Thread: UK: Manchester Arena - Explosion, Fatalities

Originally Posted by ENT

Not one word of condemnation of ISIS or any other Muslim jihadist group did he utter after the Manchester bomb went off.

Nor did the Queen, the Pope, Prince Phillip, the Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, or Nigel Farage. The Scum! Following your argument it's obvious they must all sympathise with Jihadi terrorists.

RIP little ones ... and the big ones too. How awful.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

rid the middle east or rid the world?

it's ironic that it's the u.k with it's colonialism and the u.s. with it's post ww2 neo-colonialism who have tried to control the "world", isn't it?

it's pure paranoia to think the west is under threat of being taken over by islam.

Rid the world. Have you not been listening and understanding.

are you afraid?

if i were an iraqi or a syrian who has lived in those countries since the us/uk invaded iraq, i'd be afraid or dead.

you have no reason to be afraid.

Anyone here dead already?

After Manchester: it’s time for anger

We need more than mourning in response to the new barbarism.

Where’s the rage? If the massacre of children and their parents on a fun night out doesn’t make you feel rage, nothing will. The terrorist has defeated you. You are dead already.

It is becoming clear that the top-down promotion of a hollow ‘togetherness’ in response to terrorism is about cultivating passivity. It is about suppressing strong public feeling. It’s about reducing us to a line of mourners whose only job is to weep for our fellow citizens, not ask why they died, or rage against their dying. The great fear of both officialdom and the media class in the wake of terror attacks is that the volatile masses will turn wild and hateful. This is why every attack is followed by warnings of an ‘Islamophobic backlash’ and heightened policing of speech on Twitter and gatherings in public: because what they fundamentally fear is public passion, our passion. They want us passive, empathetic, upset, not angry, active, questioning. They prefer us as a lonely crowd of dutiful, disconnected mourners rather than a real collective of citizens demanding to know why our fellow citizens died and how we might prevent others from dying. We should stop playing the role they’ve allotted us.

After Manchester: it?s time for anger | Brendan O?Neill | spiked

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

rid the middle east or rid the world?

it's ironic that it's the u.k with it's colonialism and the u.s. with it's post ww2 neo-colonialism who have tried to control the "world", isn't it?

it's pure paranoia to think the west is under threat of being taken over by islam.

Rid the world. Have you not been listening and understanding.

are you afraid?

if i were an iraqi or a syrian who has lived in those countries since the us/uk invaded iraq, i'd be afraid or dead.

you have no reason to be afraid.

So using your logic, I guess nobody in Manchester should have been afraid, or Paris, or Belgium. .......

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

So using your logic, I guess nobody in Manchester should have been afraid, or Pais, or Belgium. .......

compared to civilians living in iraq and syria since the us/uk invasion whose lives are seriously in danger (from ISIS and u.s./uk bombs over the past 10+ years)?

the chances of a westerner being killed by a terrorist are obviously thousands of times less than being killed in a car accident.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

So using your logic, I guess nobody in Manchester should have been afraid, or Pais, or Belgium. .......

compared to civilians living in iraq and syria since the us/uk invasion whose lives are seriously in danger?

Who's doing most of the killing out there?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Rid the world.

The funny thing is that you are serious.

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

So using your logic, I guess nobody in Manchester should have been afraid, or Pais, or Belgium. .......

compared to civilians living in iraq and syria since the us/uk invasion whose lives are seriously in danger (from ISIS and u.s./uk bombs over the past 10+ years)?

the chances of a westerner being killed by a terrorist are obviously thousands of times less than being killed in a car accident.

Not for long, unless some solutions are found.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

rid the middle east or rid the world?

it's ironic that it's the u.k with it's colonialism and the u.s. with it's post ww2 neo-colonialism who have tried to control the "world", isn't it?

it's pure paranoia to think the west is under threat of being taken over by islam.

Rid the world. Have you not been listening and understanding.

are you afraid?

if i were an iraqi or a syrian who has lived in those countries since the us/uk invaded iraq, i'd be afraid or dead.

you have no reason to be afraid.

So using your logic, I guess nobody in Manchester should have been afraid

And I doubt they were. But if you had proof otherwise .....

Originally Posted by ENT

Who's doing most of the killing out there?

don't know who has killed more civilians since the uk/us invasion of iraq (interesting question), but my point is that syrians and iraqis have lived under fear from both ISIS and the u.s./uk's "shock and awe" and occupation.

why are syria and iraq under threat from ISIS?

because the neo-cons had a dream of spreading democracy throughout the middle east (getting rid of secular "strongmen" who despised islamists),

while following pnac and clean break plans.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Rid the world.

The funny thing is that you are serious.

And you are not.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

The desire to rid the world of western infidels came well before 911, they were just waiting for a good excuse to initiate. Iraq gave them that excuse and away they went. Whether it can be stopped remains to be seen.

Start another thread in Speakers Corner, Rick. Post up your evidence, reasoning, logic, references, links, whatever you've got. Should be an interesting thread.

Three more people have been arrested in connection with the Manchester concert attack as troops were deployed on to the streets of the UK after the government raised the terrorist threat level to critical for the first time since July 2007.

Greater Manchester police said on Wednesday they had arrested three men in south Manchester.

A neighbour at a property in south Manchester identified one of the men detained as Adel Forjani, in his mid-40s, whose grown-up son was also taken away, he said. Omar al-Faqhuri said the family were from Libya and had lived in the house for 15 years.

On Tuesday, police arrested a 23-year-old man in Chorlton, in the south of the city, near an address where the family of suspected bomber Salman Ramadan Abedi had previously lived. The home secretary, Amber Rudd, said it was “likely” Abedi had not acted alone.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ake-to-streets

What Neverna? To lazy to do the research yourself? All it takes is some reading comprehension.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

What Neverna? To lazy to do the research yourself? All it takes is some reading comprehension.

ok, go on then why should europeans feel more fear than those in iraq and syria since the us/uk invasion of iraq?

Good. Harry is back on track.

Three more men have been arrested as police continue to investigate whether Manchester Arena bomber Salman Abedi acted alone.
Police arrested the three in the city on Wednesday. Abedi's 23-year-old brother was arrested on Tuesday.http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40023488

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

What Neverna? To lazy to do the research yourself? All it takes is some reading comprehension.

Like you did earlier when you posted your Sadiq Khan fake news and then totally ignored the real facts? Someone, like you, who deliberately chooses to believe falsehoods is in no position to talk about either research (and I doubt you actually know what that word means) or comprehension

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

compared to civilians living in iraq and syria since the us/uk invasion whose lives are seriously in danger (from ISIS and u.s./uk bombs over the past 10+ years)?

the chances of a westerner being killed by a terrorist are obviously thousands of times less than being killed in a car accident.

Not for long, unless some solutions are found.

ok, let me get this straight: iraq had cities like falugha invaded by us/uk forces and all the civilians had to flee while house-to-house fighting went on. (this could happen in manchester?)

syria had power taken away from the central government (assad) as isis spread from iraq and the west opposed assad.

you really think something like this could happen in the west?

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

compared to civilians living in iraq and syria since the us/uk invasion whose lives are seriously in danger (from ISIS and u.s./uk bombs over the past 10+ years)?

the chances of a westerner being killed by a terrorist are obviously thousands of times less than being killed in a car accident.

Not for long, unless some solutions are found.

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

And still the same ole Neverna. Please get a new act.

I realize you are trying to get this thread moved to the catch all Muslim thread in the dog house, but I guess it is not your call after all.

Not at all. The News thread on the topic of UK: Manchester Arena - Explosion, Fatalities is just fine where it is. Most of the other stuff posted by the likes of you, ENT, Thai3 and wislonandson, belong in the mega thread. It's that way, by the way >>>

Originally Posted by blue

Where’s the rage?

I guess the author doesn't understand the British, English, Scottish, Welsh et al..

Tend not to lose their temper in public. And anyway revenge is a dish best served cold!

That being said ignoring an agitator is a way to diminish the effect.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

This thread is to big to be dog housed.
A lot of hot air, but can someone actually give a solution to the problem.

1)The obvious solution is to continue rounding up jihadists as they're identified, jail them then deport them, if possible.
2)Cut immigration from Muslim countries to a minimum, vet all immigrants for extreme views.
3)Close all mosques that terrorists habitually attended.
4)Monitor all other mosques and their leaders.
5)Close all Muslim schools that don't conform to OFSTED guidelines.
6)Ban polygamy in UK.
7)Bar all child brides entry into UK.
8)Instigate a total crackdown on FGM
9)Re-erect all security cameras removed from Muslim districts.
10)Put more resources into the Prevent programme.
11)Get used to armed police and soldiers on the streets.
12)Vet all voters' IDs at elections, ban all multiple delivered postal votes, all to be posted individually.
13)Continue pressuring all gangs, black, white, pink, purple or khaki.
14) Decriminalize all drugs, put addicts on doctors' scripts, so cutting funds to jihadists and other criminals. The money saved in policing and jailing druggies will more than pay for the program.

Just a few ideas.

Oh, the really obvious one, check all declared or undeclared interests held by every elected government or council member.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

This thread is to big to be dog housed.
A lot of hot air, but can someone actually give a solution to the problem.

1)The obvious solution is to continue rounding up jihadists as they're identified, jail them then deport them, if possible.
2)Cut immigration from Muslim countries to a minimum, vet all immigrants for extreme views.
3)Close all mosques that terrorists habitually attended.
4)Monitor all other mosques and their leaders.
5)Close all Muslim schools that don't conform to OFSTED guidelines.
6)Ban polygamy in UK.
7)Bar all child brides entry into UK.
8)Instigate a total crackdown on FGM
9)Re-erect all security cameras removed from Muslim districts.
10)Put more resources into the Prevent programme.
11)Get used to armed police and soldiers on the streets.
12)Vet all voters' IDs at elections, ban all multiple delivered postal votes, all to be posted individually.
13)Continue pressuring all gangs, black, white, pink, purple or khaki.
14) Decriminalize all drugs, put addicts on doctors' scripts, so cutting funds to jihadists and other criminals. The money saved in policing and jailing druggies will more than pay for the program.

Just a few ideas.

Oh, the really obvious one, check all declared or undeclared interests held by every elected government or council member.

Would that have prevented the guy blowing himself up in Manchester Arena?