Thread: Two men kept from boarding US plane after speaking Arabic

Originally Posted by Looper

The other similar idea, that they might have been speaking Arabic as a deliberate wind-up, occurred to me too

Are you intentionally posting dumb shit as a deliberate wind-up?

Originally Posted by pickel

What do you mean "too"?

Well I don't think we can really understand the situation without being there and seeing the context.

It could be that they were behaving perfectly reasonably and the woman who complained was out of order; or it could be that they were behaving suspiciously and deserved attention. In the latter case the behaviour may have been as a prank or as you suggested to engineer a situation which would allow them to take financial advantage of the airline/airport.

In any case I would be disappointed to see it turn into a litigation circus but if it was a prank or engineered then litigation is outrageous.

Originally Posted by Looper

or as you suggested to engineer a situation which would allow them to take financial advantage of the airline/airport.

I didn't suggest that at all, I was asking Black Heart if he was inferring that.

I thought it was a straight suggestion. If you were suggesting it ironically then one of these would help:-

Originally Posted by Looper

I thought it was a straight suggestion. If you were suggesting it ironically then one of these would help:-

Do suggestions have question marks?

You are being a silly language pedant about this. The possibility/suggestion that this may have been a ruse for financial gain was first floated in this thread by you. OK so it was in the form of question but the idea had not even occurred to me until I read your post so I would say that is a suggestion made by you in the form of a question.

Wouldn't you agree that new ideas can sometimes be presented as questions? (<-- look, this is a suggestion in the form of a question)

I took it at face value and you took offence because you were being ironic but it is difficult to divine irony from written text without appropriate indicators like smileys.

I'm assuming from the length of the thread that someone has posted about the Spirit Airline because some paranoid slapper saw an Arab watching news on his phone.

These Focks news viewers should not be allowed out, they're all terrified pussies.

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by pickel

What do you mean "too"?

Well I don't think we can really understand the situation without being there and seeing the context.

It could be that they were behaving perfectly reasonably and the woman who complained was out of order; or it could be that they were behaving suspiciously and deserved attention. In the latter case the behaviour may have been as a prank or as you suggested to engineer a situation which would allow them to take financial advantage of the airline/airport.

In any case I would be disappointed to see it turn into a litigation circus but if it was a prank or engineered then litigation is outrageous.

You're right, the kid who brought the clock to school in Texas was back in the news today, he wants $15 million for false arrest, and I've suspected from the start he simply outsmarted the school administration and the police.

'Clock Kid' Ahmed Mohamed, family suing Texas city, school for $15 million | Fox News

Originally Posted by Looper

^The other similar idea, that they might have been speaking Arabic as a deliberate wind-up, occurred to me too.

Do you live in a cupboard under the stairs? When you pass through an airport you hear various languages most of which many will not understand - people's natural and native tongue. Hardly likely to be a wind-up is it?

^It wasn't my suggestion It was Pickel's. We don't know the context for this situation. Maybe the lady was a paranoid asshat. Maybe the fellas were behaving suspiciously. We just don't know.

All I am saying is that we should not let occasions like this cause us lose sight of the possibility that racial profiling may have a legitimate and useful part to play at certain times within the fight against islamist terrorism.

Originally Posted by Looper

^It wasn't my suggestion It was Pickel's. We don't know the context for this situation. Maybe the lady was a paranoid asshat. Maybe the fellas were behaving suspiciously. We just don't know.

Of course she was a paranoid asshat. And so were several others on the plane by the sound of it.

Once on board, Khalil told NBC 5 that some passengers made him open a white box he was carrying

I would have told them all to fuck off and mind their own business.

Originally Posted by Looper

we should not let occasions like this cause us lose sight of the possibility that racial profiling

Seems it has been said enough but 'racial profiling' is mere racism; race has nothing to do with somebody being more likely to be a terrorist.

^Too simplistic an analysis.

So to take a hypothetical situation:-

There is a credible threat that on a particular day IS affiliated agents in the US are planning to bomb some kind of public gathering, lets say a public parade of some kind.

Lets say that the security force intelligence shows that 97% of IS recruits in the US are of middle eastern ethnic origin.

The bomb sniffer dogs have limited resources.

Is it OK for the dog handler boss to tell the handlers that they need to focus their attention on individuals of middle eastern appearance while searching the crowd?

Or is it better to keep our advanced moral standards upheld by not focussing resources on an ME profile but thereby knowingly increase the risk of a successful attack?

This is a news thread. There has been no news of a "credible threat" to that plane or airport on the "particular day" that the two passengers were overheard speaking Arabic, and it was passengers who created the initial fuss, not security staff, dog handlers, immigration staff or other airport staff.

Originally Posted by Looper

^Too simplistic an analysis.

So to take a hypothetical situation:-

So to take another hypothetical situation:-

You actually post something that isn't complete bollocks.

^^The story has been presented initially in a way that we are meant to scoff at the woman and the airline for their paranoia and stupidity but we don't know everything that happened or how the men were conducting themselves prior to boarding.

The woman may well have been overreacting or the men may possibly have been acting suspiciously.

The initial presentation of the story has led members to condemn the actions of the airline and in turn all racial profiling. I am saying that racial profiling is not always wrong and the above hypothetical scenario is designed to make you think about it a bit more.

Originally Posted by Looper

^^The story has been presented initially in a way that we are meant to scoff at the woman and the airline for their paranoia and stupidity but we don't know everything that happened or how the men were conducting themselves prior to boarding.

The woman may well have been overreacting or the men may possibly have been acting suspiciously.

The initial presentation of the story has led members to condemn the actions of the airline and in turn all racial profiling. I am saying that racial profiling is not always wrong and the above hypothetical scenario is designed to make you think about it a bit more.

Look at the fucking terrorist bastards eh.




What this was was a thick-as-shit Focks News viewer who's shat a brick because she's probably never heard Arabic spoken except on the IS videos Hannity shows.

And stupid fucking airline staff who should know better.

The two who were refused boarding are the ones that called the police.

They should have thrown the stupid fucking bitch off instead, and sacked the dopey twats that listened to her.

Originally Posted by Looper

Is it OK for the dog handler boss to tell the handlers that they need to focus their attention on individuals of middle eastern appearance while searching the crowd?

What say you HarryBarry?

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Looper

Is it OK for the dog handler boss to tell the handlers that they need to focus their attention on individuals of middle eastern appearance while searching the crowd?

What say you HarryBarry?

I say you're an idiot.

How Middle Eastern does this bloke look?

Here you go HarryBobo. You can ponder it at your leisure.

Originally Posted by Looper

There is a credible threat that on a particular day IS affiliated agents in the US are planning to bomb some kind of public gathering, lets say a public parade of some kind.

Lets say that the security force intelligence shows that 97% of IS recruits in the US are of middle eastern ethnic origin.

The bomb sniffer dogs have limited resources.

Is it OK for the dog handler boss to tell the handlers that they need to focus their attention on individuals of middle eastern appearance while searching the crowd?

Or is it better to keep our advanced moral standards upheld by not focussing resources on an ME profile but thereby knowingly increase the risk of a successful attack?

Originally Posted by Looper

^Too simplistic an analysis

Did you manage to type that with out pissing yourself laughing?

Originally Posted by Neverna

This is a news thread.

Loopy is working on having it moved to the doghouse.

Originally Posted by Looper

Here you go HarryBobo. You can ponder it at your leisure.

Originally Posted by Looper

There is a credible threat that on a particular day IS affiliated agents in the US are planning to bomb some kind of public gathering, lets say a public parade of some kind.

Lets say that the security force intelligence shows that 97% of IS recruits in the US are of middle eastern ethnic origin.

The bomb sniffer dogs have limited resources.

Is it OK for the dog handler boss to tell the handlers that they need to focus their attention on individuals of middle eastern appearance while searching the crowd?

Or is it better to keep our advanced moral standards upheld by not focussing resources on an ME profile but thereby knowingly increase the risk of a successful attack?

I thought I'd answered you by posting a picture of a non-Middle Eastern caucasian who was responsible for a terrorist bomb in the US.

But clearly you're so fucking dumb it went right over your head.

So while your fictitious, incredibly stupid, racist profilers are sniffing out pizza parlour owners like the ones who spoke Arabic at an airport, the caucasian terrorist will be free to go on his way and plot his murderous attack unimpeded, thanks to your gross stupidity.

How do you feel now?

الله أكبر

Originally Posted by Looper

^Too simplistic an analysis.

BS! Let me let you in on a little secret; I have a Muslim heritage Do I look ME? Ha ha I look like your average white joe, although my skin isn't white is just appears that way so if you racial profile me you are going to draw a blank.

Is it OK for the dog handler boss to tell the handlers that they need to focus their attention on individuals of middle eastern appearance while searching the crowd?

No; terrorists organizations are smart enough to realize that the least likely to draw attention are those that blend in. You really need to read up on security. Try reading a few books by Bruce Scheiener.

Or is it better to keep our advanced moral standards upheld by not focussing resources on an ME profile but thereby knowingly increase the risk of a successful attack?

Again your statement is BS and you are doing nothing more than stereotyping. Ever heard of the IRA? Not a muslim there so are all Irish terrorists?