Thread: China denies US aircraft carrier’s request to visit Hong Kong

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ Pseudo has no concept of economics and he has proven it in countless threads. These port visits bring in countless millions into the local economy.

He's not very bright you know.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

I'm sure the folks in Olongapo will take their money.

Take their money, of course, there are many hungry mouths to feed.

As as resident how is the reopening of Ameristani military bases going down with the locals or the Muslims?

Originally Posted by OhOh

As as resident how is the reopening of Ameristani military bases going down with the locals or the Muslims?

Nothing much being said. No bases have been reopened. No new bases have been built.

The current focus is on the upcoming 9 May presidential election. If Binay/Roxas/Poe win, things will probably go forward at a modest rate. If Duterte wins, who knows? He is a total unknown - is it bluster? or real? Only time will tell.

what is hong kongs purpose other than to launder money ?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

US navy bod under 2yr service, 1,500 USD per month. Do they pay taxes? Probably.

Once again your analysis is flawed. You assume that all of these sailors are the lowest pay grade. Almost no service person will be an E-1 after two years of service. More likely an E-3 making close to $2k US. You fail to account for all the NCO's and officers who make far more. They are at sea for months at a time and are constantly saving money. When not at sea they still rarely have to pay rent unless they choose to.

The reality of it is that these people are sitting on mountains of cash that they are happy to burn generously when in port.

Also this does not even begin to account for the other logistical spending that the ships spend when in port. Fuel, food, and other commodities add up very fast. Any port that turns away an American aircraft carrier just pissed away millions upon millions of dollars.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

They arrive, see the price of a mars bar in 7/11, shit themselves, and decide it is better to slink back to the ship and hide.

Another clueless post showing you have not a clue. Most of the sailors on board those ships have been to HK many times before. They already know what to expect and the new recruits will be quickly brought up to speed about what to expect.

Snubb you have never been to Hong Kong in your life. .Don't make out that you have a clue about the place. Fuck, you still have that image of "South Pacific" some enchanted evening, or navy boys in white suits handing out candy bars to little urchins, and buying the whole bar a round of drinks with a dollar bill.

As humbert likes to think he knows (yes.. it was a wind up you daft old fool) I have met these guys in bars around Hong Kong many times, and they strictly budget themselves, and their most frequent comment is "Hell man, everything is so damn expensive here". Of their shore leave, they might have one moderate night out on the piss, and the rest if finding free activities to do, sight seeing and the like. The married ones, and those with kids to support don't even do that. Not going to Hong Kong actually does a lot of these chaps and chapesses a huge favour as they will have more money for their family which is a good thing.

Also, the retention levels within the US navy, not least because the exceptionally long deployments they have to go on now, means that very rarely do the majority of these guys go to a place more than once.


You know nothing - you should be used to it by now, but for some reason you still persist.



Snubbs vivid imagine of US Shore leave in the 2010's.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Chasses idea that the US Navy coming to town with pockets full of cash, being richer than the locals, is absurd

Never said or implied they were richer than locals, just that they had ample spending money.

If as you suggest, it is a once in a lifetime experience for most of them, why would they baulk at spending cash? The truth is many of the crew will be highly specialised staff. Pilots and air crew, plus engineers for maintaining nuclear reactors. Pretty sure they will find decent bars and restaurants to spend their dollars in.
I was last in HK in 1990 and although things have changed, I have several friends who still live there.

Originally Posted by baldrick

what is hong kongs purpose other than to launder money ?

Perhaps. In a round about way.
Similar to Singapore's working existence.

The only real difference is that HK has much closer ties to big brother, therefore has attached a greater liability.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Snubb you have never been to Hong Kong in your life. .Don't make out that you have a clue about the place. Fuck, you still have that image of "South Pacific" some enchanted evening, or navy boys in white suits handing out candy bars to little urchins, and buying the whole bar a round of drinks with a dollar bill.

You are a clueless moron and I have been to HK more than once. You are just putting your foot in your mouth. I served in the US military and I know exactly the way that American servicemen act when abroad I should know I was one. Stop speaking about things that you know nothing about it only makes you look like an idiot.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Also, the retention levels within the US navy, not least because the exceptionally long deployments they have to go on now, means that very rarely do the majority of these guys go to a place more than once.

Once again you are completely clueless just pulling shit out of your ass. The deployments the Navy goes on are the same as they have ever been. That has not changed. Ships can only stay at sea for so long before they have to have maintenance at the home port.

With regards to retention numbers Sailors have the highest rates of of all the armed forces. You really should not post about what you have no clue about...Oh didnt I already point that out.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

You know nothing - you should be used to it by now, but for some reason you still persist.

The only one who is persistent around here is you with your overly simplistic tinfoil world view. Laughable and naive.

Originally Posted by bsnub

You are a clueless moron and I have been to HK more than once. You are just putting your foot in your mouth. I served in the US military

1960's? 70's?

Times change old man.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Once again you are completely clueless just pulling shit out of your ass. The deployments the Navy goes on are the same as they have ever been. That has not changed. Ships can only stay at sea for so long before they have to have maintenance at the home port.

Ahh once a again Facts disagree with snubb drunken ramblings

Carrier deployments will be less often but longer | Military | pilotonline.com

one of a gazillion articles talking about longer and longer deployments

Originally Posted by bsnub

o retention numbers Sailors

and again...

Unofficial survey: Long deployments, service culture push sailors to leave Navy - News - Stripes



Snubb thinks this is the US Navy life today..

It is estimated that the US George Washington aircraft carrier's spends 1 million dollars a day when in port. The economic impact of a seven day visit is nothing to sneeze at.

Originally Posted by Humbert

It is estimated that the US George Washington aircraft carrier's spends 1 million dollars a day when in port. The economic impact of a seven day visit is nothing to sneeze at.

Is that is? 1 million bucks?

Yes I can see what you are talking about now. They would sourly miss those 7 million bucks in Hong KOng. I see the stock market has taken a beating from the news. All of the bars on lochart road have shut up shop because they can not afford the rent.

Perspective for you - the HK 7's generate in 3 days $40 million USD + for HK. Everyone loves the 7's. Everyone is bored of US hegemony.

Peanuts for HK. $1m USD? They shit that.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Yes I can see what you are talking about now. They would sourly miss those 7 million bucks in Hong KOng. I see the stock market has taken a beating from the news. All of the bars on lochart road have shut up shop because they can not afford the rent.

Hong Kong certainly doesn't need the money. It's bars, restaurants, hotels and shops are far too successful already. It's a great attitude to have in business: 'We don't want your money because were too rich'. Better to send the ship to Phuket where the locals appreciate a boost.

Navy shore-leave to inject 1 million dollars into economy

If you owned a business and 20 sailors walked in and spent $50 to $100 each you'd be happy with trade.

It's a political decision rather than an economic one anyway. The equivalent of China giving the US the finger for interfering in the China Sea fiasco.

Originally Posted by Allotafargina

If you owned a business and 20 sailors walked in and spent $50 to $100 each you'd be happy with trade.

...and there's nothing like a drunken sailor.

$$$$$$$$$

Originally Posted by thaimeme

...and there's nothing like a drunken sailor.

A thirsty sailor is even better.

Originally Posted by chassamui

It's a political decision rather than an economic one anyway. The equivalent of China giving the US the finger for interfering in the China Sea fiasco.

Indeed. That's the point.

Originally Posted by Humbert

'We don't want your money because were too rich'. Better to send the ship to Phuket where the locals appreciate a boost.

It is better because Phuket does need the money, and the service men and women will likely have a better more affordable time as well.

As someone else mentioned, what would the US governments response be if a Russian or Chinese fleet to landed in the US? IN some place that actually desperately did need the cash input? Would they do it? No. Say Boston for example. They could do with a big injection of cash - flotillas of Russian and Chinese ships with all the boys and girls hitting the town to spend spend spend. The US would not allow it (correct me if I am wrong). So why should China?

Mind you, I assume you will read all sorts of wrong things into that statement as usual. Just like you did when your hatred of me started way back yonder due to this post....

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Another time we were actually really nice. We were having an afternoon pint outside a bar on lockhart road and a big black bloke bumped into me spilling my pint. No problem I said, and we started chatting, to be joined by some more of his friends, equally big and black. Great bunch of guys, but they were all graduates and actually had more than a braincell between them. They were after buying some suits and were about to be ripped off by one of the Indian shops, so we told them not to bother and we would sort them out. A couple of hours later a tailor from Shenzhen rocked up, and we went to their hotel, they were all measured up and selected their styles and materials, and the next day we met them again and they were all dressed in their finest clobber having saved over 1000 hkd each as well. Good bunch of guys - still connected to one on FB as it happens; left the navy though now - got bored being surrounded by a bunch of retarded rednecks.

Originally Posted by Humbert

You sound like a real low life Pseudo. Bad shit happens to bad people like you - sooner or later.

Your reply says more about you and your lack of comprehension than it does about me. Of course, in that I am a "useless brittle slime ball", I then made a few more gags to wind you up because you were being a ponce. Merkin's - no sense of humour and no ability to see a joke when it hits them between the eyes

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Times change old man.

I bet I am younger than you.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Ahh once a again Facts disagree with snubb drunken ramblings

Umm no. You have no facts most of the time. Just tin foil BS.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

one of a gazillion articles talking about longer and longer deployments

1-2 extra months WOW! That is really longer and longer... Clueless fuk.

Originally Posted by Davis Knowlton

Originally Posted by chassamui

It's a political decision rather than an economic one anyway. The equivalent of China giving the US the finger for interfering in the China Sea fiasco.

Indeed. That's the point.

Of course it is. China, of which HK is a part (for snubbs benefit), is being surrounded and harassed by the USA. Not the good decent people of the USA, but the government for what ever reason. Been like that for years, and there comes a point when eventually their legendary patience is stretched to breaking point and they say "no more - go somewhere else"

Originally Posted by bsnub

I bet I am younger than you.

I'm 39.

Something else you are wrong about? Sure you must be used to being wrong about everything by now.

Originally Posted by bsnub

1-2 extra months WOW! That is really longer and longer... Clueless fuk.

Drunk as a skunk.

If you are away for 8 months, and then 9 months, and then 10 months, that is, strictly speaking, and no tinfoil hat required for these sums..... longer and longer. I guess that when you are a drunk, time has no meaning, so whether you spend 8 months in a piss shit and vomit covered matress in your mothers basement, or 10 months, it makes no different. To good honest decent young folk away from their families, an extra day away is tough - an extra 2 months must be horrid, for their families as well. Problem with you drunk big government supporting anarchists... no empathy.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

what would the US governments response be if a Russian or Chinese fleet to landed in the US?

Clueless fuck...

A trio of Chinese warships in the middle of a world tour are in route to Naval Station Mayport, Fla. for a scheduled goodwill port visit next month, U.S. Navy officials told USNI News on Thursday.
The officials would not specify the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) combatants involved but USNI News understands the three ships are the Type 052C Luyang II-class guided-missile destroyer Jinan (152), the Type 054A Jiangkai II-class guided-missile frigate Yiyang (548) and the Type 903 Fuchi-class fleet oiler Qiandao Hu (886).

Jane’s reported the trio was in Stockholm late last month.


“Three vessels are on an around-the-world deployment and will conduct the goodwill visit after completing port calls in Europe,” read a statement from Navy Region Southeast.


“The amphibious assault ship USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) will serve as the host ship. In Mayport, sailors from both navies will participate in sporting events and interact during ship tours.”


U.S. officials would not elaborate if there would be an at-sea training component to the visit slated to run from Nov. 3rd to the 7th.
Navy officials stressed the visit was planned months in advance but comes as Washington and Beijing are still at loggerheads over territorial possessions in the South China Sea.


The Obama administration has been weighing for weeks whether or not it will send a freedom of navigation mission within 12 nautical miles — the internationally recognized maritime border — of features in the Spratly and Paracel China has reclaimed from the sea. The creation of the new islands, which the U.S. does not recognize as Chinese territory, has inflamed tension in the region.
One member of Congress expressed concern that increased cooperation from U.S. should come along with more Chinese transparency.


“While the U.S. has been fervently cultivating military-to-military exchanges, China’s behavior at sea has not tracked with its rhetoric of a ‘peaceful rise’,” read a Thursday statement from Rep. Randy Forbes, from the chair of the House Armed Services Subcommittee on Seapower and Projection Forces, to USNI News.
“Engagement like the upcoming Chinese visit to Mayport should not be done purely for engagement’s sake, and I hope that in addition to increased transparency, we start to see China moderate its other destabilizing activities.”


In addition to the Mayport visit, China has sent the flotilla to first ever PLAN port visits in the Baltic Sea in ports like Stolkholm, Sweden and Helsinki, Finland as part of the world tour


Earlier this month a PLAN training ship with Chinese midshipmen pulled into Joint Base Pearl Harbor-Hickam.


Yesterday, a collection of about two dozen U.S. naval officers paid a visit to the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning in China, according to Chinese state controlled press and confirmed by the Navy.


https://news.usni.org/2015/10/22/chi...na-sea-tension