Thread: Denmark bans wearing of face veils in public to uphold 'Danish values'

Originally Posted by jabir

Could solve part of the problem if fingerprint ID ever catches on.

...authorities would suddenly find Muslim wives with missing finger tips...

Originally Posted by Norton

^Damn Jews.

You really must not refer to yourself ^, in such a derogatory, third person manner, sir!

I think it's outrageous that women should be forced to remove their veil. Only the good looking ones should have to remove their veil. The ugly ones can keep it on. IMHO of course. I'll volunteer as veil inspector as it would be a job requiring the utmost tact and subtlety. Two qualities I am well known for........ Sorry darling you have to remove the veil. Not you, FFS keep it on you ugly bitch.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

I think it's outrageous that women should be forced to remove their veil. Only the good looking ones should have to remove their veil. The ugly ones can keep it on

You jest but that actually highlights something that has always bemused me about religion and the Abrahmic religions in particular.

They all have solid elements of misogyny built into them where the woman is the property of and subservient to the man but if you're going to go down that route then why not at least make it worthwhile.

Why make them cover-up in unappealing clothing. Why not make all the women where short skirts or bikinis or something (the hot ones at least ).

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Why not make all the women where short skirts or bikinis or something

...Masai women are good examples...except for the ones over 18 with 6 kids...nature's cruelty on display...

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

You jest but that actually highlights something that has always bemused me about religion and the Abrahmic religions in particular.

They all have solid elements of misogyny built into them where the woman is the property of and subservient to the man but if you're going to go down that route then why not at least make it worthwhile.

Old Gulf War joke:

A reporter in Kuwait before Saddam invaded noticed how the men walked in the front with the women sheepishly following behind.

After the liberation, he return to Kuwait City to see all the men at the back and the men leading the way.

"This is amazing", he said to the men, "you are now treating women as equals. Why?"

To which one of them replied "Landmines".

Originally Posted by cyrille

And considering they are major purveyors of scandi-noir...

And bacon.

There is a significant industry in Islamic female beauty. Even though they have so little to show, especially in hard line sharia regions. They still like make the most of what they’ve got. Even hair styling, manicure/pedicure and make up is very popular with many Muslim women.

Would now be a good time to mention Indonesia? Most women wear head scarves but almost none wear a veil. So veil has nothing to do with religion. It is a tribal custom.

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

So veil has nothing to do with religion. It is a tribal custom.

...true: a fact which may suggest that tribal customs are stronger than religion when it comes to oppressing women...

I’m pretty sure their religion requires certain parts of the body to be covered for Muslim women. It depends which brand of the faith they are required to follow.
Its still subjugation by gender, and not to my personal taste.
Having lived in a moderate Muslim area of Indonesia, I can say that the observation is tolerated and adapted to suit local custom.
I may be wrong about religious requirements as opposed to tribal standards, but it still doesn’t sit well, especially if it’s used to demonise some decent folk of my acquaintance.

Originally Posted by Switch

I’m pretty sure their religion requires certain parts of the body to be covered for Muslim women. It depends which brand of the faith they are required to follow.

It doesn't, it requires them to "dress modestly". Of course some beardy twat has decided that means they have to dress like a fucking penguin.

There was an hilarious phone in on LBC Radio on this topic last night. Some mussie phoned in to tell some shit story his grandad told him that everything beautiful is hidden, "Gold is hidden in gold mines, diamonds in diamond mines", etc., and this is why women are covered up.

Until the host asked him why all the Arabs go strutting around Kensington in their Lambos and Ferraris and proceeded to press him further, at which point he fell to bits and blurted it out that it was because "men can't control themselves".

The host did everything but say "Well we fucking can, it's you simians that can't", but at least the boy got to the truth:

All of this was originally done to stop simians from raping women.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

new law
banning such garments in public places.

Will they force also the turists to comply with the law?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Will they force also the turists to comply with the law?

Why wouldn't they? It's the law.

Then they will not come...

This is a well argued piece imo. Are we really supposed to believe that Boris Johnson, for example, could actually give a shit about the clothing choices of Muslim women?

It is helpful at this point to pause for a moment and explain the role the burqa plays now in political discourse. It is now merely a device, a symbol for people to appear muscular or to telegraph, as it were, a message. The issue of the burqa itself, its merits, demerits, whether it is worn by choice or through coercion, is now meaningless. No one seems to gives a damn what women who wear burqas want or don’t want, and no one seems to be interested in trying to figure out how many women actually do wear the burqa in any given country that is obsessed with it. Burqa has been used as a code – for Muslims, brown people, all the others who want to dictate their ways onto the helpless and authentic people.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...muslim-problem

islamophobes go 'round and 'round...

Limitations on wearing face veils in public have already been enacted in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Bulgaria, and Austria. They’ve been debated as far as Australia and the Canadian province of Quebec. Despite regional differences, a similar pattern of events has recurred in some of the countries. Although not every element of the pattern has appeared in every country, France, Quebec, and Austria, for instance, have followed a progression that goes roughly like this:


First, politicians in a country propose banning the face veil, which is worn by a small number of Muslim women and reflects one interpretation of the Quran’s injunction to “cover and be modest.” They argue that a ban will promote integration, or public safety, or that wearing a veil is inconsistent with national values like gender equality. Pundits and lawmakers loudly debate the policy, and the argument rages in the press. A few propose legal challenges. Eventually, the ban is passed into law.


Then, Muslims protest in the streets together with non-Muslims, some of whom wear veils in solidarity. Then comes yet another round of loud debate, amplified across the media. With time, reports indicate that discrimination against Muslims is rising in the country. Many Muslim women begin to hold more tightly to their religious identity, and some who didn’t wear the veil before the ban now start wearing it as an act of protest. Some others opt to stay home, though it’s impossible to say how widespread the phenomenon is.


If the ban was truly meant to promote gender equality, it appears to backfire. And yet, a few months later, another country enacts its own ban, and the whole process happens all over again.

https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...il-ban/566630/

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Then they will not come...

What a shame.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

It doesn't, it requires them to "dress modestly". Of course some beardy twat has decided that means they have to dress like a fucking penguin.

There was an hilarious phone in on LBC Radio on this topic last night. Some mussie phoned in to tell some shit story his grandad told him that everything beautiful is hidden, "Gold is hidden in gold mines, diamonds in diamond mines", etc., and this is why women are covered up.

Until the host asked him why all the Arabs go strutting around Kensington in their Lambos and Ferraris and proceeded to press him further, at which point he fell to bits and blurted it out that it was because "men can't control themselves".

The host did everything but say "Well we fucking can, it's you simians that can't", but at least the boy got to the truth:

All of this was originally done to stop simians from raping women.

Dress modestly is interpreted differently by different sects. It’s still a requirement, at least within that particular society.
Even if it’s morally repugnant and morally wrong, the local law is adapted by men to suit their own ends.

Originally Posted by Switch

Dress modestly is interpreted differently by different sects. It’s still a requirement, at least within that particular society.
Even if it’s morally repugnant and morally wrong, the local law is adapted by men to suit their own ends.

The whole covering-up-everything shit is a sign or real religious extremism.

For the people that apply these absurd rules it's not about the Quran, it's about them exercising their power the little fucking hitlers.

Denmark has got it wrong. Yes, the burka is oppressive and ridiculous – but that's still no reason to ban it
BORIS JOHNSON

Ah Denmark, what a country. If any society breathes the spirit of liberty, this is it.

It was only a few weeks ago that I was in Copenhagen for some international conference, and as ever I rose early and went for a run. As I passed through some yuppie zone of warehouse conversions and posh restaurants I saw to my amazement that the Danes had also got up early for exercise – and they were diving stark naked into the bracing waters of the harbour. And I thought to myself – that’s the Danes for you; that’s the spirit of Viking individualism.

Read more:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...iculous-still/

Boris Johnson says Muslims wearing burkas 'look like LETTER BOXES’ sparking fury

BORIS Johnson has been slammed after saying Muslim women wearing burkas “look like letter boxes”.

The ex-foreign secretary also described burkas as “absolutely ridiculous” and said their wearers looked like “bank robbers”.

Johnson came out against calls for a ban on the face-covering veils in public places – but compared their wearers to rebellious teenagers.

His comments, in response to the introduction of a burka ban in Denmark, sparked an angry response from Muslim organisations and MPs who accused him of stoking Islamophobia for political gain.

Denmark last week followed France, Germany, Austria and Belgium in banning face-covering garments like the burka and niqab in public places.

Johnson said he felt "fully entitled" to expect women to remove face coverings when talking to him at his MP's surgery, and said schools and universities should be able to take the same approach if a student "turns up ... looking like a bank robber”, writing for the Daily Telegraph.

"If you tell me that the burka is oppressive, then I am with you," he wrote.

"If you say that it is weird and bullying to expect women to cover their faces, then I totally agree – and I would add that I can find no scriptural authority for the practice in the Koran.

"I would go further and say that it is absolutely ridiculous that people should choose to go around looking like letter boxes."



https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/pol...es-bank-robber