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    islamophobes go 'round and 'round...

    Limitations on wearing face veils in public have already been enacted in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Bulgaria, and Austria. They’ve been debated as far as Australia and the Canadian province of Quebec. Despite regional differences, a similar pattern of events has recurred in some of the countries. Although not every element of the pattern has appeared in every country, France, Quebec, and Austria, for instance, have followed a progression that goes roughly like this:


    First, politicians in a country propose banning the face veil, which is worn by a small number of Muslim women and reflects one interpretation of the Quran’s injunction to “cover and be modest.” They argue that a ban will promote integration, or public safety, or that wearing a veil is inconsistent with national values like gender equality. Pundits and lawmakers loudly debate the policy, and the argument rages in the press. A few propose legal challenges. Eventually, the ban is passed into law.


    Then, Muslims protest in the streets together with non-Muslims, some of whom wear veils in solidarity. Then comes yet another round of loud debate, amplified across the media. With time, reports indicate that discrimination against Muslims is rising in the country. Many Muslim women begin to hold more tightly to their religious identity, and some who didn’t wear the veil before the ban now start wearing it as an act of protest. Some others opt to stay home, though it’s impossible to say how widespread the phenomenon is.


    If the ban was truly meant to promote gender equality, it appears to backfire. And yet, a few months later, another country enacts its own ban, and the whole process happens all over again.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...il-ban/566630/

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    Denmark has got it wrong. Yes, the burka is oppressive and ridiculous – but that's still no reason to ban it
    BORIS JOHNSON

    Ah Denmark, what a country. If any society breathes the spirit of liberty, this is it.

    It was only a few weeks ago that I was in Copenhagen for some international conference, and as ever I rose early and went for a run. As I passed through some yuppie zone of warehouse conversions and posh restaurants I saw to my amazement that the Danes had also got up early for exercise – and they were diving stark naked into the bracing waters of the harbour. And I thought to myself – that’s the Danes for you; that’s the spirit of Viking individualism.

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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...iculous-still/

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    And then there are countries sailing in the opposite direction ...

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    Malaysia under fire over plan to control what women wear to work


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    Covering up is an "obligation" under Islam, say religious groups pushing for dress restrictions

    The Malaysian Government's plan to introduce a dress code for Muslim women in the workplace has sparked a backlash from women's
    rights groups, which accuse officials of acting like "fashion police".


    Key points:
    • Government wants to extend dress code for women to private sector
    • Islamic groups complain about flight attendant and hotel worker outfits
    • Women's groups have criticised the move as "dehumanising"


    Women in the Muslim-majority country, which has a large population of ethnic and religious minorities, have been barred from government offices
    in the past for attire that officials deemed as indecent, such as skirts or shorts.

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    Women in the public service already have dress regulations, the new rules would extend these to the private sector.

    Those who work in the civil service already have to follow regulations that typically prohibit women from wearing sleeveless tops or
    skirts above knee level.
    But the Government has now said it is in the final stage of drawing up guidelines for Muslim women in the private sector, which will
    comply with Islamic principles.

    No details have been made public, but Malaysian women's rights groups condemned the dress code.
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    Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    And then there are countries sailing in the opposite direction ...

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    Malaysia under fire over plan to control what women wear to work


    Denmark bans wearing of face veils in public to uphold 'Danish values'-10091286-3x2-940x627-jpg
    Covering up is an "obligation" under Islam, say religious groups pushing for dress restrictions

    The Malaysian Government's plan to introduce a dress code for Muslim women in the workplace has sparked a backlash from women's
    rights groups, which accuse officials of acting like "fashion police".


    Key points:
    • Government wants to extend dress code for women to private sector
    • Islamic groups complain about flight attendant and hotel worker outfits
    • Women's groups have criticised the move as "dehumanising"


    Women in the Muslim-majority country, which has a large population of ethnic and religious minorities, have been barred from government offices
    in the past for attire that officials deemed as indecent, such as skirts or shorts.

    Denmark bans wearing of face veils in public to uphold 'Danish values'-10091298-3x2-940x627-jpg
    Women in the public service already have dress regulations, the new rules would extend these to the private sector.

    Those who work in the civil service already have to follow regulations that typically prohibit women from wearing sleeveless tops or
    skirts above knee level.
    But the Government has now said it is in the final stage of drawing up guidelines for Muslim women in the private sector, which will
    comply with Islamic principles.

    No details have been made public, but Malaysian women's rights groups condemned the dress code.
    That's going to make the Thai Club & Bistro a lot less appealing...

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    Here Here! It's about time. Cant have Women thinking and deciding things for themselves, or next thing they will be expecting to control their own lives. Whatever next!










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    France's ban on full-face Islamic veils violates human rights, UN panel says

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    Anyone wearing a full-face veil in public in France is liable to a fine of $240.

    The UN Human Rights Committee says France's ban on the niqab, the full-face Islamic veil, is a violation of human rights and has called on it to review the legislation.

    Key points:

    • The committee said the ban could lead to women being confined at home
    • France said the law was necessary and respected religious freedom
    • Countries are not required to implement decisions from the rights panel


    France had failed to make the case for its ban, the committee said, and gave Paris 180 days to report back to say what actions it had taken.

    Implementation of its decisions is not mandatory, but under an optional protocol of the treaty, France has an international legal obligation to comply "in good faith".

    "The committee was not persuaded by France's claim that a ban on face covering was necessary and proportionate from a security standpoint or for attaining the goal of 'living together' in society," it said.

    The panel of 18 independent experts oversees compliance with the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR).
    A French Foreign Ministry spokesman said the law was legitimate, necessary and respected religious freedom.


    Also ...

    https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...face-veil.html (Germany's Bavaria to ban full-face veil)

    https://teakdoor.com/world-news/17656...nurseries.html (Norway to ban full-face veil in nurseries, schools and universities)
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    ...current membership of the UN Human Rights Committee:


    COUNTRY TERM EXPIRES IN
    Afghanistan 2020
    Angola 2020
    Australia 2020
    Belgium 2018
    Brazil 2019
    Burundi 2018
    Chile 2020
    China 2019
    Côte d’Ivoire 2018
    Croatia 2019
    Cuba 2019
    Democratic Republic of the Congo 2020
    Ecuador 2018
    Egypt 2019
    Ethiopia 2018
    Georgia 2018
    Germany 2018
    Hungary 2019
    Iceland****
    Iceland was elected on 13 July 2018 to serve as a member from 13 July 2018 to 31 December 2019 to replace the vacancy left by the United States following its decision to withdraw its membership
    2019
    Iraq 2019
    Japan 2019
    Kenya 2018
    Kyrgyzstan 2018
    Mexico 2020
    Mongolia 2018
    Nepal 2020
    Nigeria 2020
    Pakistan 2020
    Panama 2018
    Peru 2020
    Philippines 2018
    Qatar 2020
    Republic of Korea 2018
    Rwanda 2019
    Saudi Arabia 2019
    Senegal 2020
    Slovakia 2020
    Slovenia 2018
    South Africa 2019
    Spain 2020
    Switzerland 2018
    Togo 2018
    Tunisia 2019
    Ukraine 2020
    United Arab Emirates 2018
    United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 2019
    United States of America**
    The United States resigned its membership in the Human Rights Council , effective 1700 hours EDT, June 19 2018
    2019
    Venezuela (Bolivarian Republic of) 2018
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    Côte d’Ivoire
    I expect to see a review from you...wearing your latest threads.

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    ...as it happens, I visited Cote d'Ivoire (Abidjan and up-country many years ago)...I remember wearing a hyper-masculine khaki shirt (Banana Republic) and snake-proof boots...don't recall if I had pants on...

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    Many that I've seen here, should be REQUIRED to wear them. One cannot help lack of aesthetics, but there is no reason to parade one's ugliness, either. The daily shower and shampoo has held me in good stead for many years now.

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    Sri Lanka bans face coverings and closes Catholic churches after Easter bombings

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    Muslim women attend Eid al-Fitr prayers to mark the end of the holy fasting month of Ramadan in Colombo, Sri Lanka in 2017

    Muslim women have been ordered to stop wearing veils in public and Sri Lanka's Catholic churches have been closed as the country imposes strict security measures in the aftermath of the Easter suicide bombings.

    Key points:
    • Sri Lankan President Maithripala Sirisena banned all kinds of face coverings that conceal people's identities
    • The emergency law prevents Muslim women from veiling their faces
    • The country's Catholic churches were closed after warnings more militants remained on the loose


    The closing of all of Sri Lanka's Catholic churches — an extraordinary measure unheard of in the church's centuries on this island off the southern tip of India — came after local officials and the US Embassy in Colombo warned more militants remained on the loose with explosives.

    Islamic State has claimed responsibility for the Easter suicide bombings, which were aimed at churches and hotels and killed more than 250 people.
    President Maithripala Sirisena also banned all kinds of face coverings that may conceal people's identities.

    The emergency law, which takes effect from Monday (local time), prevents Muslim women from veiling their faces.
    The decision came after the cabinet had proposed laws on face veils at a recent meeting.

    Here
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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    Muslim women have been ordered to stop wearing veils in public and Sri Lanka's Catholic churches have been closed as the country imposes strict security measures in the aftermath of the Easter suicide bombings.
    Should close all the mosques. Better yet, bulldoze them like the chinese. Right OhOh ?

    Bulldozing mosques: the latest tactic in China’s war against Uighur culture

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lture-xinjiang

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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Should close all the mosques. Better yet, bulldoze them like the chinese. Right OhOh ?

    Bulldozing mosques: the latest tactic in China’s war against Uighur culture

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lture-xinjiang
    Funnily enough that was my first thought.
    Bulldoze all the mosques in Sri Lanka. Eradicate the physical symbols of Islam completely. No mosques, minarets, call to prayer, burqas,hijabs, everything. No more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Funnily enough that was my first thought.
    Bulldoze all the mosques in Sri Lanka. Eradicate the physical symbols of Islam completely. No mosques, minarets, call to prayer, burqas,hijabs, everything. No more.
    Which is it exactly what the extremists want.

    And that makes it a cretinous idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Which is it exactly what the extremists want.

    And that makes it a cretinous idea.
    Yep. Best thing is just to ignore them. That is not what they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Funnily enough that was my first thought.
    Bulldoze all the mosques in Sri Lanka. Eradicate the physical symbols of Islam completely. No mosques, minarets, call to prayer, burqas,hijabs, everything. No more.
    Funnily enough my first thought after reading your post was that is exactly what ISIS did in Palmyra.

    Even funnier is how all you extremists sound alike

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    Bernard manning went to a Muslim strip club.

    All the men were yelling "show us your face"

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    Quote Originally Posted by VocalNeal View Post
    Bernard manning went to a Muslim strip club.

    All the men were yelling "show us your face"
    When I first arrived in the sandpit, one of the Saudi papers had a report about how many men were distressed when their new brides were revealed in all the glory on the wedding night. They hadn't seen the bride up to that point.

    So the mullahs issued a fatwa saying that they were allowed, pre-engagement, to see ankles, wrists and face as long as a male family member was in attendance.

    Such forward thinking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Bulldoze all the mosques in Sri Lanka. Eradicate the physical symbols of Islam completely. No mosques, minarets, call to prayer, burqas,hijabs, everything. No more.


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    Must be fun at the Airport ...





    ... and a bitch at the beach





    at least they arn't going to get sunburnt.





    from 10 years ago and the cultural integration, on this occasion works. A female Muslin lifesaver, power to her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    ... and a bitch at the beach





    at least they arn't going to get sunburnt.

    These women look happy enough at the beach. No problems that I can see. Awesome apparel for gingers too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    These women look happy enough at the beach. No problems that I can see. Awesome apparel for gingers too.
    Agreed.

    As I posted ...

    Quote Originally Posted by David48atTD View Post
    ... from 10 years ago and the cultural integration, on this occasion works. A female Muslin lifesaver, power to her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by happynz View Post
    These women look happy enough at the beach. No problems that I can see. Awesome apparel for gingers too.
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    Because Ali & Co. are not with them ?
    Less then 1% of muslim women are allowed out on the beach. And the TD aoplogists praise them as happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman View Post
    Less then 1% of muslim women are allowed out on the beach.
    It seems your fuckwittery knows no bounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    It seems your fuckwittery knows no bounds.
    And the abusive country you work in has boundries for ALL their women.
    You like that, don't you ?

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