Thread: China denies US aircraft carrier’s request to visit Hong Kong

That's a little different snubbings - a good will visit is not quite the same as a ship on active duty patrolling US waters trying to find any reason to blow US ships out of the water.

However, point conceded. Three chinese navy ships have indeed visited the US once on a good will mission as part of a world tour. Wonder if it was a sales pitch? Probably the MErkins wanting to have a closer look at them to see if they should be worried about them; which they wouldn't be.

Now show me the russian ones on active duty being allowed shore leave and I will concede that point as well.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Of course it is. China, of which HK is a part (for snubbs benefit), is being surrounded and harassed by the USA

The US has had understandable concerns about Chinese military growth and domineering behaviour in the Pacific region for several years now.
The US has many allies in the region and has moved the military emphasis on operations from the Atlantic (Post cold war) and to a lesser extent the ME, to the Pacific for strategic reasons.
The US enjoys both deep sea and air superiority over China for the time being. With increased Chinese spending on military hardware, and provocative behaviour in the disputed South China Sea, the US strategic response is a cautious but necessary one. The Chinese refusal to allow a carrier group into Hong Kong is just fanning the flames of a growing dispute. Then again, the Americans asking for permission for such a visit could easily be viewed the same way.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Of course it is. China, of which HK is a part (for snubbs benefit), is being surrounded and harassed by the USA

The US has had understandable concerns about Chinese military growth and domineering behaviour in the Pacific region for several years now.
The US has many allies in the region and has moved the military emphasis on operations from the Atlantic (Post cold war) and to a lesser extent the ME, to the Pacific for strategic reasons.
The US enjoys both deep sea and air superiority over China for the time being. With increased Chinese spending on military hardware, and provocative behaviour in the disputed South China Sea, the US strategic response is a cautious but necessary one. The Chinese refusal to allow a carrier group into Hong Kong is just fanning the flames of a growing dispute. Then again, the Americans asking for permission for such a visit could easily be viewed the same way.

The funny thing is that I think you actually believe all of this state department rhetoric.

Surprised you have not found a way to blame Russia for this as well as the Chinese.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The funny thing is that I think you actually believe all of this state department rhetoric. Surprised you have not found a way to blame Russia for this as well as the Chinese.

You probably think Obamas state visit was all about shoring up support for Cameron's In campaign. He was actually kicking Cameron's ass over the UKs failure to pick up the slack in the Atlantic, since the USN is 'a bit busy' elsewhere.
Try some new lenses so you can see the bigger picture. Or is your vision obscured by the tin foil hat?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Chasses idea that the US Navy coming to town with pockets full of cash, being richer than the locals, is absurd.

In addition to a Navy salary, there is Sea Pay. Also provided are free digs, no bills, and you can't spend any money on the piss because you can't drink at sea on US ships.

You don't have to deduct any money for health insurance (or life insurance), or a pension (unless you choose to enhance your Navy pension with the thrift saving scheme).

So yes, they come ashore with money burning holes in their pockets.

Anyone would know this if they'd seen US sailors on shore leave after a long stint at sea.

But you haven't seen anything of the kind, and as usual you are talking out of your arse about something about which you have no fucking clue.

You're an idiot.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Of course it is. China, of which HK is a part (for snubbs benefit), is being surrounded and harassed by the USA

The US has had understandable concerns about Chinese military growth and domineering behaviour in the Pacific region for several years now.
The US has many allies in the region and has moved the military emphasis on operations from the Atlantic (Post cold war) and to a lesser extent the ME, to the Pacific for strategic reasons.
The US enjoys both deep sea and air superiority over China for the time being. With increased Chinese spending on military hardware, and provocative behaviour in the disputed South China Sea, the US strategic response is a cautious but necessary one. The Chinese refusal to allow a carrier group into Hong Kong is just fanning the flames of a growing dispute. Then again, the Americans asking for permission for such a visit could easily be viewed the same way.

Like I said, just announce that in the absence of any Hong Kong moorings, they are going to go to friendly Taiwan instead. That will get those chinky tits in a wringer.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Navy shore-leave to inject 1 million dollars into economy

Some 5000 sailors will inject their hard **** into **** Phuket over the next 4 days.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The funny thing is that I think you actually believe all of this state department rhetoric. Surprised you have not found a way to blame Russia for this as well as the Chinese.

You probably think Obamas state visit was all about shoring up support for Cameron's In campaign. He was actually kicking Cameron's ass over the UKs failure to pick up the slack in the Atlantic, since the USN is 'a bit busy' elsewhere.
Try some new lenses so you can see the bigger picture. Or is your vision obscured by the tin foil hat?

Ho HO ho so funny. You know, if you use the phrase tinfoil hat in each of your posts, it means you are what, right? Superior? Or retarded. Yes - retarded.

obombas visit was about shoving TTIP onto the UK. It was about ensuring that no matter which side one in the referendum, the brexit politicians will keep their promise to force TTIP on the UK, and cameron will anyway, but had to stay in his job until after that has been forced on us.

The atlantic? Cameron has singlehandedly destroyed the Royal Navy. We hardly have anything left. An aircraft carrier with no aircraft on it. All the plan to combine the UK and French military, under French, thus EU control of course, in the USEurope.

Rule Britiania - what a joke. We couldn't rule a duck pond after the savage cuts made by criminal cameron.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The funny thing is that I think you actually believe all of this state department rhetoric. Surprised you have not found a way to blame Russia for this as well as the Chinese.

You probably think Obamas state visit was all about shoring up support for Cameron's In campaign. He was actually kicking Cameron's ass over the UKs failure to pick up the slack in the Atlantic, since the USN is 'a bit busy' elsewhere.
Try some new lenses so you can see the bigger picture. Or is your vision obscured by the tin foil hat?

Ho HO ho so funny. You know, if you use the phrase tinfoil hat in each of your posts, it means you are what, right? Superior? Or retarded. Yes - retarded.

obombas visit was about shoving TTIP onto the UK. It was about ensuring that no matter which side one in the referendum, the brexit politicians will keep their promise to force TTIP on the UK, and cameron will anyway, but had to stay in his job until after that has been forced on us.

The atlantic? Cameron has singlehandedly destroyed the Royal Navy. We hardly have anything left. An aircraft carrier with no aircraft on it. All the plan to combine the UK and French military, under French, thus EU control of course, in the USEurope.

Rule Britiania - what a joke. We couldn't rule a duck pond after the savage cuts made by criminal cameron.

Many of your compatriots insist on a continued dreamy world......

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The atlantic? Cameron has singlehandedly destroyed the Royal Navy. We hardly have anything left. An aircraft carrier with no aircraft on it. All the plan to combine the UK and French military, under French, thus EU control of course, in the USEurope.

Rule Britiania - what a joke. We couldn't rule a duck pond after the savage cuts made by criminal cameron.

You are an idiot.

There are currently nine ships and submarines under construction: four Astute-class submarines (boats 3-6), the two Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers, which began construction in July 2009 and May 2011, and the three ocean-going patrol vessels to be delivered from 2017. Preparatory and design work has begun on the Global Combat Ship programme, which will replace the existing frigate fleet from 2021. In addition, the Navy's strategic nuclear role is being extended through the Successor-class submarine programme, and the Royal Fleet Auxiliary will receive four Tide-class tankers by the end of the decade.

you are an idiot

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The UK have a deal with the US to buy the F35B (STOVL) for the RAF and RN. Despite problems over the aircrafts complexity, it is on schedule for delivery at the same time as the first of 2 new carriers goes into service, That includes pilots who are already doing work up training in the US.

The carriers and aircraft are not the big problem The Type 45 Destroyers will probably have to have engine and propulsion refits despite only entering service in 2009. The other issue is manning. As the crew for the QE carrier start training and trials it leaves manpower shortages elsewhere.
Past decisions on manning and vessel numbers may come back to haunt MOD procurement and heads of the RN. Bottom line is a carrier cannot operate without intrinsic fleet protection.

Originally Posted by chassamui

The UK have a deal with the US to buy the F35B (STOVL) for the RAF and RN. Despite problems over the aircrafts complexity, it is on schedule for delivery at the same time as the first of 2 new carriers goes into service, That includes pilots who are already doing work up training in the US.

I told you he's an idiot.

He can't even use fucking google properly.

You really have no clue, do you Shaz

Bet you have never even heard of the British French Defence Initiative of October 2009. the UK defence capability is really 2nd rate now, far behind other NATO countries, and completely unable to actually defend the UK should some European nutcase go on the rampage again.

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Catch up on what the tories are really doing.

Originally Posted by chassamui

The UK have a deal with the US to buy the F35B (STOVL) for the RAF and RN. Despite problems over the aircrafts complexity, it is on schedule for delivery at the same time as the first of 2 new carriers goes into service, That includes pilots who are already doing work up training in the US.

Well you better tell the RAF that

The Lightning II will provide UK Defence with a 5th Generation (low observable, supersonic, enhanced data fusion), multi-role, all weather, day and night aircraft that will have the ability to operate from land bases as well as the Queen Elizabeth Class carriers, the first of which is due to accept Lightning II onto her deck in 2018

They are not exppecting them to be delivered until 2018 meaning that... as I said.. aircraft carriers with no aircraft.

Also, these F35b's, dubbed the worlds worst new aircraft, are junk. It was good in 2001 when they started having a look at them... but now. Not so hot.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

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Breitbart!?

Pseudopuss: taking idiocy to new lows.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Also, these F35b's, dubbed the worlds worst new aircraft, are junk. It was good in 2001 when they started having a look at them... but now. Not so hot.

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Three short vids explaining the reality of the F35. You might learn something

Originally Posted by pseudolus

They are not exppecting them to be delivered until 2018 meaning that... as I said.. aircraft carriers with no aircraft.

The carrier and aircraft programmes are designed to introduce both systems simultaneously.
Right now, we have no aircraft for carrier ops because we have no carriers. When the carriers are launched, the aircraft will enter service concurrently. The RN and the RAF have pilots training in the US on F35 already.

Other than the duty section ... the ship would be like a ghost town every single day while inport. The week before the ship pulls into port the lines are forever with Sailors signing up for tours and hotels rooms.

Pseudo ...

PS ... Could educate you on several other aspects of a port visit but I can't be arsed.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Other than the duty section ... the ship would be like a ghost town every single day while inport. The week before the ship pulls into port the lines are forever with Sailors signing up for tours and hotels rooms.

Pseudo ...

I never doubted that. As you will know, in HK, when you are onshore, you are onshore. No going back until time to go... they don't exactly moor up in Wanchai.

You seem to be misunderstanding me- All I said was that they are not hitting town with thousands of bucks and the Big White Hope like they used to in the 60s.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You seem to be misunderstanding me- All I said was that they are not hitting town with thousands of bucks and the Big White Hope like they used to in the 60s.

Nice attempt at a half back pedal.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You seem to be misunderstanding me- All I said was that they are not hitting town with thousands of bucks and the Big White Hope like they used to in the 60s.

Nice attempt at a half back pedal.

Not at all. Your idea that the sailors hit town, waiving their dollars and the HK piss poor come running out got candy and nylons belong to an era 50 years ago .

Most HKers couldn't give a fuck. HK would not miss 1m USD a day. It's peanuts. I'm not back stepping at all but if you want to think so so you can run down the street pretending you had some sort of victory on a web forum, then carry on Shaz.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You seem to be misunderstanding me- All I said was that they are not hitting town with thousands of bucks and the Big White Hope like they used to in the 60s.

Nice attempt at a half back pedal.

Love the way he tries to change the context of his earlier witless comments.

Maybe he really has been taking lessons from Booners!

fuck off harry - i didn't change shit. Either your eyes are painted on, you can not read, are are a dumb fucker.

Originally Posted by bsnub

I served in the US military

What, fries?