Thread: Schapelle Corby - Guilty or not?

OK, no problem.
Got nothing personal against you either.

We've all got our views and angles on the deal, so it's worth posting them all, IMO.

There's still a fair bit of interest in the case in some circles, but when I ask around, the ordinary non-Oz Joe doesn't have much of an opinion on the matter and the younger folk don't even know about it.

It's very much an Oz topic and a ganja reform group topic, let alone the feminists.

On the point of legality of use of grass, the stuff should have been decriminalised years ago. The only crime involved in its use is the criminals who took over the pot smoking scene and turned it into a multi billion dollar deal with the added spice of murder.
This is the result of prohibition.

Until the sharks at the top are cut off from making any money out of it, by decriminalisation, grass will always be a major problem for the state and the users.

The same thing applies to hard dugs, which should all be decriminalised and users prescribed the stuff.

It'd be cheaper in the long run for the state, seeing the money wasted on the futile "war on drugs", an American invention, that makes jobs for "the boys" in law enforcement and the legal profession, feeds a gun and surveillance industry and a penal industry.
No charges or convictions, and all those guys would be out of a job.

Right now, we have two main drug dealer groups globally.
One are the drug companies, the biggest drug dealer group, and the other is the criminal black market suppliers, both in competition with each other for the same market.
Both groups rip the public off no end and cause suffering to countless people as a side effect of their profiteering.

Removing the competition by decriminalising all drugs will have the effect of regulating the whole market, as each group, the legal and illegal ones drive the competition and prices sky high.

Decriminalisation and appropriate regulation would decrease the price of all drugs, legal and illegal across the board virtually overnight.
The murder that goes with it would disappear too, along with the massive profits made.
the only real opposition to the idea comes from those with the most to lose from it.
They are the financiers, shareholders and employees in both camps.

Guilty

Originally Posted by ENT

Decriminalisation and appropriate regulation would decrease the price of all drugs, legal

How the hell do you figure that ?

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by ENT

Decriminalisation and appropriate regulation would decrease the price of all drugs, legal

How the hell do you figure that ?

Less people to pay along the way coupled with a better and more regular supply.

So the price of your antibiotics, anti inflammatories and Anti HIv drugs will decrease because Ent can get a stable supply of his marijuana and cocaine ?

Bollocks.

Is ENT a woman? He certainly argues like one.

Originally Posted by thegent

Is ENT a woman? He certainly argues like one.

Shut up or he'll scratch your eyes out, you big brute !

The Ocker pissing ring gathers again.
Unable to post anything bordering on intelligence you revert to type and start slagging.
Some things never change.

Yup, I sent you a green by mistake you weird little chap.
Must be a big deal for ya, eh?

Are you getting all horny over me thegents?
Do I detect an element of homoerotic fantasy in your post, hmmm..?

Little dainty latin dancer's getting all excited over you. you big brute, you! Oohh!

Oh dear, she seems a little upset.

What?
Get upset by a raging queer like you?

Sorry girly, it's just that I don't lie down and take it as you do.

ENT, you're just embarrassing yourself now.

Wazzamara harry?
Wanna join in the piss ring, mate?

Originally Posted by thegent

Is ENT a woman? He certainly argues like one.

Originally Posted by ENT

The Ocker pissing ring gathers again.
Unable to post anything bordering on intelligence you revert to type and start slagging.
Some things never change.

Yup, I sent you a green by mistake you weird little chap.
Must be a big deal for ya, eh?

Are you getting all horny over me thegents?
Do I detect an element of homoerotic fantasy in your post, hmmm..?

Little dainty latin dancer's getting all excited over you. you big brute, you! Oohh!

He speaks like one too !

Best meltdown I've seen on TD in a long time.

Originally Posted by ENT

Wanna join in the piss ring

Ent, I recommend that you stand in front of a massive fuk off fan and piss away like a man possessed.

The result will be you drowning in your own piss and will extinguish any fire on your body resulting from your melt down.


Tell us again why Corby is innocent ?

Charles Manson is innocent as well maybe they get a room.

Originally Posted by terry57

Tell us again why Corby is innocent ?

:

It's the gub'mint.

Wow, deep and intelligent posts.
Amazing.
Keep it up and show the world, you might get famous.

Originally Posted by ENT

The Oz gov. initially did try to defend her and are still parlaying with the Indo gov. on the issue.

Originally Posted by ENT

The Oz gov. would in no way have offered her any help (including two queen's counsels) in her defence if they thought she had anything remotely connected to the drug trade.

you do your case no good spouting off nonsense like that, bENT

The Aussie gov will help any citizen arrested in other countries to the best of their ability, and that includes paying for their defence

they do not make judgements on the guilt or otherwise of the person

That does not make her innocent, just that, under media pressure, Ruddock requested some barristers known to him and his party to get involved. What effect they would have had in an Indonesian court room where the practice of law is vague and they did not speak bahassa is unclear. As expensive go betweens with the Aus government, fine.

And bribes reared their ugly head, that is common in Indonesia and does not suggest she could have got off with the level of bribe being discussed by her Indonesian legal team.

The A$500k reportedly discussed would have got her a lighter sentence, and maybe a payment was made. With that amount of Class I drug the death sentence was a possibility.

Prosecutors have families, mistresses, cars and houses same as anyone else but very little income to pay for it, they are prime candidiates for a little greasing. Tossing the case would have taken far more than A$500k as it would have needed the judge as well to be in on it. In such a case I suspect that all parties, including police, would have needed greasing and SUBSTANTIAL sums would have been paid.

They are all at it in Indonesia, the going rate (backhander) for admission as a judge for a 24 year old fresh from Uni is about US$35k. Got to make it back somehow!!!!

In the meantime, the prosecutor proved his case very easily. He had all the evidence he needed to show that Schorby imported the drugs into a Customs area and was transporting it into Denpasar. Would have been just as easy in a court in London or Sydney.

The defence was spirited but doomed as the evidence was there and they did not manage to discredit it.

Rightly convicted, appropriate sentence, best to do her bird quietly and seek a quiet repatriation to Aus on, ahem, "medical grounds".

She's been playing the "depression" card for years, and also has a nice little shell arrangement in the name of her sister's husband into which her book profits go.

The "poor Schorby she is mentally ill" ploy is working with many Aus feeling sympathy for a mentally ill prisoner rather than a simple drug smuggler.

Many prisoners suffer mentally from long term imprisonment (well, that seems quite normal) but there is a difference between that and a prisoner with a recognised mental illness that is not being treated in jail.

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So ENT's point that

Originally Posted by ENT

The Oz gov. would in no way have offered her any help (including two queen's counsels) in her defence if they thought she had anything remotely connected to the drug trade.

is nullified.

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However, in the event of a death penalty being imposed on an Australian overseas,the Australian gov. will intervene as Australia does not support the death penalty.
On that basis, the Oz gov. intervened on behalf of several prisoners waiting execution.

There is also a move to arrange a prisoner swap with Indonesia, where prisoners not on death row may return to Oz to finish their sentences.

Corby didn't get a death penalty, although the prosecution argued for it. In her case, the Austalian goovermment went to extraordinary lengths to assist her defence, over and above that normally given.