Thread: UK: Manchester Arena - Explosion, Fatalities

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I would imagine most armed policemen in the UK are ex military, so the training would be the same. If anything, the police have received anti-terrorism training far beyond the military. Both should be formidable against armed terrorists, but not against a bomb.

Its a publicity stunt you poor gullible fool. Its May trying to look ''strong and stable'' before the election. Why has she not explained yet why the security services were warned about the Manchester bomber but did nothing about it?
The squaddies are only there because we dont have enough armed coppers on the ground which is a result of her policies when she was home secretary.

12:05
NHS England confirms that 116 people have been admitted to hospital in total in connection with the Manchester Arena attack.

Seventy-five of them were still in hospital as of 06:00 BST - 25 of them being treated in critical care.




12:12
Manchester United and City's football club chairmen have spoken of "unity" after pledging £1m to an emergency fund for victims and their families.

Khaldoon Al Mubarak, Manchester City's chairman, said he was "humbled" by the strength and solidarity of people in the city.

He said the rival clubs acting together would "serve as a symbol to the world of the unbreakable strength of the spirit of Manchester."

Manchester United executive chairman Ed Woodward agreed, saying both clubs were "right at the heart of our local communities in Manchester".



The Queen has been visiting injured children in a hospital ward. She tells one girl: "I hope it doesn't take too long for you to mend".

She added that the work of the medical staff was "remarkable".

when is the bastards Mosque being raided then?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Home Sec says Abedi was not acting alone.
French Int. say he had IS links.
UK government putting troops in key locations.

Good idea, but to be fair May should also explain how deploying trained and well armed soldiers on a 50-metre grid across the country 24/7, will stop a single jihadist bomber, stabber or rammer.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

12:05
NHS England confirms that 116 people have been admitted to hospital in total in connection with the Manchester Arena attack.

Seventy-five of them were still in hospital as of 06:00 BST - 25 of them being treated in critical care.




12:12
Manchester United and City's football club chairmen have spoken of "unity" after pledging £1m to an emergency fund for victims and their families.

Khaldoon Al Mubarak, Manchester City's chairman, said he was "humbled" by the strength and solidarity of people in the city.

He said the rival clubs acting together would "serve as a symbol to the world of the unbreakable strength of the spirit of Manchester."

Manchester United executive chairman Ed Woodward agreed, saying both clubs were "right at the heart of our local communities in Manchester".



The Queen has been visiting injured children in a hospital ward. She tells one girl: "I hope it doesn't take too long for you to mend".

She added that the work of the medical staff was "remarkable".

Nice of Lizzy to turn up. She wasnt upset enough to cancel her garden party the day after the bombing but at least now the palace PR department is trying to make her look concerned.

Originally Posted by Thai3

when is the bastards Mosque being raided then?

It could have been raided months ago when the security services were first warned about the bomber but they chose not to act. We have had no explanation from government as to why they did fuck all about a clearly dangerous Jihadist but we do have the squaddies on the ground publicity stunt to make Theresa May try to look like she is in control.

Originally Posted by jabir

Good idea, but to be fair May should also explain how deploying trained and well armed soldiers on a 50-metre grid across the country 24/7, will stop a single jihadist bomber, stabber or rammer.

They won't and neither will increasing the size of the police force. The troops are deployed to give reassurances to a worried public.

Originally Posted by Scottish Gary

Originally Posted by Thai3

when is the bastards Mosque being raided then?

It could have been raided months ago when the security services were first warned about the bomber but they chose not to act.

Probably for the same reason that the police and local councils failed to act over the kiddy fiddlers of greater Manchester,.... PC bullsh*t and corruption.

How many suspects are on the MI5 watch list?

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

How many suspects are on the MI5 watch list?

Just over 3,000 according to Andrew "Nosey" Parker, DG of MI5.

Manchester attack: Top US diplomat condemns media leak

The New York Times says this evidence was gathered at the scene of the attack

Leaks of the investigation into the Manchester attack to the US media were "reprehensible" and will be stopped, the top US diplomat in the UK has said.
Lewis Lukens told the BBC he condemned them "unequivocally" and would take action to identify those responsible.

It comes as police described the eight arrests made since Monday night's bombing, in which 22 adults and children were killed, as significant.
They also say items seized in raids are believed to be "very important".

On Wednesday, the New York Times outraged British police and government officials when it published photos appearing to show debris from the attack.

Greater Manchester Police were said to be "furious" and said they would stop sharing information with the US.

The New York Times newspaper has defended its decision to publish the pictures, saying they were "neither graphic nor disrespectful of victims".

But in a BBC interview, acting US ambassador to the UK Mr Lukens said: "We have heard the message loud and clear from Her Majesty's government and we agree with their concerns and we're determined to take action.

Intelligence co-operation across the Atlantic "keeps both of our countries much safer" but it was "up to the UK ultimately to determine how we work together on this", he told BBC Radio 4's World At One.

"These leaks are terrible, and again let me just say in the strongest possible terms that we condemn them and we are determined to investigate and to bring appropriate action."

Police believe Manchester-born suicide bomber Salman Abedi, from a family of Libyan origin, acted as part of a network.

Whitehall sources say 22-year-old Abedi was among a "large pool of people whose risk was kept under review" by security services.
Manchester attack: Top US diplomat condemns media leak - BBC News

I've got friends in the emergency services who haven't seen their families since this started.

Without going into too much detail to protect the sources because this is not in the mainstream media yet.

28 suspects have been arrested in the Greater Manchester area in connection.

The last one today a few hours ago, a close associate of the bomber.

Left a rucksack in a college reception and got a taxi home!


The services are stretched to the limit.

Must be Busy , I heard it on the radio that the largest population of Libyans living outside of Libya are in Manchester

Originally Posted by ENT

"These leaks are terrible, and again let me just say in the strongest possible terms that we condemn them and we are determined to investigate and to bring appropriate action."

I am confused what's all this fuss about: Did the US know the name before the attack or after?

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

How many suspects are on the MI5 watch list?

The number of people practicing the religion of Islam in the United Kingdom exceeds 3 million for the first time.

There were 124,066 officers in the year ending March 2016 compared with 143,769 seven years ago - a fall of 14%.

Busy, busy days ahead for the coppers.

Not all muslims are suspects.We are not yet a police state. As the head of MI5 said, 3,000 suspects on the watchlists.

LBC with two clips from the police federation conference 2015 in which a Manchester policeman accuses Theresa May of exposing the public to terrorist attacks with her cuts to the police force. May responded by calling it scare mongering.

A possible suspicious package has been declared safe after army bomb disposal experts were called to a street in Hulme, near Manchester city centre.



Bomb unit declares package safe - BBC News

What the article doesn't inform you is that the package(A rucksack) was left by a known associate of Salman Ramadan Abedi.

The off-duty police officer killed in the Manchester attack on Monday has been named as Elaine McIver.

The Cheshire officer, who was at the Ariana Grande concert with her husband and two children, was “an effervescent and outgoing personality”, her family said, adding that she would want people to continue their lives without fear. Her husband, Paul, remains critically ill.

Police say the relatives of all 22 people killed in Manchester have been informed and specialist officers have been supporting families. The victims included a primary schoolgirl, teenagers, mothers, fathers and young men.

Postmortem examinations will be carried out over the next four days and the police will then release a full list of those killed in the worst terrorist incident in the UK since the 7 July attacks in 2005. Many families announced the news of their loss on social media. Others issued statements through the police to pay tribute to their family members.

McIver’s family said she was was a woman who loved life. “Despite what has happened to her, she would want us all to carry on regardless and not be frightened by fear tactics. Instead she regularly urged us all to rise up against it,” they said.

The family of Michelle Kiss, a mother of three from Lancashire, announced that her life had been taken in the “most traumatic way imaginable”. Her youngest daughter, Millie, who went to the concert with her mother, survived.

Among others identified were a 14-year-old Cheshire schoolgirl, Nell Jones, and a “bubbly and kind” 51-year-old school receptionist, Jane Tweddle-Taylor.

Courtney Boyle, 19, was killed at the concert along with her stepfather, Philip Tron, 32. Her mother said Courtney had made her “so proud” and her “gorgeous crazy” partner had made her world “a happy place”.

Olivia Campbell, a 15-year-old from Bury, Kelly Brewster, a 32-year-old office worker from Sheffield, and Martyn Hett, a 29-year-old PR manager from Stockport, also died.

Eilidh MacLeod, a 14-year-old from Barra in the Outer Hebrides, was among the dead victims identified. She was described by her parents as “vivacious and full of fun”.

The deaths of Alison Howe and Lisa Lees, friends who were waiting at the venue to pick up their daughters, were confirmed on Wednesday. As were those of Angelika and Marcin Klis, Polish nationals living in York who had also been waiting to collect their daughters at the concert hall

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I would imagine most armed policemen in the UK are ex military,

You imagine wrong. It takes 2 years to qualify as a police officer in the UK. It then takes another 2 years to qualify as a firearms officer and you would normally be expected to have another few years experience between qualifying as a police officer and applying to join SCO19 (Armed Police). It is possible for an ex-soldier to go through an abbreviated course to become a police officer but as police forces in the UK are aware that the work and training of soldiers is entirely different from the work and training of armed police squaddies don't usually make it into SCO19

I think not leveraging the training of ex military is a bit of a waste, unless the UK does not feel this type of training would be needed with facing armed terrorists. Training in finding active terrorists seems to be a bit lacking in all countries, probably due to the sheer number of suspects on any given watch list. The process of stopping any terrorist actions against the general public seems to be improving, but it is still a long way from where everyone needs to be. It would definitely help if those close to the radical militants would keep their ears and eyes open and report any known plans to cause harm. It is amazing to me that hardly anyone has stepped forward, even though they might have known something.

Yes, I do realize all the past history with terrorism in the UK, but it is still taking place. Why would your police force be reduced when terrorism is on the rise? Someone said increasing police numbers would not help, but I would have to disagree. Why else put the military out on the streets?

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Hopefully the UK has a better choice of leaders to vote for than we had the last time around.