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    'Big Bang' experiment starts well

    'Big Bang' experiment starts well
    By Paul Rincon
    Science reporter, BBC News


    The LHC has been in construction for some 13 years


    Scientists have hailed a successful switch-on for an enormous experiment which will recreate the conditions a few moments after the Big Bang.

    They have fired a beam of particles called protons around the 27km-long tunnel which houses the the Large Hadron Collider (LHC).

    The £5bn machine on the Swiss-French border is designed to smash particles together with cataclysmic force.

    Scientists hope it will shed light on fundamental questions in physics.
    The beam completed its first circuit of the underground tunnel at just before 0930 BST.
    "There it is," project leader Lyn Evans said when the beam completed its lap.
    He added later: "We had a very good start-up."

    The LHC is arguably the most complicated and ambitious experiment ever built; the project has been hit by cost overruns, equipment trouble and construction problems. The switch-on itself is two years late.

    We will be looking at what the Universe was made of billionths of a second after the Big Bang


    Dr Tara Shears, University of Liverpool



    What is the Large Hadron Collider?


    The collider is operated by the European Organization for Nuclear Research - better known by its French acronym Cern.

    The vast circular tunnel - the "ring" - which runs under the French-Swiss border contains more than 1,000 cylindrical magnets arranged end-to-end.

    The magnets are there to steer the beam - made up of particles called protons - around this 27km-long ring.




    Big Bang Day

    Eventually, two proton beams will be steered in opposite directions around the LHC at close to the speed of light, completing about 11,000 laps each second.

    At allotted points around the tunnel, the beams will cross paths, smashing together near four massive "detectors" that monitor the collisions for interesting events.

    Scientists are hoping that new sub-atomic particles will emerge, revealing fundamental insights into the nature of the cosmos.

    Major effort

    "We will be able to see deeper into matter than ever before," said Dr Tara Shears, a particle physicist at the University of Liverpool.

    "We will be looking at what the Universe was made of billionths of a second after the Big Bang. That is amazing, that really is fantastic."

    The LHC should answer one very simple question: What is mass?

    "We know the answer will be found at the LHC," said Jim Virdee, a particle physicist at Imperial College London.

    The currently favoured model involves a particle called the Higgs boson - dubbed the "God Particle". According to the theory, particles acquire their mass through interactions with an all-pervading field carried by the Higgs.

    The latest astronomical observations suggest ordinary matter - such as the galaxies, gas, stars and planets - makes up just 4% of the Universe.

    The rest is dark matter (23%) and dark energy (73%). Physicists think the LHC could provide clues about the nature of this mysterious "stuff".

    But Professor Virdee told BBC News: "Nature can surprise us... we have to be ready to detect anything it throws at us."

    Full beam ahead

    Engineers injected the first low-intensity proton beams into the LHC in August. But they did not go all the way around the ring.

    On Wednesday, they sent a proton beam around the full circumference of the LHC tunnel.

    Technicians had to be on the lookout for potential problems.

    Steve Myers, head of the accelerator and beam department, said: "There are on the order of 2,000 magnetic circuits in the machine. This means there are 2,000 power supplies which generate the current which flows in the coils of the magnets."

    If there was a fault with any of these, he said, it would have stopped the beam. They were also wary of obstacles in the beam pipe which could prevent the protons from completing their first circuit.

    Superconducting magnets are cooled down using liquid helium



    Mr Myers has experience of the latter problem. While working on the LHC's predecessor, a machine called the Large-Electron Positron Collider, engineers found two beer bottles wedged into the beam pipe - a deliberate, one-off act of sabotage.

    The culprits - who were drinking a particular brand that advertising once claimed would "refresh the parts other beers cannot reach" - were never found.
    After the the beam makes one turn, engineers are due to "close the orbit", allowing the beam to circulate continuously around the LHC.


    Engineers will then try to "capture" it. The beam which circles the LHC is not continuous; it is composed of several packets - each about a metre long - containing billions of protons.

    The protons would disperse if left to their own devices, so engineers use electrical forces to "grab" them, keeping the particles tightly huddled in packets.

    Once the beam has been captured, the same system of electrical forces is used to give the particles an energetic kick, accelerating them to greater and greater speeds.

    After Wednesday's test, engineers will need to get two beams running in opposite directions around the LHC. They can then carry out collisions by smashing them together.

    Long haul

    The idea of the Large Hadron Collider emerged in the early 1980s. The project was eventually approved in 1996 at a cost of 2.6bn Swiss Francs, which amounts to about £1.3bn at present exchange rates.

    However, Cern underestimated equipment and engineering costs when it set out its original budget, plunging the lab into a cash crisis.

    Cern had to borrow hundreds of millions of euros in bank loans to get the LHC completed. The current price is nearly four times that originally envisaged.

    During winter, the LHC will be shut down, allowing equipment to be fine-tuned for collisions at full energy.

    "What's so exciting is that we haven't had a large new facility starting up for years," explained Dr Shears.

    "Our experiments are so huge, so complex and so expensive that they don't come along very often. When they do, we get all the physics out of them that we can."
    Steve Myers said engineers would break out the champagne if all went to plan.
    But a particular brand of beer will not be on the menu, he said.
    Paul.Rincon-INTERNET[at]bbc.co.uk



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    So has the world ended yet or not?

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    I dont think they collide the beams for a week or so. Get a few more shags in while you can!

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    ^^ How would we know?

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    watched a documentary about this thing last night.

    it was quite interesting.

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    One of the scientists has put in a bid for the virgin also, trying to coincide 2 virgin bangs at the same time.

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    I read about a British experiment that cost a fraction of this one and is 'better' apparently. Where did I put that link..?

    Ahh, here it is.

    UK lab challenges Swiss project - Yahoo! News UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    We will be looking at what the Universe was made of billionths of a second after the Big Bang


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    Wouldn't get too excited - looks like the Large Hadron Collider will be nicked and some scallies will put the rest of the equipment up on bricks...
    Last edited by bkkandrew; 10-09-2008 at 07:03 PM.

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    Oh shit, is that all this thread is all about!

    I thought a few of the boys were getting it on (with pictures) down at the "Black Pearl Bar" and in the swimming pool.

    On a more serious note what, and if anything are they going to achieve out of all this really!

    Money could have been better spent on the many existing and life threatening global problems IMO.

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    I wish they'd throw a bone my way, I'm in need a face-lift and a new chin.

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    I can't understand why scientists are all wasting so much money and time over this.

    I recall reading about how God made the Earth in less than a week. This big bang stuff is all rot.

    Actually I really do think it is rubbish. There was no beginning and there will be no end. The Universe simply IS.
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    ^Deep thinker alert

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    Its a lot of money for a big loopy magnet. If it does turn out to be the end of the world then at least France will be one of the first to get suckied into oblivion.

    Theyre hoping it will give them an isight into new physics so they might be able to develop new technologies. I'd be happy with a half decent net connection rather than time travel.
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    ^^
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    Are there no lines to be drawn in science? Trying to recreate a mini-big-bang and black holes underneath europe just coz a few mad scientists want to know where everything came from and how. It seems pointless at this time, and quite possibly dangerous.

    We can, therefore we will....

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    Im planning a "Big Bang" experiment when I hit bangkok in December...

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    Smashing things together with cataclysmic force?

    Happens every night in Aberdeen pubs between bottles and foreheads. The results are amazing.

    So they'll shoot these particles clockwise first, then counterclockwise. And in a few weeks they'll smash them together. Then they'll all slap each other on the back and study the collision for 20 years. In 2028 they'll come to the conclusion that a bunch of particles slammed into each other at a high rate of speed and let off some light and energy.

    Thanks for funding my childrens' university and post-grad costs. Have a nice day.

    When will scientists locate the G-spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkkandrew View Post
    ^Deep thinker alert
    Good!
    We need more dudes who are deep thinkers around here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post

    When will scientists locate the G-spot?
    Nana Plaza.

    There, saved millions of research dollars at a stroke.

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    All that stupid hype over nothing, I had some stupid Romanian girl I know sms me saying "Don't you know what's going on in the world, Angels & Demons is actually happening for real!!"

    It's amazing how we buy into all this drama like we did the Milennium Bug, and it was equally embarrassing to see the hysteria prior to new years eve 1999.

    This 4 billion quid machine will do whatever it does and then, in about one and a half to two years, there will be a small article in the middle pages of the newspapers saying that scientists at CERN have discovered that there was probably phosphorus present after the big bang - whoopee, how exciting.

    I will say that the technicians and scientists do have a sense of humour, and one Katherine McAlpine is a very good rapper but the staff at CERN are such bad dancers they prefer to remain anonymous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat
    When will scientists locate the G-spot?
    Probably long before you do.

    Are you still sticking your fingers up your arse and having a poke around?

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