China denies US aircraft carrier’s request to visit Hong Kong

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2016, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Dapper

Originally Posted by bsnub

I served in the US military

What, fries?

his arse up on a platter in exchange for the dregs of rum bottles.

**Storekeeper** · 03-05-2016, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You seem to be misunderstanding me- All I said was that they are not hitting town with thousands of bucks and the Big White Hope like they used to in the 60s.

A carrier hitting just about any foreign port is a major money maker for that city. The article, nor anybody in this thread, don't even talk about the money from port services for the ship ranging from garbage disposal to ferry services to logistics support.

And by the way the Sailors of today are by far better paid than they were in the 60s and spend a lot more money. The difference is in 2016 far fewer are getting drunk and staggering upstairs for a romp with Suzie Wong and more likely to take tours or just chill in their room. Not to mention all of events set up by the ship MWR these days like sporting events such as softball tournaments. No, Sailors these days can't afford to stagger back to the ship snot slobbering drunk or they'll end up in sickbay on a drunk watch and lose their liberty for the rest of the port or possibly the next port.

**bsnub** · 03-05-2016, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You seem to be misunderstanding me- All I said was that they are not hitting town with thousands of bucks and the Big White Hope like they used to in the 60s.

A carrier hitting just about any foreign port is a major money maker for that city. The article, nor anybody in this thread, don't even talk about the money from port services for the ship ranging from garbage disposal to ferry services to logistics support.

And by the way the Sailors of today are by far better paid than they were in the 60s and spend a lot more money. The difference is in 2016 far fewer are getting drunk and staggering upstairs for a romp with Suzie Wong and more likely to take tours or just chill in their room. Not to mention all of events set up by the ship MWR these days like sporting events such as softball tournaments. No, Sailors these days can't afford to stagger back to the ship snot slobbering drunk or they'll end up in sickbay on a drunk watch and lose their liberty for the rest of the port or possibly the next port.

I pointed this out but you did a far better job of ramming the point home. Greened you salty old Sailor.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

fuck off harry - i didn't change shit.

Yes. Yes you did. Pwnd.

**chassamui** · 03-05-2016, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

fuck off harry - i didn't change shit. Either your eyes are painted on, you can not read, are are a dumb fucker.

That's twice now that you have attributed your own version of events to me.
For the second time, at no point have I described

Your idea that the sailors hit town, waiving their dollars and the HK piss poor come running out got candy and nylons belong to an era 50 years ago

the situation like this.

My quote was that the sailors would have sufficient funds to spend while on shore leave. I based the value of the sailors spending on the salary of the lowest grade and least experienced sailor. For you to exaggerate my statement out of all proportion and then add your own twist to the comments, is just plain dishonesty.

My interpretation of events was an honest and conservative one. Yours is wild exaggeration driven by a vivid imagination.

**Storekeeper** · 03-05-2016, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

I pointed this out but you did a far better job of ramming the point home. Greened you salty old Sailor.

Japan, Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, Australia, Thailand, Guam, Hawaii and Bahrain ... those are basically the possible port visits for a deployed West Coast carrier these days ... maybe hit 4-5 if they're lucky. So roughly 16-20 days in a port out of a 6 month deployment.

**Davis Knowlton** · 03-05-2016, 09:26 AM

^Philippines?

**sabang** · 03-05-2016, 09:48 AM

I'm afraid that such modest incremental benefit a Carrier visit might provide to the Wanchai & Lan Kwai Fong economies in a place like HK, is as nothing compared to the incumbent politics of the situation. So it's No.

Again, what if a Chinese Carrier flotilla wanted to dock in Pearl Harbour for some RnR?

**Storekeeper** · 03-05-2016, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Philippines?

I can't remember the last time a carrier went to the PI.

**Storekeeper** · 03-05-2016, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Again, what if a Chinese Carrier flotilla wanted to dock in Pearl Harbour for some RnR?

I haven't kept up with it for years but last I remember the Chinese participate in the exercise called 'RIMPAC' and their ships visit Pearl Harbor.

**Davis Knowlton** · 03-05-2016, 10:23 AM

^Sorry. Didn't realize you were speaking only of carriers.

**chassamui** · 03-05-2016, 10:53 AM

Moving the visit to Subic would be even more provocative to the Chinese. That'll learn 'em.
Just have to add the cost of stamping all the ladyboys with a government health warning.

**Humbert** · 03-05-2016, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Again, what if a Chinese Carrier flotilla wanted to dock in Pearl Harbour for some RnR?

PLA Navy fleet on global port calls arrives in Hawaii
PLA Navy fleet on global port calls arrives in Hawaii - China Military Online

Maybe not a 'carrier flotilla' but it does happen.

**HermantheGerman** · 03-05-2016, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by sabang

Again, what if a Chinese Carrier flotilla wanted to dock in Pearl Harbour for some RnR?

PLA Navy fleet on global port calls arrives in Hawaii
PLA Navy fleet on global port calls arrives in Hawaii - China Military Online

Maybe not a 'carrier flotilla' but it does happen.

Maybe the Chines believe it also belongs to them (Hawaii) and came to stick a Chinese flag up Sun Yat-Sen ass.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-05-2016, 12:01 PM

I remember being in a pub up in Bahrain when the Bonhomme Richard was in town.

One feller bought a round of 70+ B52's, and it's not cheap there.

The pub had to send out for more shot glasses, such was their zeal.

They go mental when they hit the shore because, unlike the Brits, they are not allowed to drink at sea.

Pseudopuss is talking out of his arse.

He's an idiot.

**OhOh** · 03-05-2016, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Nothing much being said. No bases have been reopened. No new bases have been built.

Possibly no new "bases" being "built", but certainly a military force will be "stationed" somewhere, along with all necessary military hardware etc. If only as part of the merry go round system of not becoming "permanent" and thus not needing to bother the sheeple with a signed treaty or break existing international sovereign laws. Similar to Eastern Europe.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/m...ines/82072138/

"This story was originally published March 21, 2016, at 3:02 p.m. EST.
A new agreement between the United States and the Philippines clears the way for a new permanent American military presence across five bases that will support rotational deployments near the contested South China Sea.

The bases include:

Antonio Bautista Air Base. Located near the capital of the island province of Palawan, which is strategically located near the contested Spratly Islands in the South China Sea.

Basa Air Base. Located about 40 miles northwest of the Philippines' capital, Manila, the air base was originally constructed by the U.S. Army Air Corps before the Second World War.

Fort Magsaysay. Located on the northern Island of Luzon, Fort Magsaysay is the largest military installation in the Philippines, and is one of the primary training areas of the Philippine Army.

DEFENSE NEWS
Philippines Order British Helos for Anti-Sub Capabilities

Lumbia Air Base. Located on the southern island of Mindanao, the air base is connected to a civilian airport. Local media reports say construction of a new U.S. facility will begin soon.

Mactan-Benito Ebuen Air Base. Located on Mactan Island of the coast of Cebu in the central Philippines. It was originally built by the U.S. Air Force before the American pullout in the early 1990s."

"The U.S. military presence in the Philippines, a former American colony, was once fiercely opposed by many Filipinos, partly because of notorious rowdy behavior and misconduct that was common among troops during the Vietnam era when the Philippines offered war fighters a respite from the combat zone. That led to the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces in the early 1990s.

But the Filipino government has recently sought new support from the United States as China has grown more aggressive in asserting territorial claims and conducting military-style operations near Filipino shores."

Originally Posted by thaimeme

...and there's nothing like a drunken sailor.

Ask the Filipinos or Japanese, they have some knowledge of "hosting" military bases

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Not the good decent people of the USA, but the government for what ever reason.

The "good decent people" have wallowed in the "exceptional" sty for decades. They, the unexceptional sheeple, are the root cause of the worlds problems and have been for decades. Or shall we blame Lizze/Rothchilds or some gut with a tight cap on his head? It's always somebody else, it's not me guv, it was him/her/them/the ........... (insert any minority/strange looking group currently in MSM fashion). I was just following orders!!!

**Humbert** · 03-05-2016, 12:36 PM

^Sounds like a good strategy for the RP with the Chinese claiming the entire South China Sea as their territory.

**OhOh** · 03-05-2016, 12:50 PM

Are we to believe wiki that a British sailor, Captain Spratly, "found" the islands in 1840's? I wonder if he planted a Union jack flag on them and claimed them for England. Did he search for any Chinese inscribed stones marking them as Chinese territory?

Should we;
1. Suggest other histories/agreements/treaties be examined and judged upon, prior to making a calm decision?
or
2. Introduce some unexceptional military force from a country, far, far away, into the area and let them decide for us?

2The Spratly Islands Tagalog: Kapuluan ng Kalayaan, Malay: Kepulauan Spratly, (Chinese: 南沙群岛; pinyin: Nánshā Qúndǎo,[10] Vietnamese: Quần đảo Trường Sa) are a disputed group of more than 750 reefs, islets, atolls, cays and islands in the South China Sea.[11] The archipelago lies off the coasts of the Philippines, Malaysia, and southern Vietnam. Named after the 19th-century British whaling captain Richard Spratly who sighted Spratly Island in 1843, the islands contain approximately 4 km2 (1.5 sq mi) of land area spread over a vast area of more than 425,000 km2 (164,000 sq mi)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands

**Humbert** · 03-05-2016, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Failing that lets introduce some military forces from a country, far far away, into the area and let them decide for us?

Please stop the hysterics. It's being decided by international court not the US Navy.

**OhOh** · 03-05-2016, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

It's being decided by international court not the US Navy.

Whose court, whose judges, whose witnesses, whose legal prep team, whose history .........? Come on look a little deeper than the headline.

Or Wiki, that organisation seems to have it's finger on the pulse of the unexceptional truth.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-05-2016, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by OhOh

Failing that lets introduce some military forces from a country, far far away, into the area and let them decide for us?

Please stop the hysterics. It's being decided by international court not the US Navy.

The ICJ can decide what they like, but it doesn't mean anything unless all parties accept beforehand that the results are binding.

**Humbert** · 03-05-2016, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

unexceptional truth.

Whatever the fcuk that is.

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2016, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

My quote was that the sailors would have sufficient funds to spend while on shore leave. I based the value of the sailors spending on the salary of the lowest grade and least experienced sailor. For you to exaggerate my statement out of all proportion and then add your own twist to the comments, is just plain dishonesty.

OK I think we need to turn to the Teakdoor resident genius for clarification on this matter. That, according to you, is you, Shaz.

Originally Posted by chassamui

especially when they have dollar rich sailors on shore leave.

This is a direct quote is it not? Dollar Rich Sailors on shore leave.

My whole response to that, which you are lying about, manipulating to your own ends, altering changing, twisting the meaning of like a US state department spokes person, was very simple. Compared to the average person in Hong Kong, US sailors are NOT rich, and their dollars are not that abundant considering they are paid the same as a HK KFC worker.

So feel free to debate the point with yourself, Shaz, as there seems to be quite the difference of opinion inside your peabrain as to what you said and what you meant For everyone else, it should be clear that you are a bit of pillock

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2016, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by chassamui

Moving the visit to Subic would be even more provocative to the Chinese. That'll learn 'em.

Didn't realise that the Philippines is a semi autonomous region of China. Learn a new thing every day.

**pseudolus** · 03-05-2016, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by sabang

Again, what if a Chinese Carrier flotilla wanted to dock in Pearl Harbour for some RnR?

PLA Navy fleet on global port calls arrives in Hawaii
PLA Navy fleet on global port calls arrives in Hawaii - China Military Online

Maybe not a 'carrier flotilla' but it does happen.

Maybe the Chines believe it also belongs to them (Hawaii) and came to stick a Chinese flag up Sun Yat-Sen ass.

Well it sure as hell does not "belong" to the USA. In 1893 the last monarch of Hawaii, Queen Lili'uokalani, was overthrown by party of US backed businessmen, who then imposed a provisional government. Soon after, President Benjamin Harrison submitted a treaty to annex the Hawaiian islands to the U.S. Senate for ratification. the island was stolen from its inhabitants in typical merkin regime change. Oust the leader, steal the country.

Shame you decided to use Hawaii as your example.

**Humbert** · 03-05-2016, 06:22 PM

^Geez, that's almost as bad as the brits stealing Hong Kong from the Chinese after addicting the population to opium.

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