Thread: UK Hacker loses extradition appeal, he was only looking for UFOs

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Locked up and buggered by a big black lad is more likely CMN.

And the worst part of your one-line TV style 'wisdom' is that this is actually a serious issue in general and a particulaly serious one for the poor chap concerned, whereas its a great big joke for you.

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

may have to be locked up without charge for 9 or 10 years and undergo a bit of torture first though, but when alls said and done.........

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

drag into the largest penal colony in the world have their sights on him

Please, boy's, calm yourselves.

Don't hack other govt systems and you have no worries. Why should one feel sorry for a muppet who knew he was doing wrong?

The same mentality - I need dosh, so let me rob a bank.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

may have to be locked up without charge for 9 or 10 years and undergo a bit of torture first though, but when alls said and done.........

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

drag into the largest penal colony in the world have their sights on him

Please, boy's, calm yourselves.

Do you dispute that the US has, by far and away, the world's largest prison population, both by size and percentage?

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Don't hack other govt systems and you have no worries. Why should one feel sorry for a muppet who knew he was doing wrong?

He is a socially inadequate computer geek. He lives with his mum, having never moved out and is not exactly wordly wise. He is obsessed by UFO's and, in particular, the (alleged) Roswell Incident.

Why wouldn't you feel sorry for him?

Originally Posted by britmaveric

The same mentality - I need dosh, so let me rob a bank.

Then you would be tried in the jurisdiction of where you committed the robbery. Why you are trying to compare the two examples is, however, odd.

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

The Neo-cons searching every corner of the globe for someone to drag into the largest penal colony in the world have their sights on him

I would suggest that this comment is overly general and a tad inaccurate.

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Do you dispute that the US has, by far and away, the world's largest prison population, both by size and percentage?

It is a bloody big country and in some places quiet dangerous so yes it has a one of the worlds largest prison populations. The hacker, if convicted will serve time in the Federal system commonly known as ClubFed so don't cry for the criminal

Originally Posted by Carnwadrick

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Do you dispute that the US has, by far and away, the world's largest prison population, both by size and percentage?

It is a bloody big country and in some places quiet dangerous so yes it has a one of the worlds largest prison populations. The hacker, if convicted will serve time in the Federal system commonly known as ClubFed so don't cry for the criminal

From:

U.S. prison population dwarfs that of other nations - International Herald Tribune

The United States comes in first, too, on a more meaningful list from the prison studies center, the one ranked in order of the incarceration rates. It has 751 people in prison or jail for every 100,000 in population. (If you count only adults, one in 100 Americans is locked up.)

The only other major industrialized nation that even comes close is Russia, with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 people. The others have much lower rates. England's rate is 151; Germany's is 88; and Japan's is 63.

The median among all nations is about 125, roughly a sixth of the American rate.

bkkandrew -- if you have a link or two that describe the case in more detail I would appreciate it. this is the first i have heard of it. thanks.

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

The Neo-cons searching every corner of the globe for someone to drag into the largest penal colony in the world have their sights on him

Lets keep our eye on the original statement as it is ripe with meaning that could get lost in the shuffle.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

bkkandrew -- if you have a link or two that describe the case in more detail I would appreciate it. this is the first i have heard of it. thanks.

Not a bad article:

'Bumbling nerd' who broke into Pentagon computers loses battle against extradition | Technology | The Guardian

Thanks.

"American officials involved in this case have stated that they want to see him 'fry'.

nice.

"The consequences he faces if extradited are both disproportionate and intolerable and we will be making an immediate application to the European Court to prevent his removal."

good luck with that.

You wanna dance you gotta pay the band.

Shit for brains knew he was breaking into computer systems he had no business in.

If I break into Northern Rock, assuming they had any money, and wiped out 5 million accounts, I would expect to be extradited to that country, tried and punished.

Why is obeying laws such a foreign concept to some of you?

I hope he got all the info about the UFOs, can he tell us if they are aliens out there ?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Locked up and buggered by a big black lad is more likely CMN.

Where do i sign up?

That 151 figure for the UK is only as low as that because the prisons are full and they have to let most offenders go!

I go with Nortons argument, his punishment should be sent to the USA, for 5 years, on the payroll at 260K a year and a new Corvette complete with a blonde Bimbo.

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

largest penal colony in the world have their sights on him

Is that China were talking about then? surely not.........they would much rather have him working for them... Oh! that's right China decreases their population by executing you for heinous crimes such as spitting instead of incarcerating you (bad example they actually encourage that, before the Olympics anyway, but I think the point is made)..

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

whereas its a great big joke for you.

taking responsibility for ones own actions is a serious thing no doubt.. he's not a child though his apparent mentality may present him as such..

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

He lives with his mum

So that certainly excuses it then?

Originally Posted by Carnwadrick

The hacker, if convicted will serve time in the Federal system commonly known as ClubFed so don't cry for the criminal

yeah especially for a crime like this, he isn't likely to be incarcerated with the hardened types, and come to think of it why should the US taxpayers pay for his 3 meals a day, long distance calls to his mum and his cable TV? I'm beginning to agree with bkka now...

Originally Posted by Butterfly

I hope he got all the info about the UFOs, can he tell us if they are aliens out there ?

Here is an interview with him. He found it all. Rest easy. Case closed.

'UFO Hacker' Tells What He Found

well, it's obvious that someone of his talent would be useful for some US National Security agency, no doubt he will disappear and work for them 24 underground in the hacking community,

they are not pushing the case because he broke into their shitty network, but only because he could be used by other terrorists !!!

nice link, thanks Norton.

WN: Did you find anything in your search for evidence of UFOs?

McKinnon: Certainly did. There is The Disclosure Project. This is a book with 400 testimonials from everyone from air traffic controllers to those responsible for launching nuclear missiles. Very credible witnesses. They talk about reverse-(engineered) technology taken from captured or destroyed alien craft.

WN: Like the Roswell incident of 1947?

McKinnon: I assume that was the first and assume there have been others. These relied-upon people have given solid evidence.

WN: What sort of evidence?

McKinnon: A NASA photographic expert said that there was a Building 8 at Johnson Space Center where they regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging. I logged on to NASA and was able to access this department. They had huge, high-resolution images stored in their picture files. They had filtered and unfiltered, or processed and unprocessed, files.

My dialup 56K connection was very slow trying to download one of these picture files. As this was happening, I had remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side. There were no visible seams or riveting. There was no reference to the size of the object and the picture was taken presumably by a satellite looking down on it. The object didn't look manmade or anything like what we have created. Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected.

I also got access to Excel spreadsheets. One was titled "Non-Terrestrial Officers." It contained names and ranks of U.S. Air Force personnel who are not registered anywhere else. It also contained information about ship-to-ship transfers, but I've never seen the names of these ships noted anywhere else.

i'm shocked he managed this on a 56k dial up connection.

i might learn hacking.
anybody recommend a good book?

he could face up to 60 years in jail according to the bbc --(radio 4 this morning )
what a joke

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

anybody recommend a good book?

Hacking for Dummies

If he was any good, he wouldn't have been caught.
Often they'll let the hackers go, as long as they're not compromising sensitive files, to learn where they're coming from and what they're snooping for.