UK Hacker loses extradition appeal, he was only looking for UFOs

**zedhex** · 29-08-2008, 12:41 PM

Read the links. There are paid lobbyists currently pushing this on capitol hill, and they are gaining some serious traction too.

bkkandrew · 29-08-2008, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

But you miss the point. At the time of the alleged offence, the defendant was in the UK. If he hacked into the computers he is said to have, he would have contravened the Computer Misuse Act 1990. A summary of the act is below:

This is UK law and applies to hacking into a computer in the UK. The UK court in ruling in this case have correctly stated they have no jurisdiction to prosecute under UK law.

Incorrect.

Read section 4 of the act.

(1) Except as provided below in this section, it is immaterial for the purposes of any offence under section 1 or 3 above—

(a) whether any act or other event proof of which is required for conviction of the offence occurred in the home country concerned; or

(b) whether the accused was in the home country concerned at the time of any such act or event.

The person, or equipment can be in the 'home' country, or not, i.e. England and Wales, or not.

Computer Misuse Act 1990 (c. 18)

**Whiteshiva** · 29-08-2008, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

But you miss the point. At the time of the alleged offence, the defendant was in the UK. If he hacked into the computers he is said to have, he would have contravened the Computer Misuse Act 1990. A summary of the act is below:

This is UK law and applies to hacking into a computer in the UK. The UK court in ruling in this case have correctly stated they have no jurisdiction to prosecute under UK law.

An analogy. A gang robs a bank in New York, the ringleader a UK citizen, is captured in the UK and has never entered the US in his life. Being the bank was in the US he, by definition, has broken no law in the UK and therefore he cannot be prosecuted under UK law. Other than deny the US request for extradition, and release the ringleader because he has broken no UK law, the UK court has no choice but to allow extradition.

Given that logic, would it be possible for Iraq to ask for GB's head on a platter?

**baldrick** · 29-08-2008, 01:37 PM

I think if you delve into this story you will find that he used default passwords etc to gain access to desktop computers - 1337 hax0r mate

NASA etc should be outright embarrased.

and don't forget the ongoning attempt by US law enforcement to extradite an Australian - His crime , being part of a group that was bypassing copy protection on programs and posting it on teh internets - for free - OMG hax0rs

US laws need a good kick in the balls along with syncophant goverments.

bkkandrew · 29-08-2008, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

This quote is very suspicious, what would he says that ? it's completely irrelevant, and nothing to do with java, non-sense, does that guy knows what he is talking about ?

Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected.

yeah, right !!!

They had huge, high-resolution images stored in their picture files. They had filtered and unfiltered, or processed and unprocessed, files.

It would take days to do a reckon of a large organization network, let alone find out what's available or where to find things, hell it takes hours sometimes for a sysadmin to locate his shit on his network, and he built it

Butterfly's top computer tips again?

I hear he is a legend in his own lunchtime in the IT section of the forum!

**pai nai ma** · 29-08-2008, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by baldrick

and don't forget the ongoning attempt by US law enforcement to extradite an Australian - His crime , being part of a group that was bypassing copy protection on programs and posting it on teh internets - for free - OMG hax0rs

link please.

**zedhex** · 29-08-2008, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Originally Posted by Butterfly

This quote is very suspicious, what would he says that ? it's completely irrelevant, and nothing to do with java, non-sense, does that guy knows what he is talking about ?

Because I was using a Java application, I could only get a screenshot of the picture -- it did not go into my temporary internet files. At my crowning moment, someone at NASA discovered what I was doing and I was disconnected.

yeah, right !!!

They had huge, high-resolution images stored in their picture files. They had filtered and unfiltered, or processed and unprocessed, files.

It would take days to do a reckon of a large organization network, let alone find out what's available or where to find things, hell it takes hours sometimes for a sysadmin to locate his shit on his network, and he built it

Butterfly's top computer tips again?

I hear he is a legend in his own lunchtime in the IT section of the forum!

but he is also quite correct.

**baldrick** · 29-08-2008, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

Originally Posted by baldrick

and don't forget the ongoning attempt by US law enforcement to extradite an Australian - His crime , being part of a group that was bypassing copy protection on programs and posting it on teh internets - for free - OMG hax0rs

link please.

I am out of date - he has already been shipped

you could try this one

Just Fucking Google It

or maybe this one

australian extradition united states computer - Google Search

**astasinim** · 29-08-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Texpat

The US has extradition treaties with countries shown in light blue.

Wiki sez: Extradition is the official process by which one nation or state requests and obtains from another nation or state the surrender of a suspected or convicted criminal. Between nation states, extradition is regulated by treaties. Between sub-national regions (for example, the individual states of the U.S.), where extradition is required by law it is more accurately known as rendition.

I stand corrected. Bloody sky news

. I thought it sounded a bit strange, that extradition would only work one way. Maybe its only for specific crimes?

**pai nai ma** · 29-08-2008, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by baldrick

I am out of date - he has already been shipped

Out of date and understated.

**Butterfly** · 29-08-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

Butterfly's top computer tips again?

I hear he is a legend in his own lunchtime in the IT section of the forum!

You wouldn't fucking know, troll, as all you can do is copy/paste stories you don't understand and cry fool when you get owned with your silly logic,

bkkandrew · 29-08-2008, 04:15 PM

^Perfect. Beint called a troll by Butterfly is like being called an 'asshole' (sic) by Blackgang. I am now complete!

**Butterfly** · 29-08-2008, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

I am now a complete 'asshole' !

Yes you are

**kingwilly** · 29-08-2008, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by Slipstream

But what pisses me off and is disturbing is that the UK is rolling over like a poodle to placate the US.

quite.

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Just thinking - if Teakdoor was hosted by an Iranian server, and you posted pictures of nude women here, would it be OK if Iran asked to have you extradited for offending their laws.....? Yeah, a bit far fetched, I know......

not that far fetched really.

Originally Posted by baldrick

NASA etc should be outright embarrased.

hence the reason they wanna make an example of him!

**Texpat** · 31-08-2008, 12:33 AM

Not everything in NASA or DoD is super secret, sensitive and of grave national security. No tellin what areas this guy got into -- but it always makes a great Hollywood storyline to assume he reached the motherload. Show a few egg-faced generals sqwaking around like chickens and a few nerdy techs furiously trying to make things right...

It always happens like that...

**dirtydog** · 31-08-2008, 01:34 AM

Have you seen how 99 percent of the population use their pcs? Internet security, what is that?

**Thormaturge** · 31-08-2008, 02:53 AM

This man was a systems analyst. He knew exactly what he was doing and should have been aware of the consequences. There are more than enough unemployed assholes trawling the internet trying to mess up decent people's lives.

Deport him, sling him inside and don't let him near a computer again until he is capable of using one responsibly. Who knows how many other systems he has hacked iinto and screwed around with before someone caught him.

As for trying people in their home country. NO. If the USA or any other country has computers that are vital to national defence (or even national defense) and Osama binLaden hacks them from a cave in Afghanistan and then uses the chaos he causes to murder innocent civilians in the USA I presume that is OK. D'uh? Oh that's right, try him in Afghanistan.....ROFL

bkkandrew · 31-08-2008, 02:58 AM

^He is a nerdy (white) computer geek living with his mum in the UK. His (alleged) hacking was from his bedroom.

Now, can you again explain the similarities to Osama Bin Laden?

**Thormaturge** · 31-08-2008, 03:23 AM

^
He is a grown man and a systems analyst, not some teenage kid with a PS2. He was hacking into defence computers. Given the chance I expect Mr. binLaden would be happy to do the same without any consequences. A 44 y/o man believes in aliens.... LOL No he was a bitter and twisted screwup trying to mess other people's systems up. I wonder why he doesn't have a job and has to live with mum.

So, Andrew, if you have an internet based business in, say, the UK, and some asshole in Cambodia finds it funny to hack into your website and screw up your livelihood over and over again just for a laugh, do you think that's ok? Or should the asshole be deported to the place where he is doing the damage and face the person whose life he is screwing with?

Let's make this even simpler. If I am standing on the Thai side of the Thai-Lao Friendship bridge and I shoot and kill someone standing on the Lao side, should I not be deported to Laos to stand trial for killing a Lao? What if the Thai authorities don't give a damn and decide not to arrest me? After all, in Thailand all I have done in this hypothetical situation is fire a gun. Nobody got killed in Thailand eh?

bkkandrew · 31-08-2008, 03:26 AM

^Sorry, I missed your similarities to Osama Bin Laden. I have problems with my monitor, perhaps you could re-post them.

**EmperorTud** · 31-08-2008, 03:30 AM

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Osama binLaden hacks them from a cave in Afghanistan and then uses the chaos he causes to murder innocent civilians in the USA I presume that is OK.

Osama being a former CIA asset may have had access to some of those sensitive websites anyway, and may still have.

Anyway, he's no longer in Afghanistan, the Americans let him and his Taliban cohorts go at Tora Bora.

**Thormaturge** · 31-08-2008, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by bkkandrew

^Sorry, I missed your similarities to Osama Bin Laden. I have problems with my monitor, perhaps you could re-post them.

You really can't get this can you?

If harm is done to someone in one country by someone in another country, then they should be made to pay for damage done, regardless of the means they have used.

Just mention "mum" "bedroom" and "computer" and all is fine eh?

God I hope it doesn't transpire that binLaden was living in a cave with his mum planning 9-11 via email, we'd have to let him off.

Where in Law is there a "living with mum" defence?

bkkandrew · 31-08-2008, 04:11 AM

^No, I can't 'get it'.

I asked you for the similarities between him and Osama Bin Laden. You haven't mentioned any thus far, so can we assume that there isn't any?

**dirtydog** · 31-08-2008, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

This man was a systems analyst. He knew exactly what he was doing and should have been aware of the consequences.

But your one of the few that is against servers protecting their clients.....

You even changed servers due to your server protecting your websites.......

**kingwilly** · 31-08-2008, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

As for trying people in their home country. NO. If the USA or any other country has computers that are vital to national defence (or even national defense) and Osama binLaden hacks them from a cave in Afghanistan

So if an American hacks a government computer in Syria, they should be deported to Syria to face the consequences?

Cannot see that happening.

What if an entire government agency does that sort of shit?

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