Thread: Obama: Pot 'not very different' to cigs

" So smoke the weed and fly, but don't you drink and drive"

In Thailand people are allowed to die on their motorcycles, so why they shouldn't be allowed to die on drugs ???

Originally Posted by Neo

I have to say I totally agree with decriminalization/legalisation because people are going to smoke dope, and decriminalization/legalisation separates them from the criminal elements that sell it. That association with criminality, if anything, is the gateway to harder drugs.

However... I know a person that smoked dope for a long time and when they started you got good quality hashish, home grown weed and stuff like Lebanese Green, Afghan Black, as time went on and dope became more accepted solids became adulterated to increase profits and hydroponic weed became the norm to get a clean smoke with a good high, but that also has been corrupted.

What I do know is that the old adage that smoking dope can't do you any harm is no longer true, sure it still won't kill you, but hydroponics these days can be extremely potent and are known to cause psychological problems, especially when the real high strength stuff is usually consumed by adolescents of all ages wrapped up in the the spiral of youthful bravado. Strains like White Widow and Jack Herer produce a narcotic high that can be psychologically addictive and therefore problematic with long term use.

But... decriminalization/legalisation can help, most obviously by reallocating resources from policing to counseling, and by making a wider range of choices available, such as different weed strains like Haze or Bio, which have a less pronounced high and also hashish that is free from adulteration.

It works, not everyone wants to get totally fried all the time, sometimes they just want to get a little mellow.

Licence and regulate the growers and tax on a progressive THC content scale.
That stuff where the heads ooze crystal thc beads is whack...

I doubt many of you have any idea how powerful the products actually are that they sell in the California shops. It is not the same as it was even 10 years ago. It's bordering narcotic territory. I challenge any of you to take a hit of wax off a vaporizer and see how the rest of your day goes. I'm not saying it won't be fun, but you will be profoundly stoned, more so than you thought possible.

And Obama is just saying this now because his staff and pollsters have seen the success and demand in Colorado and are attempting to make him look cool to the younger demographic which is starting to figure out that he has been a charlatan all along. Wow, how brave of you to say it now Barry.

What do you mean, "say it now"? It's a perfectly acceptable response to recent press questions when it's just gone legal.

He hasn't said he wants everyone to try it, has he?

Methinks some of you hillbillies just hate Obama for the sake of it. Is it because he's black?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Methinks some of you hillbillies just hate Obama for the sake of it. Is it because he's black?

You pullin' the Race Card too, harry?

We hate Obama 'cuz he's arrogant & inept. Color don't have nothin' to do with it...

Originally Posted by War Elephant

It's bordering narcotic territory. I

perfect to create a sub-culture, under-class.
and what if it's GM'd down the road.
isn't this happening in some places now.
it just ain't naturally grown in many places.
a lot lot more powerful.
but people just want to be off their heads,, out of it.

question is WHY.

the bs that kids get in 'education'
the seemingly unfairness that's dished out in society. rich and poor.
controlling nature of authority.
etc etc.

on the other side,, if it's natural weed, it brings one closer to nature.
and as shagnastier says, seeing that 'the effort is a waste of time' in some areas.


obama is a puppet and should spend less time on tv.

I once read that during the communist era, young men in Poland and Czechoslovakia and the Eastern Bloc would start drinking around age 13 or 14 and spend their entire lives in some state of intoxication. I guess alcohol was subsidized and readily available.

Maybe it will be that way with American men and THC products as we enter our communist era. I already know guys addicted to their vape pens. It makes you complacent and numb, willing to accept things.

Originally Posted by War Elephant

It makes you complacent and numb, willing to accept things.

These work better. Keep's the proletariat dumb and complacent.

So does fluoride.

Originally Posted by ENT

So does fluoride.

And Flu Vaccines.

And pussy.

Ban pussy.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The difference in the societal effects compared to Alcohol is huge. The difference in Health care costs compared to alcohol and tobacco is also huge.

Decriminalising it and regulating it is a far better option.

The US already has far too many people in prison for soft drug offences.

Obama is absolutely right to promote the discussion and the serious examination of the effects of decriminalisation in both Washington State and Colorado.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a retarded fucking idiot.

I agree with that.

Marijuana is medically legalized in Canada for those that can get a doctor's note saying they need it for health reasons. Things are changing in this field... 'tis a growing market and definitely not for the class that Obama is talking about.

Medical marijuana production in Canada set for dramatic change

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Brian Hutchinson | January 17, 2014 4:19 PM ET

VANCOUVER — Brendan Kennedy doesn’t fit the stereotypical image of a marijuana grower. Neither do his two partners at Privateer Holdings Inc., a Seattle-based venture capital firm. They are former software executives, all armed with MBAs. Mr. Kennedy, who is Privateer’s CEO, and Michael Blue, his CFO, were schooled at Yale
They’ve worked with Disney, Microsoft and Nextel. Now they’re risking millions of dollars on pot, and the corporatization of weed. Privateer has recently made marijuana-related investments in its home state of Washington, where adults may now legally possess cannabis for recreational use, and where wholesale production and retail store sales will begin this year. But Privateer’s involvement in Washington is peripheral, limited to companies that service marijuana growers and provide consumers with information.

“We don’t invest in U.S. companies that touch the product directly,” says Mr. Kennedy, noting the existing conflicts in state and federal law. They are not so shy about Canada. Privateer’s boldest, most hands-on investment is just a 40-minute flight north of Seattle, in pot-friendly Nanaimo, B.C.

Six weeks from now, the three Seattle sharpshooters expect they’ll have hired 40 full-time workers from around the province. They’ll be growing, processing and packaging for sale medical-grade marijuana inside a $3-million, 35,000-square-foot warehouse on the Nanaimo waterfront, next to a pulp and paper mill and just down the road from a BC Ferries terminal.

Privateer’s new Canadian subsidiary purchased the building this month. Mr. Kennedy expects to spend another $6.5-million to $7-million on capital improvements, including equipment required to raise potent marijuana plants. The venture capitalists might never have come to Nanaimo — or even considered crossing the border — had they not been encouraged by the Canadian government.
Medical marijuana production in Canada set for dramatic change | National Post

Originally Posted by War Elephant

Maybe it will be that way with American men and THC products as we enter our communist era. I already know guys addicted to their vape pens. It makes you complacent and numb, willing to accept things.

Ah, yes, the Stalinist Obama will reveal his true colours any day now, eh?

Yep, the '68 generation was really complacent and willing to accept things - that's what Marihuana does to people....

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Again same for work places, company's will need to up the drug testing, .

It's all in place already.

FFS Harry, yes of-cause Drug driving/working (that include certain prescription drugs) is illegal and has been for years in most Western Country's, but the fact is that there has been no easy way to detect it on the spot, and the Blood tests was very expensive,

Jeeshh, inform yourself, retard. Get on to the 21th century. They can instantly tell from a sweat sample.

Originally Posted by larvidchr

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

Good to see an honest approach right from the top...Unprecedented...

WTF..........??? The Man is plain dumb, it's right up there with the "he could be my son" remark about a violent waanabe nigga Gangsta scumbag.

Apart from all the known dangers in tobacco, the main difference is that you get high (impaired at some level) from pot, just like you can get dumb and drunk from drinking to much booze.

That difference is hugely significant.

But the minstrel in the White House is so engulfed in the race issue of many Nigga drug dealers in Jail, that his solution to the Black crime scourge in the US, is to legalise the Black crimes.

What will be next....... Black pimps? an African American polygamy cultural tradition, no different from any normal hetero marriage .

Ah, "Nigga" and "Black pimps", that's what legalising Cannabis is about...
We have a very sophiticated quality poster at work here.

Originally Posted by neemo

Originally Posted by War Elephant

Maybe it will be that way with American men and THC products as we enter our communist era. I already know guys addicted to their vape pens. It makes you complacent and numb, willing to accept things.

Ah, yes, the Stalinist Obama will reveal his true colours any day now, eh?

Yep, the '68 generation was really complacent and willing to accept things - that's what Marihuana does to people....

Listen baby boomer, what myself and some other well informed people here are trying to say to you and the other boomers commenting on this matter is that what is being legalized is not only marijuana in plant form as you may have once known it, but a whole range of products and strains modified and synthesized to maximize the THC content and narcotic properties.

I'm sure the class of 68 or whatever had a grand old time 'toking reefers' of 'Acapulco Gold' in their apartments with the blinds drawn, candles lit, Joan Baez on the turntable, and talking about what a mean racist Richard Nixon was. That's a laughing stock now, but at least they were passionate in their beliefs and were experiencing something new.

It's different now. What I'm concerned about for the generation younger than me is both the product available and the method of consumption, both of which I believe have addictive elements: USB charged, hand held vaporizer pens loaded with a wide variety of flavored tinctures, waxes, hash oils and keef, and a wide range of edibles. In Colorado they sell hash-infused Jolly Ranchers. In LA and Vegas I already see guys walking around like zombies, hooked on their vape pens. It worries me because in general I don't think it's good for kids to do drugs, and they're making it pretty easy. While I agree that vastly unjust sentences have been given for soft drug offenses, I don't think that most people, The President of the US included, are fully aware of what could be coming.

I think they're aware that the war on drugs is a losing one. Designer drugs are coming out with monotonous regularity, faster than the legislation to ban them.

Providing a safe way for people to get a regulated legal high has to be preferable to sending them underground where fuck knows what they are getting.