered a delay in the transfer of the first asylum seekers to Malaysia under Australia's swap deal with that country.

An injunction seeking to stop the deportation of the asylum seekers was sought at a special hearing of the court in Melbourne on Sunday evening.

Justice Kenneth Hayne ordered that the asylum seekers who were due to leave Australia at 11.30am (AEST) on Monday not depart before 4.15pm (AEST), pending the hearing of another application in the High Court in Canberra at 2.15pm (AEST).

The High Court proceedings were launched by lawyer David Manne from the Refugee and Immigration Legal Centre in Melbourne.

They federal government last month signed a deal to send 800 asylum seekers to Malaysia in return for accepting 4000 processed refugees.

news.theage.com.au

What is the point in even having a Prime Minister running the country, might as well hand it over to the high court.
They will never be taught a lesson if we keep bending over and letting them fuk us up the rear.
Meanwhile, the poor genuine refugees who are stoked about the good news have to wait even longer while these fuken idiots play their games.
This is just fuked, like Terry said, get the fuk on with it.
They said they were going to be pissed off within 72 hours of arriving, if this had happened we wouldnt be in this situation.