Thread: British MP Jo Cox in critical condition after attack in Birstall, police say

The man is a nutter end of story.
All speculation does is damage brexit.
Maybe that was the plan....

My guess he was put up to it to create a similar situation to the murder of the Swedish politician who got offed just before their Euro vote in 2003

Quite simple - identify weak willed, mentally unstable targets with a propensity to violence. Set up circumstance to give access to weapon. Use hypnosis or suggestion techniques to see it to its fruition

With half a dozen patsys on the go one was bound to come through. I'd be interested to see if any other semi nut jobs of his ilk have "committed suicide" or go awol in the days since the killing

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Lindh

They EU apparachniks have previous on this

Lindh died in the early morning of 11 September 2003 after a knife attack in Stockholm on the afternoon of 10 September. Just after 4 pm, she was attacked while shopping in the ladies' section of the Nordiska Kompaniet department store in central Stockholm. Lindh was shopping for new clothes for a televised debate later that night on the referendum about Sweden's adoption of the euro (which she supported).

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The man is a nutter end of story.
All speculation does is damage brexit.
Maybe that was the plan....

Maybe.

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The man is a nutter end of story.
All speculation does is damage brexit.
Maybe that was the plan....

Maybe.

It worked in Sweden.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

No, you don't get away with that. He is a murderer, He's been judged sane enough to stand trial,

No he hasn't, he been deemed fit for interview and detention in police custody.

Originally Posted by StevenR

^ It takes a long term illness to make a gun that you intend to use in this way. Very sad.

According to the police report in the BBC article the weapon used was NOT home made but a shot gun with a sawn off shortened barrel .

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Britain First really do have to answer this.

They have Already .

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The man is a nutter end of story.
All speculation does is damage brexit.
Maybe that was the plan....

Maybe.

It worked in Sweden.

In what way did it work in Sweden?

Being mentally ill does not automatically qualify you to be deemed not responsible for your actions.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Being mentally ill does not automatically qualify you to be deemed not responsible for your actions.

True , Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper was certified insane by 4 eminent shrinks ,he's still under lock and key in Broad Moor AFAIK .

Originally Posted by JayZee

Rather than pandering to the media's hysterical speculation, this seems far more circumspect:

The murderer DID NOT shout 'Britain First', a number of eyewitnesses quoted by the media have said on twitter that the media have made this up. The murderer was on psychotropic drugs, was mentally ill, and according to witnesses was in an altercation with somebody else when Jo Cox tried to intervene and got killed. According to his neighbours, the murderer had NO political affiliation, he belonged to NO political group, he was not the slightest bit interested in politics.

If this is true then he never purposely intended to target Cox. If she hadn't intervened she would have avoided her fate and all this talk of terrorism and Britain first is pointless nonsense.

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by StevenR

^ It takes a long term illness to make a gun that you intend to use in this way. Very sad.

According to the police report in the BBC article the weapon used was NOT home made but a shot gun with a sawn off shortened barrel .

What? The man obtained a firearm to commit a chrime in a gun-controlled country!

Popycock!

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Being mentally ill does not automatically qualify you to be deemed not responsible for your actions.

True , Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper was certified insane by 4 eminent shrinks ,he's still under lock and key in Broad Moor AFAIK .

I'm guessing this arsehole will probably try the "Diminished responsibility" plea as well.

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by StevenR

^ It takes a long term illness to make a gun that you intend to use in this way. Very sad.

According to the police report in the BBC article the weapon used was NOT home made but a shot gun with a sawn off shortened barrel .

What? The man obtained a firearm to commit a chrime in a gun-controlled country!

Popycock!

Having had firearms in the UK since 1957 and surrendered my Shot gun permit and Fire arms certificate in 2003 when I came to live here in Thailand the laws have tightened up so much since then that its far far easier to buy an illegal weapon than it is to buy a legal one .

From the BBC article , Needless to say the UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the World , and needless to say its babys work to buy an illegal one Gun control and ownership laws in the UK - BBC News

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Being mentally ill does not automatically qualify you to be deemed not responsible for your actions.

True , Peter Sutcliffe the Yorkshire Ripper was certified insane by 4 eminent shrinks ,he's still under lock and key in Broad Moor AFAIK .

I'm guessing this arsehole will probably try the "Diminished responsibility" plea as well.

That probably wont work in this case, because to run a Defence of that type in UK law, you have to demonstrate that the delusion/insanity/voices (call it what you will), impelling you to do the criminal act, were non-stop.

If there are moments of clarity where you recognise that the intended act will be criminal, then that defence won't work . Hence the fact he went to counselling the preceding day and expressed his mental fragility, (but still killed her) may invalidate that plea.

This explanation given to me by a criminal barrister on a hike we went on a few weeks ago.

English Law, its practitioners and judges are not necessarily congruent with either reality or what the medical profession consider to be a deviation therefrom.

A case in point is the trial of the Yorkshire Ripper whom the jury found to be not suffering from mental illness. After a short period of incarceration in HMP Parkhurst he was subsequently transferred to the secure mental hospital, Broadmoor, where he belonged for the next 30 years as a paranoid schizophrenic.

Originally Posted by lom

Originally Posted by Lostandfound

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

The man is a nutter end of story.
All speculation does is damage brexit.
Maybe that was the plan....

Maybe.

It worked in Sweden.

In what way did it work in Sweden?

It's a conspiracy by the dark EU forces to create bad feelings about leaving.

Could be.

Even the MSM has made the connction

Swedish politician?s death 13 years ago mirrors murder of UK lawmaker


While this is the first time in nearly a quarter of a century that a U.K. politician has been murdered, the case bears startling similarities to the assassination 13 years ago in Sweden of pro-EU Anna Lindh.
Flowers surround a picture of Jo Cox during a vigil in Parliament Square on June 16, 2016 in London, United Kingdom.
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Flowers surround a picture of Jo Cox during a vigil in Parliament Square on June 16, 2016 in London, United Kingdom.
Days before Sweden would vote on whether to join the euro in 2003, a 46-year-old lead campaigner for Sweden's to adopt the euro was stabbed while shopping in a Stockholm department store. She had been shopping for clothes for a euro zone debate scheduled that evening. The next day, on September 11, Social Democratic foreign minister Lindh died from her injuries.
Both sides of the Swedish political campaign suspended their activities following the news, with TV ads campaigns cancelled and billboard and print media ads withdrawn.
On the following Sunday, Swedes rejected proposals to adopt the common currency.
Solemn tone

Back in Britain, the death of Labour member of parliament (MP) Jo Cox has set a similarly solemn tone around the otherwise raucous Brexit debate.
The 41-year-old was shot in the small town of Birstall in the north of England while on her way to meet with constituents in a nearby library Thursday afternoon.
According to reports of unconfirmed eyewitness accounts, the attacker shouted 'Britain first,' potentially referencing a right-wing, anti-immigration and eurosceptic group in the U.K.. It has led to speculation that the politician's murder may be linked to the upcoming June 23rd referendum.

Media reports have identified the suspect as a 52-year-old local man Tommy Mair, who is said to have lived alone in a nearby estate.
A full investigation is underway by authorities to determine the motives of the suspect, who is believed to have acted alone.
Though it's unclear whether there was any political intent behind Cox's murder, both sides of the EU referendum have since suspended campaign activities.
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Cameron, Corbyn on killing of Jo Cox
The political pull-back is in stark contrast to a debate that was otherwise reaching fever pitch less than a week before Brits headed to the polls.
Just on Wednesday, Cox's husband and children were on a boat on the River Thames in support of the 'Remain' camp, as Brexit supporters took to their own flotilla. Both sides trading insults over loud speakers and in one of the stranger moments, protesting fishermen deployed water hoses.
Since news of the attack, the tone has darkened.
On Thursday night, Bank of England Governor Mark Carney, who has been criticized for making comments on the economic risks of the upcoming referendum, changed direction in a speech to London City bankers, taking the opportunity to pay tribute to the slain politician.
Meanwhile, the International Monetary Fund, which has warned about the consequences of leaving the EU, delayed the release of a report on the impacts of a Brexit.

Political impact

In the wake of the suspended campaigns, markets rebounded, sending sterling and the U.K.'s FTSE 100 higher. There are suspicions that the attack on the pro-EU politician may temper the momentum of the pro-Brexit camp and reduce the prospects that voters will want to leave the European Union.
However, while the attack on Sweden's minister in 2003 didn't beckon voters towards closer ties to the EU, voters notably opted for the status quo.
"It is difficult to know whether or not a specific incident such as this will have a decisive impact on the overall result of the referendum," Matthew Goodwin, a politics professor at the University of Kent and senior visiting fellow at Chatham House told CNBC via email.
"We currently know little about the event, individual and his potentially political motivations," Goodwin stressed.
A woman adjusts the candle next to red roses and a portrait of late Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh who was attacked with a knife and later died of her injuries.
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A woman adjusts the candle next to red roses and a portrait of late Swedish Foreign Minister Anna Lindh who was attacked with a knife and later died of her injuries.
In Sweden, it took nearly a decade for the motivations of the attack to reach the public.
Mijailo Mijailovic would break his silence eight years later, telling Swedish tabloid Expressen that he hadn't planned to target Lindh in particular, but took his hatred of politicians out on the minister after spotting her in the store while high on the hypnotic drug Flunitrazepam.
The 32-year-old Serbian-Swede also admitted that he made up claims that he'd heard voices in an effort to escape a normal prison sentence.
Mijailovic was sentenced to life in prison.

Someone else who heard the Muslim cry for world dominance.