Thread: Iran nuclear talks: 'Framework' deal agreed

This is why Republicans should never be trusted on foreign policy issues.

...Cotton continued his rant with his fears about Iran’s regional dominance:

“They already control Tehran and, increasingly, they control Damascus and Beirut and Baghdad. And now, Sena’a as well.”

First off, senator, Tehran is in the heart of Iran. It’s their Capital. As for the other cities you’re claiming they have a hold of, you’re clearly speaking of ISIS, a regional threat that Iran opposes as much as the US does.

Way to show your foreign policy knowledge. Sarah Palin would be proud.

Senator Tom Cotton Warns That Iran Must Be Stopped: ?They Already Control Tehran!? (VIDEO) | If You Only News

Yet it is Hillary, the darling of all you waste of space libtard democrip flag wavers who said she will attach Iran no matter about any deal.

THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.

Originally Posted by Humbert

This is why Republicans should never be trusted on foreign policy issues.

...Cotton continued his rant with his fears about Iran’s regional dominance:

“They already control Tehran and, increasingly, they control Damascus and Beirut and Baghdad. And now, Sena’a as well.”

First off, senator, Tehran is in the heart of Iran. It’s their Capital. As for the other cities you’re claiming they have a hold of, you’re clearly speaking of ISIS, a regional threat that Iran opposes as much as the US does.

Way to show your foreign policy knowledge. Sarah Palin would be proud.

Senator Tom Cotton Warns That Iran Must Be Stopped: ?They Already Control Tehran!? (VIDEO) | If You Only News

Well, ask yourself why the USA doesn't have an embassy in Tehran, I-ran?

btw, I'd prefer to have my sister working in a Whore House in Tehran, I-ran than to admit I was a left-wiing appeasing WI cheese-head!

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

I'd prefer to have my sister working in a Whore House in Tehran

Probably be a promotion for her though.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

btw, I'd prefer to have my sister working in a Whore House in Tehran

Having you as a brother, I think she would too.

When are we going to stop with this farce about Persian nukes, and talk about the terror regime which actually has hundreds of them? Along with missiles to deliver them to any target in Europe?

"I would give it an A": Why nuclear experts love the Iran deal - Vox

"Jeffrey Lewis was so eager to read the Iran nuclear deal that he woke up at 3:30 am California time to pore through all 150-plus pages of the text. Lewis is a nukes super nerd: He's the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, and also runs an excellent arms control blog network and arms control podcast and has a regular arms control column in Foreign Policy. He is the person to talk to on this.

When Lewis and I first spoke, in early 2015, he was skeptical, as a lot of arms control analysts were. He was skeptical that the US, world powers, and Iran would ever reach a nuclear deal. And he was skeptical that if they did reach a deal, it would be good enough. But when the negotiators released the "framework" in April, describing the broad strokes, Lewis came away impressed and happily surprised — but with some caveats and some unanswered questions.

I called up Lewis to see what he thought of the final deal. His assessment was very positive: Asked to grade the deal, he said, "I would give it an A."

Rest of article interview in the link.

Do you believe that both Russian interests and Chinese interests will work closely with American interests in making sure Iran allows unfettered inspections and oversight while adhering strictly to the agreements detail putting sanctions back in place if the agreement is breached ?

Essentially looking at the larger picture - do you believe this deal will increase the chance of war over or in the Middle East ?

Do you believe it will accelerate the nuclear arms race in the Middle East ?
For example , what will happen should Turkey , Egypt and the Saudis demand expanding their nuclear program ambitions ?

Obviously, Iran will be allowed to export oil in greater quantities and receive refined products in turn creating a large consumer nation population's hunger for several chosen 'allied interest' nations to feed and prosper.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

"I would give it an A": Why nuclear experts love the Iran deal - Vox

"Jeffrey Lewis was so eager to read the Iran nuclear deal that he woke up at 3:30 am California time to pore through all 150-plus pages of the text. Lewis is a nukes super nerd: He's the director of the East Asia Nonproliferation Program at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, and also runs an excellent arms control blog network and arms control podcast and has a regular arms control column in Foreign Policy. He is the person to talk to on this.

When Lewis and I first spoke, in early 2015, he was skeptical, as a lot of arms control analysts were. He was skeptical that the US, world powers, and Iran would ever reach a nuclear deal. And he was skeptical that if they did reach a deal, it would be good enough. But when the negotiators released the "framework" in April, describing the broad strokes, Lewis came away impressed and happily surprised — but with some caveats and some unanswered questions.

I called up Lewis to see what he thought of the final deal. His assessment was very positive: Asked to grade the deal, he said, "I would give it an A."

Rest of article interview in the link.

Stores - Vox is a largely discredited heavy left source. As a comparison to the other side, quotes from Stormfront for example are somewhat biased as well.

7 Devastating Facts About Obama’s Iran Nuclear Deal

Can't spin these, boys & girl

7 Devastating Facts About Obama?s Iran Nuclear Deal - Breitbart

^Breitbart is a largely discredited heavy right source. Can't spin that, either.

Kerry: I Never Sought ‘Anytime, Anywhere’ Inspections In Iran Negotiations



So they never actually sought real effective inspections, they just lied about it the whole time?

Imagine that...

Step 1 achieved, the orders in the post.



"20 July 2015 – The United Nations Security Council today unanimously adopted a resolution establishing a monitoring system for Iran’s nuclear programme and considering the “eventual removal” of all nuclear-related sanctions against the country.

By doing so, the Council endorsed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which is described as the “culmination” of diplomatic efforts by the so-called E3+3 – China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States – and Iran, “to reach a comprehensive, long-term and proper solution to the Iranian nuclear issue.”

Under that “historic” agreement, concluded in Vienna on 14 July, Iran reaffirmed “that it will under no circumstances ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.” The Council’s adoption of the current resolution triggers the JCPOA coming into effect in 90 days."

Originally Posted by OhOh

Step 1 achieved, the orders in the post.



"20 July 2015 – The United Nations Security Council today unanimously adopted a resolution establishing a monitoring system for Iran’s nuclear programme and considering the “eventual removal” of all nuclear-related sanctions against the country.

By doing so, the Council endorsed the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which is described as the “culmination” of diplomatic efforts by the so-called E3+3 – China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States – and Iran, “to reach a comprehensive, long-term and proper solution to the Iranian nuclear issue.”

Under that “historic” agreement, concluded in Vienna on 14 July, Iran reaffirmed “that it will under no circumstances ever seek, develop or acquire any nuclear weapons.” The Council’s adoption of the current resolution triggers the JCPOA coming into effect in 90 days."

Oh for gods sake, Bibi will have to draw another picture now to get all the rednecks and idiots frothing at the mouth again.

Wonder how he is going to spend the extra B$1.5 of american tax payers money that he took whilst turning his nose up saying "it is an insult and it would mean we accept the peace agreement which we do not..... oh, a cheque will do nicely. We will use it to bomb the shit out of young women and children next month".

Whilst Iran agrees to an imposed agreement according to the EU spokesperson to "make the world a safer place".

"Today is a historic day and it is a great honor for us to announce that we have reached an accord on the Iranian nuclear solution, to make our world safer"

Iran nuclear-free, Italy nuclearized, by Manlio Dinucci

US conducts first flight test of guided B61-12 nuclear bomb - 7/10/2015 - Flight Global

Italy?s Nuclear Anniversary: Fake Reassurance For a King?s Ransom - Federation Of American Scientists

The good old exceptional world powers updates their nuclear bombs.

The bombs will replace similar "dumb bombs" currently held in these European bases:



An exceptional coincidence?

OBAMA LIED: THERE ARE NO BALLISTIC MISSILE RESTRICTIONS IN IRAN DEAL

Imagine that!



President Barack Obama boasted last week that his administration forced Iran to accept an eight-year delay in the lifting of ballistic missile sanctions, when Iran wanted those restrictions canceled immediately. (Never mind that Iran made the demand at the last minute, raising a “non-nuclear” issue of the sort Obama says the U.S. could not make with regard to American captives.) Now, Obama’s brag turns out to have been a lie. There are no effective ballistic missile restrictions in the deal: Iran is merely “called upon” to refrain, voluntarily, from such technology.

The old text of UN Security Council Resolution 1929 (2010), reads (emphasis added):

…Iran shall not undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using ballistic missile technology, and that States shall take all necessary measures to prevent the transfer of technology or technical assistance to Iran related to such activities…

The Iran deal, as formalized by UN Security Council Resolution 2231 (2015), reads (emphasis added):

Iran is called upon not to undertake any activity related to ballistic missiles designed to be capable of delivering nuclear weapons, including launches using such ballistic missile technology, until the date eight years after the JCPOA Adoption Day or until the date on which the IAEA submits a report confirming the Broader Conclusion, whichever is earlier.

In his press conference last week, President Obama claimed that he had insisted, and won, an eight-year concession from the Iranians:

But what I said to our negotiators was, given that Iran has breached trust and the uncertainty of our allies in the region about Iran’s activities, let’s press for a longer extension of the arms embargo and the ballistic missile prohibitions. And we got that.

We got five years in which, under this new agreement, arms coming in and out of Iran are prohibited, and we got eight years for the respective ballistic missiles.

Yet since the deal was passed, Iranian leaders have claimed that it agreed to no restrictions on ballistic missiles, or that the UN Security Council resolution did not apply to its missile programs, since they are ostensibly not related to nuclear weapons."

Obama Lied: There Are No Ballistic Missile Restrictions in Iran Deal - Breitbart

So exactly did Obama get out of the deal? Don't believe there's been any mention of I-Ran's compliance on anything?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So exactly did Obama get out of the deal?

A lot more than the Russia/China/US/UK/France/India/Pakistan/Israel would agree too.

I've yet to see any evidence of the nuclear bombs he and others have been claiming, for years ,that Iran had.

It is a complete win for Iran. They had no plans for nuclear weapons at all, so for no concessions (well, for something they did not want anyway) they got the sanctions lifted.

Bibi only has IRAN the bogey man now to scare his people with. He can not use ISIS because he is part of the team funding arming and training them along with his Saudi buddies. He can not use Hamas because, well aside from the fact that Mossad set up Hamas, they really have fuck all now after the last massacre he launched to win the election. So he NEEDS to keep this road show going as long as possible to keep his psychopathic mits on israel.

Israel have been saying for decades that Iran are only 2 weeks away from having a nuke, and that they need to be destroyed. For decades.

Mean while, Ashton Carter is visiting Bibi to arrange the transference of the latest nuke technology from the US to them. Way to go you zionist shit heel.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So exactly did Obama get out of the deal?

A lot more than the Russia/China/US/UK/France/India/Pakistan/Israel would agree too.

I've yet to see any evidence of the nuclear bombs he and others have been claiming, for years ,that Iran had.

Well, it's not a done-deal anyhow. Protests are developing as we speak:

Over Ten Thousand Protest Iran Deal In Times Square In New York




What do you bet there's nothing in the Lamestream Media about this, eh?

Ex-Congressman Allen West Explodes Over Iran Deal During Fiery and Emotional Times Square Speech

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Protests aren't going to accomplish squat on the streets of NYC. This isn't a black man being gunned down.

The deal is out of the peoples hands in America.

Iran has enough oil for the lower-grade requirements of China and will put ample pressure on Saudi/ OPEC interests.
Add Iran's large population of potential consumers to business' interests (corporate) all over the world and the additional military kit requirements that will become necessary throughout the ME and that's what this deal is about.

Let's not humour ourselves about the underlying motives guided by Chinese , Russian and American interests.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

So exactly did Obama get out of the deal?

A lot more than the Russia/China/US/UK/France/India/Pakistan/Israel would agree too.

I've yet to see any evidence of the nuclear bombs he and others have been claiming, for years ,that Iran had.

Well, it's not a done-deal anyhow. Protests are developing as we speak:

Over Ten Thousand Protest Iran Deal In Times Square In New York




What do you bet there's nothing in the Lamestream Media about this, eh?

Ex-Congressman Allen West Explodes Over Iran Deal During Fiery and Emotional Times Square Speech

Looks very jewish