9-11 Commissioner: Bush Allowed 9-11 To Happen

**Mr R Sole** · 25-05-2009, 04:36 PM

OK second photo down on the right...what the hell is that flash..BEFORE..the plane hits?????? Missile??????

more info avaliable..

YouTube - Loose Change Saltergate Video
There is no public record of this video predating it's debut in a salter debunkery attempt.
The Loose Change version is longer, starting with a helicopter shot from a WESCAM camera system documented by Nico Haupt.
http://www.911closeup.com/nico/WABC_cam_identification.html
YouTube - Amateur Vid of second plane hitting tower
Amateur Vid of second plane hitting tower, listen to what they are saying... the 2nd plane was a missle... too fast to be a plan...
I got this message when trying to check this out...This video has been removed due to terms of use violation. WHAT the fu*k does that mean????

Doesn't look like a passenger plane to me??? you?

more like military..

And how about one of the hotels having perfect footage of the plane crashing in to the pentagon...and the S/service running over and confiscating the tapes immediately and they have never been shown to anyone...is that because the pentagon was never hit by a plane!!! eyewitness's stated that a missile had hit the pentagon...then after 'government people' arrived they changed their statements and said it was a plane!!

It was a lone gunman in the book depository...

Here's the suspect...it was him.

**EmperorTud** · 25-05-2009, 05:09 PM

**barbaro** · 26-05-2009, 10:53 AM

Folks, the 2nd edition of "Loose Change" is in the Issues section under the same title.

Thanks for the info R Swole, Mustava, and others.

**Mr R Sole** · 26-05-2009, 11:32 AM

There is a warning on the DVD 'loose change' that I had...give it back Somtamslap!!!

which states that if you are caught with 'loose change' in 'the land of the free'!!!! then you can be held a gitmo' for domestic terrorism!!!

Way to go to freak the shit out of people....so that they won't get it, or watch it....or a cunning ploy by the producers to get people to watch it...( the juries out on that one for me) but America has got a lot to lose when people see this DVD and are paranoid enough to do that to their own citizens...just ask the 'suspected' communists of the 60's....who mostly weren't communists but were persecuted for having an opinion!!! nothing's changed then?

Anyone that hasn't seen this and other very good DVD's and states that 9-11 was Osama.....is a fool or a Bush dog...whose father actually works for Carlyle group aka the Bin ladens...at the time.

Be afraid America...be very afraid. 'land of the free' my rectal passage....indoctrinated by terrorists to the Crown

I know it was over 200 yrs ago, but some of us are still bitter...not to mention the native americans. Geronimo, crazy horse to name but a few...

This lot should've been hung for treason!!!

these are the true founding fathers!!!

but they would've never orchestrated the deaths of 3000+ of their own citizens or invaded and forced their rule on democratically elected governments around the world....after WW2 or even before come to that!

**Butterfly** · 26-05-2009, 12:45 PM

I think there is a general consensus now that it was a missile that hit the Pentagon,

nobody is buying that it was a plane anymore, apart from a few Patriot loonies who still believe that their government would never lie to them

**Mr R Sole** · 26-05-2009, 12:59 PM

^ dead right there Butterfly.

'Justice for all' what a crock of shi*

I was definately in SHOCK....but not in AWE.America making friends all over the world!

**Butterfly** · 26-05-2009, 01:05 PM

the problem with releasing the Pentagon video footage is that the public will start asking questions, like why they didn't release the footage before, why did they plant aircraft parts, why did they lie about it, and how fast did they come up with that story ?

I mean in a matter of minutes, there were men with trucks unloading and loading aircraft parts. How could they do it so fast ? this is probably the only irrefutable smoking gun and they know it !!!

**Mr R Sole** · 26-05-2009, 01:09 PM

I love other well informed people...keep up the suspicion Butterfly...it certainly ain't paranoia or a conspiracy theory...

**Whiteshiva** · 26-05-2009, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

the problem with releasing the Pentagon video footage is that the public will start asking questions, like why they didn't release the footage before, why did they plant aircraft parts, why did they lie about it, and how fast did they come up with that story ?

I mean in a matter of minutes, there were men with trucks unloading and loading aircraft parts. How could they do it so fast ? this is probably the only irrefutable smoking gun and they know it !!!

Gimme a break - So where exactly are the crew and passengers of the 3 planes that didn't hit Pentagon and the WTC?
Let me guess - the US government had then brought to a secret airbase and massacred? Or are they hiding in some tropical island in the Bahamas?

**nikster** · 26-05-2009, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by mao say dung

^ I wonder if this kind of thing is really "paranoia". I suspect it's more akin to stuffing your fingers in your ears and singing la-la-la-la-la-la really loud so as not to have to look at what a big bad complex world we live in.

As someone who was always opposed to Bush, and who is now horrified about the extent of his crimes, I have to say I don't think he had anything to do with 9/11, except maybe "allowing" it to happen through sheer incompetence.

It's not entirely a co-incidence this happened under the corrupt Bush/Cheney regime. Somebody smarter or less caught up in their own interests would perhaps prevented this. But Americans voted for dumb, and that's what they got.
Saying Bush actively had a part, or knew about it beforehand is still pretty ridiculous. Let's stick to the real problems - wild conspiracy theories are just a distraction.

BTW about Clinton - Clinton did act on intelligence reports and for example bombed Taliban training camps in Afghanistan for that reason. Think about him what you will but at least he wasn't a retard.

**nikster** · 26-05-2009, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by Butterfly

the problem with releasing the Pentagon video footage is that the public will start asking questions, like why they didn't release the footage before, why did they plant aircraft parts, why did they lie about it, and how fast did they come up with that story ?

I mean in a matter of minutes, there were men with trucks unloading and loading aircraft parts. How could they do it so fast ? this is probably the only irrefutable smoking gun and they know it !!!

Gimme a break - So where exactly are the crew and passengers of the 3 planes that didn't hit Pentagon and the WTC?
Let me guess - the US government had then brought to a secret airbase and massacred? Or are they hiding in some tropical island in the Bahamas?

I guess you never watched "Lost" 555

**Butterfly** · 26-05-2009, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Gimme a break - So where exactly are the crew and passengers of the 3 planes that didn't hit Pentagon and the WTC?

Where are Saddam WMD ? How should I know ?

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Let me guess - the US government had then brought to a secret airbase and massacred?

I hope not. Did those passengers even existed ? did you see any bodies ?

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Or are they hiding in some tropical island in the Bahamas?

You mean like LOST ? be serious, we can question the suspicious circumstances of those acts, that doesn't mean we know who is behind and who did what. This is not some 24 episode where you get the answer to the whole secret deal in a matter of seconds. The truth will come out slowly and painfully because that's how it is done. Do you believe that JKF was also killed by a magic bullet ?

**MustavaMond** · 27-05-2009, 08:37 PM

I have no doubt it was a passenger plane that hit the Pentagon, there were witnesses sitting on the I 95 highway 200 meters from the building that the plane flew over.
I also have no doubt that the Bush admin ( Cheney, Rove , and Rice ) knew attacks were coming and, simply by doing nothing- did everything .
They may well have not expected such a spectacular attack, maybe a good ol' fashioned hi jacking with lots of drama on a tarmac, a few bodies tossed out - who knows. But use of hi jacked passenger planes as missiles was being discussed and was the topic AND TITLE of a memo presented just weeks before.

Allowing the attack facilitated two goals;

A) Attacking the socialist ( and secularist ) Saddam who was threatening oil rights in the region . A pitifully easy sell to a bamboozled, Fox/CNN/NBC news watching US citizenry. Let's not forget the US media machine that is owned by corporations that profit from war, (as does most of the US Congress )
B) Enabled the Patriot Act , which rolled back Bill of Rights, was pushed through Congress with few actually reading it.

But stocks were sold Sept 10, The Mayor of LA was told not to fly...

There is some speculation the the construction of the WTC was somewhat deficient and by using only external structuring, left it vulnerable , what architect could have foreseen attack by tonnes of ignited kerosene injected into the heart of the building with a great force?
Bin Laden studied in NY as an architect and may well have known this info and used it in attack plans.

**barbaro** · 27-05-2009, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

But stocks were sold Sept 10,

These stocks were heavily shorted, 2 separate times.

The Mayor of LA was told not to fly...

Mayor of SF. Brown. (Not to be pendantic.)

Bin Laden studied in NY as an architect and may well have known this info and used it in attack plans.

Bin Laden has never been to the US. (ASAIK.)

Not challenging you Mustava - I agree with your take - just clarifying a thing or two.

**MustavaMond** · 28-05-2009, 08:28 AM

Sorry , Yes Willle Brown Mayor of San Francisco.., not LA

Many members of Bin Laden's family lived in New York, a sister is an outspoken feminist (who has a long road ahead of her)
Can you pick out the future Super Terrorist who would have been in his mid teens?
( pic ca 1971 )

Incidentally, fodder for the Clinton Bashers , Though it is the bush family ( Carlyle Group ) that has the real ties :

1998: Diplomatic Passports Help Stifle FBI Investigation into Bin Laden Family

Michael Scheuer, the head of the CIA Counter Terrorism Center’s special unit focusing on bin Laden from 1996 to 1999 (see February 1996), later will claim

that before 9/11 members of the bin Laden family in the US are nearly completely off limits to US law enforcement. Author Douglas Farah, a former longtime Washington Post reporter, later will write that “All the bin Ladens living in the United States were granted Saudi diplomatic passports in 1996.… In 1998, when the FBI’s New York office actually sought to investigate some of the bin Laden family’s activities in this country because of suspicions of ties to terrorism, the State Department forced them to shut down the entire operation. Because the bin Laden’s were ‘diplomats’ and as such enjoyed diplomatic immunity, making such investigations illegal.”

Scheuer will comment about the 1998 investigation, “My counterparts at the FBI questioned one of the bin Ladens. But then the State Department received a complaint from a law firm, and there was a huge uproar. We were shocked to find out that the bin Ladens in the United States had diplomatic passports, and that we weren’t allowed to talk to them.” Scheuer believes that these unusual diplomatic privileges may help explain how the bin Ladens will be able to depart so quickly just after 9/11 (see September 13, 2001; September 14-19, 2001). Farah later says he interviewed Scheuer about this and claims to have found a second source to verify the information. [Farah, 12/5/2004; Der Spiegel (Hamburg),

And the Bush connection ;

November 1998: Former President George H. W. Bush Meets with Bin Laden Family

Former President George H. W. Bush meets with the bin Laden family on behalf of the Carlyle Group. The meeting takes place in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. [Sunday Herald (Glasgow), 10/7/2001]

**Butterfly** · 28-05-2009, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

I have no doubt it was a passenger plane that hit the Pentagon, there were witnesses sitting on the I 95 highway 200 meters from the building that the plane flew over.

plenty of witnesses who saw a drone flying over I95, witness accounts are usually unreliable but on the ground, that wasn't a passenger plane. Some witnesses also changed their story after they were visited by MiB. It's the JFK conspiracy all over again. The US government is a manipulator.

**Mr R Sole** · 28-05-2009, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

I have no doubt it was a passenger plane that hit the Pentagon, there were witnesses sitting on the I 95 highway 200 meters from the building that the plane flew over.

Ok, on this point the 'eye witnesses claimed that the plane flew right over their heads and car roof's...this is impossible...just watch this..Damn i'm trying to put something from youtube onto here but can't work out how....either way this is the link to it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLyR6kuqfzU check at 58 seconds....and I've seen more but can't find them...so there is no way that the plane flew over their heads as it would toss the cars, trucks and buses around like toys.

Here's another great one of people being toosed into the sea, by a plane not that close to them!!!

So I've never believed their stories about a plane...and yes I believe that the 'good' people in the government would kill and eradicate the bodies of the supposed passengers if that meant that they could go to war- (making loads of money for the military and military supplying industries of America) -to get oil.

From a country whose president 'Saddam' also was gonna blow the whistle on the US about selling him the horrendous chemicals he used to kill his own people and the Kurds. He was also installed by America...consequently after failing to kill the then Prime minister of Iraq in the 60's!!!! (what a wicked web we weave, when we practice to decieve) to run the country for them!!!! OIL again you see...and also to make war with Iran...gotta love the CIA..

BAGHDAD (IWR Parody News) - Saddam Hussein made a surprise announcement at his arraignment today in Baghdad that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has agreed to testify as a character witness for the former dictator. "Rummy and me go way back to the 80's when I used to get bags of money from the US companies that he represented," said Saddam pointing his finger. "Saddam was always gentleman and not so well known, quite a proficient accordion player. He always treated me like a king when I ever I visited him in Iraq in the 1980's, and Saddam promises me that he'll keep our little meetings secret as long as I testify for him. Besides, we still haven't any of those WMD, now have we," said Secretary Rumsfeld to Washington reporters.

Spot the difference game...

**Mr R Sole** · 28-05-2009, 12:00 PM

for some reason some of my text regarding my views on 9-11 and the Bush admin an past governments of the States has disappeared from the above article...maybe a problem with the PC i'm on not sure??? I can't be bothered to re-type it sorry.

**barbaro** · 28-05-2009, 12:10 PM

^ Bin laden is at almost to the far right, wearing a green sweater, correct?

So, he did spend time in New York? Interesting. Is this photo from NYC?

**Smithson** · 28-05-2009, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Folks, the 2nd edition of "Loose Change" is in the Issues section under the same title.

I think I've seen that, not sure, but some of those US conspiracy docos are a bit 'out there'. For example, if they claim that 20 of the hijackers are still alive, where's the evidence?

If the skepticism that is applied to govt. explanations is used on conspiracy theories, you'll see they're pretty thin on evidence.

The best doco of seen on terrorism is called 'The Power of Nightmares'. Apparently the term Al Queada was first used in 2001, this isn't the impression you get from the media.

**MustavaMond** · 28-05-2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Mr R Sole

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

I have no doubt it was a passenger plane that hit the Pentagon, there were witnesses sitting on the I 95 highway 200 meters from the building that the plane flew over.

Ok, on this point the 'eye witnesses claimed that the plane flew right over their heads and car roof's...this is impossible...just watch this..Damn i'm trying to put something from youtube onto here but can't work out how....either way this is the link to it check at 58 seconds....and I've seen more but can't find them...so there is no way that the plane flew over their heads as it would toss the cars, trucks and buses around like toys.

A plane ON THE GROUND powering up that is 50 feet in front of a vehicle is not the same thing as a plane descending from overhead AND not under full power .

I 95 is a main artery into DC from Virginia , it is 5 lanes wide at that point on the eastern, northbound side which is nearest the Pentagon which is in full view and was were the plane crashed .
Many, many people were on that highway at approx 8: 50 AM as it was rush hour. Some were further away, approaching and had a better view, some saw , some did not , or just heard it.
In fact the plane tipped off a light pole as some witnessed .

I think all these UNSUBSTANTIATED theories about "missiles, not passenger planes" are encouraged, perhaps even manufactured to mis-direct the real conspiracy, which was;
the White house did not protect America in order to further its political agenda.

( The pic of the Bin Laden family was taken in Switzerland, not NY . It is my mistake. And it was Atta, the lead hijacker who studied architecture. Sorry for the mistake -it does get all jumbled up.)

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