Thread: UK: Manchester Arena - Explosion, Fatalities

Could have.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Would that have prevented the guy blowing himself up in Manchester Arena?

no, assad and iran need some "shock and awe" like saddam got.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

This thread is to big to be dog housed.
A lot of hot air, but can someone actually give a solution to the problem.

1)The obvious solution is to continue rounding up jihadists as they're identified, jail them then deport them, if possible.
2)Cut immigration from Muslim countries to a minimum, vet all immigrants for extreme views.
3)Close all mosques that terrorists habitually attended.
4)Monitor all other mosques and their leaders.
5)Close all Muslim schools that don't conform to OFSTED guidelines.
6)Ban polygamy in UK.
7)Bar all child brides entry into UK.
8)Instigate a total crackdown on FGM
9)Re-erect all security cameras removed from Muslim districts.
10)Put more resources into the Prevent programme.
11)Get used to armed police and soldiers on the streets.
12)Vet all voters' IDs at elections, ban all multiple delivered postal votes, all to be posted individually.
13)Continue pressuring all gangs, black, white, pink, purple or khaki.
14) Decriminalize all drugs, put addicts on doctors' scripts, so cutting funds to jihadists and other criminals. The money saved in policing and jailing druggies will more than pay for the program.

Just a few ideas.

Oh, the really obvious one, check all declared or undeclared interests held by every elected government or council member.

Would that have prevented the guy blowing himself up in Manchester Arena?

Originally Posted by ENT

Could have.

Which action?

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

This thread is to big to be dog housed.
A lot of hot air, but can someone actually give a solution to the problem.

1)The obvious solution is to continue rounding up jihadists as they're identified, jail them then deport them, if possible.
2)Cut immigration from Muslim countries to a minimum, vet all immigrants for extreme views.
3)Close all mosques that terrorists habitually attended.
4)Monitor all other mosques and their leaders.
5)Close all Muslim schools that don't conform to OFSTED guidelines.
6)Ban polygamy in UK.
7)Bar all child brides entry into UK.
8)Instigate a total crackdown on FGM
9)Re-erect all security cameras removed from Muslim districts.
10)Put more resources into the Prevent programme.
11)Get used to armed police and soldiers on the streets.
12)Vet all voters' IDs at elections, ban all multiple delivered postal votes, all to be posted individually.
13)Continue pressuring all gangs, black, white, pink, purple or khaki.
14) Decriminalize all drugs, put addicts on doctors' scripts, so cutting funds to jihadists and other criminals. The money saved in policing and jailing druggies will more than pay for the program.

Just a few ideas.

Oh, the really obvious one, check all declared or undeclared interests held by every elected government or council member.

Your voter manifesto will win votes at the moment, may even gain your deposit back.

Which constituency do you intend to stand in the forth coming election?

Originally Posted by ENT

1)The obvious solution is to continue rounding up jihadists as they're identified, jail them then deport them, if possible.
2)Cut immigration from Muslim countries to a minimum, vet all immigrants for extreme views.
3)Close all mosques that terrorists habitually attended.
4)Monitor all other mosques and their leaders.
5)Close all Muslim schools that don't conform to OFSTED guidelines.
6)Ban polygamy in UK.
7)Bar all child brides entry into UK.
8)Instigate a total crackdown on FGM
9)Re-erect all security cameras removed from Muslim districts.
10)Put more resources into the Prevent programme.
11)Get used to armed police and soldiers on the streets.
12)Vet all voters' IDs at elections, ban all multiple delivered postal votes, all to be posted individually.
13)Continue pressuring all gangs, black, white, pink, purple or khaki.
14) Decriminalize all drugs, put addicts on doctors' scripts, so cutting funds to jihadists and other criminals. The money saved in policing and jailing druggies will more than pay for the program.

before the u.s./u.k. invaded iraq (2003), would any of those measures against muslim brits have even crossed the minds of any brits (the likes of you)?

are you still denying the link between terrorism in the uk and the us/uk invasion of iraq?

^^ One would need a better manifesto than that to win an election.

Lots of developments if anyone's bothered..

A serving police officer was among one of the victims of the Manchester Arena terror attack, police have confirmed.

The victim will not be named, Manchester police chief Ian Hopkins said. She is from the Cheshire Constabulary, police sources told The Independent.

The policewoman's husband is critically ill and her children were injured in the attack, the BBC reported.

The announcement came as part of a press conference where Hopkins also confirmed that it was "very clear this is a network" that authorities are investigating.
Police say terror 'network' was behind Manchester suicide attack
"And as I've said, it continues at a pace," he said. "There's extensive investigations going on and activity taking place across Greater Manchester as we speak."

The serving police officer is one of 22 people confirmed dead after the attack, all of whom have been identified. Only some of those victims have been named so far and many more are missing.



Mohammed Shafiq, the chief executive of Ramadhan Foundation in Manchester, said:

I love Manchester and its people - we are a resolute people and will not be divided by these barbaric animals or cowered by their violence.

We reject this barbaric terrorism, we commit to exposing the evil ideology of violence behind it and stand together with our fellow Mancunians.

Harun Khan, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said:

May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.

Very funny thread now. I haven't laughed so much since Trump won the election..

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

This thread is to big to be dog housed.
A lot of hot air, but can someone actually give a solution to the problem.

1)The obvious solution is to continue rounding up jihadists as they're identified, jail them then deport them, if possible.
2)Cut immigration from Muslim countries to a minimum, vet all immigrants for extreme views.
3)Close all mosques that terrorists habitually attended.
4)Monitor all other mosques and their leaders.
5)Close all Muslim schools that don't conform to OFSTED guidelines.
6)Ban polygamy in UK.
7)Bar all child brides entry into UK.
8)Instigate a total crackdown on FGM
9)Re-erect all security cameras removed from Muslim districts.
10)Put more resources into the Prevent programme.
11)Get used to armed police and soldiers on the streets.
12)Vet all voters' IDs at elections, ban all multiple delivered postal votes, all to be posted individually.
13)Continue pressuring all gangs, black, white, pink, purple or khaki.
14) Decriminalize all drugs, put addicts on doctors' scripts, so cutting funds to jihadists and other criminals. The money saved in policing and jailing druggies will more than pay for the program.

Just a few ideas.

Oh, the really obvious one, check all declared or undeclared interests held by every elected government or council member.

Your voter manifesto will win votes at the moment, may even gain your deposit back.

Which constituency do you intend to stand in the forth coming election?

Any one where the Monster Raving Loony Party doesn't already have a candidate.

Talking of which, some of their policies:

Some Brexit Policies
30th April 17
Health – Germany to pay for all treatment of German Measles, and Spain ditto for Spanish Flu.
France must give us back Brittany.
All Europeans to pay to use the English Channel, and all Creme Anglais to be made in Britain.

Originally Posted by ENT

Muslim schools and mosques were few and far between in UK pre Blair days.
But people started to think about how cuckoo Muslims are and what to do about their threats to British life and freedom of speech and expression around 1989, with Khomeini's fatwah against Salman Rushdie, where a huge protest march along Hyde Park made Londoners in particular think differently about Muslims. Muslim student groups also got militant at the time, threatening book store owners and even artists painting real life (people) at Hyde Park.

It wasn't just a protest march, Muslim thugs were ducking in and out of the marchers to harass artists at their pitches, if their work was considered un-Islamic, as mine were. If it wasn't for police protection I would have been a casualty, so I have no respect for Islam and its ways.
Things along those lines escalated from there, tit for tat, as Muslims exercised their right to freedom of expression and to protest, but objected to me and other artists expressing our views through painting, particularly in depicting the human form.

That was long before Blair and Bush's ill conceived invasion of Iraq, which I was completely against, that was all an American dreamed up oil war, nothing else. There were no weapons of mass destruction to fight over.

excellent reply and shows that the likes of td (like you) can debate rather than send childish reds.

Originally Posted by ENT

That was long before Blair and Bush's ill conceived invasion of Iraq, which I was completely against, that was all an American dreamed up oil war, nothing else. There were no weapons of mass destruction to fight over.

yep

Originally Posted by ENT

If it wasn't for police protection I would have been a casualty, so I have no respect for Islam and its ways.

Things along those lines escalated from there, tit for tat, as Muslims exercised their right to freedom of expression and to protest,

ok, fair enough and i've seen statistics that muslims in the uk and europe don't integrate as well as they do in the states as they tend to gheto-ize.

pretty sure that would be the discussion now, if 911 and the us/uk invasion/occupation of iraq hadn't happened.

rather than millions of civilian iraqis and syrians being killed in the (us/uk) invasion/occupation of iraq and the hundreds killed in the uk.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Harun Khan, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said:

May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.

Mohammad said something different though and so does his koran, plus this guy is probably not being truthful anyway, they are such devious liars and say anything to suit their interests. He wont condemn the ideology that caused 22 deaths will he.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Would that have prevented the guy blowing himself up in Manchester Arena?

Originally Posted by ENT

Could have.

Which action?[/QUOTE]

#10.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Neverna

Would that have prevented the guy blowing himself up in Manchester Arena?

Originally Posted by ENT

Could have.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Which action?

#10.

I can't see how it would have in this particular case.

The Imam at his mosque could have spoken up earlier when he realized that the perp was full of hate for moderate Islam, as reported.

The muzzies are winding you twats up, by the very fact you're talking about these scum.

All you need is a bullet.

Xs- many times.

Originally Posted by ENT

The Imam at his mosque could have spoken up earlier when he realized that the perp was full of hate for moderate Islam, as reported.

And "more resources" for Prevent would have changed that how?

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The muzzies are winding you twats up, by the very fact you're talking about these scum.

All you need is a bullet.

Xs- many times.

when it comes down to it: could have been a depressed muslim kid who got training from ISIS or a domestic/foreign intelligence agency (let's be honest).

Originally Posted by Farangrakthai

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

The muzzies are winding you twats up, by the very fact you're talking about these scum.

All you need is a bullet.

Xs- many times.

when it comes down to it: could have been a depressed muslim kid who got training from ISIS or a domestic/foreign intelligence agency (let's be honest).

OK,

That could be the case.

It could be a coincidence over the last dozens of attacks in recent years. Maybe they react to "deppression" differently.

Now multiply is many, many, times for tomorrow and the future, in Europe.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by ENT

The Imam at his mosque could have spoken up earlier when he realized that the perp was full of hate for moderate Islam, as reported.

And "more resources" for Prevent would have changed that how?

Government plans to spend more money on counter-radicalisation strategy Prevent


The Government plans to go ahead with pumping more money into its Prevent counter-radicalisation strategy in the wake of the Manchester attack, the Home Secretary has said.

Amber Rudd said there would be an "uplift" in Prevent as she praised the programme's "good work".

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, she said: "There is an industry out there that doesn't like Prevent, but I can tell you that 150 people for instance were stopped, because of Prevent activity, from travelling to Syria last year, 50 of whom were children.

"There were 142 community organisations working in communities. I've been to visit some of them to stop young people becoming radicalised. They do good work.

"We can always learn more, we can always improve and as the threat against us changes, we need to make sure that our defences change. I have been proposing and we will be going ahead with an uplift in Prevent and when we do that we will also be making sure that it has (an) even more effective outcomes in communities to protect us, to keep us safe."

Asked if this meant more money, she went on: "Absolutely, I already proposed that a number of months ago and we will be going ahead with that I hope after June."

David Anderson QC, a former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, said Prevent had been a controversial strategy in some communities, but said he thought the Manchester attack "might focus some minds".

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, he said: "The important thing to recognise is that of course we need a policy to prevent our young people from strapping on suicide belts and being drawn into terrorism.

"It's just that if the policy is to be as effective as it possibly can be it needs to be not only strengthened, which I think is what certainly the last government had in mind, but also palatable to all the communities that it affects.

"We have a counter-terrorism budget of something like £3 billion a year, Prevent in some ways is the most important part of that because it holds the long term solution to these terrible problems, but it's only 1% of the amount of money that we spend and it's very important I think that we spend it as effectively as we possibly can."

Labour former Home Office minister Hazel Blears spoke of the importance of combating the "evil ideology" that underpins radicalisation.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, she said: "This morning our thoughts are with all the families in Manchester but I do think that we need to think very seriously about our counter-terrorism strategy, it has the four ps: prevent, pursue, prepare and protect and for me the most important one has always been the prevent part.

"It hasn't always been given the kind of priority, resources and attention that I think is absolutely vital."

She added: "But as well as the traditional things we've done around working with communities and bringing people together and trying to create that sense of cohesion, I think now there is an even more pressing need and that is to really have a programme of combating this evil ideology that underpins this radicalisation and eventually the actions that lead to murder and destruction as we've seen."

She went on: "Because if you've got an ideology that says it's alright to kill yourself, because if you commit suicide you'll go to paradise, an ideology that says you hate Western values, and you whip people up almost through grooming vulnerable people, particularly online and you get them to the point where they are prepared to kill themselves together with hundreds of other people, then that ideology needs to be deconstructed, taken apart, challenged at every level and I really don't think that we are doing enough in that space."


Government plans to spend more money on counter-radicalisation strategy Prevent (From Asian Image)

That doesn't answer the question of: "more resources" for Prevent would have changed that how?

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by ENT

The Imam at his mosque could have spoken up earlier when he realized that the perp was full of hate for moderate Islam, as reported.

And "more resources" for Prevent would have changed that how?

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Now multiply is many, many, times for tomorrow and the future, in Europe.

many, many us/uk bombs (millions, literally of them) dropping on iraq and then causing the conflict to spread to syria caused the refugees to flee to europe and ISIS to develop in syria/iraq (a richard perle/neo-con dream).

that is the problem; not some crazy muslims in europe, just showing up and wanting to blow up the place.

^^ Read the article.

Perhaps the government should spend less money... by not bombing their countries in the first place...