Jimmy Savile Paedophile accusations

**Thetyim** · 13-11-2012, 02:04 PM

^
Jeremy Beadle for me. I can't stand the sight of him

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 13-11-2012, 02:45 PM

Beadle looked well knackered by the end.
(Am reminded that his colleague Matthew Kelly was falsely accused of fiddling with boys)

**Thetyim** · 13-11-2012, 02:55 PM

Aaaaarrgh, I feel sick

**alwarner** · 13-11-2012, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Thetyim

^
Jeremy Beadle for me. I can't stand the sight of him

I heard on the grapevine that Beadle had a small hand in this.

**themanfrommontrose** · 13-11-2012, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Begbie

It's hard not to believe that the BBC has now been co-opted into a cover up in which the victims are portrayed as deranged.

Well spotted

**themanfrommontrose** · 13-11-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Am reminded that his colleague Matthew Kelly was falsely accused of fiddling with boys)

probably .wrongly cause he sounded limp wristed ,

**themanfrommontrose** · 13-11-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

We want big names from the disgusting seventies. Keith Chegwin Mike Yarwood Windsor Davies Richard Briers Frank Bough Willie Carson Kendo Nagasaki The Brotherhood of Man

and Kent 'fucking' Walton who compered wrestling in the 60s /70s .with his stupid mid Atlantic accent

he made also porno films in his spare time !!

**alwarner** · 13-11-2012, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Beadle looked well knackered by the end.
(Am reminded that his colleague Matthew Kelly was falsely accused of fiddling with boys)

Behave. Lighting totally different, make-up, beard... photos taken 5 years apart...

**themanfrommontrose** · 13-11-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by alwarner

I heard on the grapevine that Beadle had a small hand in this.

He had small hands , well I never ,but then again small orifices need small penetrators

**ENT** · 13-11-2012, 04:02 PM

When Messham named Lord McAlpine as being of the same name as another relative of his living in the same district, was he referring to:

Alfred James McAlpine was born on 15 June 1908, died 1991. He was the son of Sir Alfred David McAlpine and Ethel May Williams.
He married, firstly, Peggy Barbara Saunders, daughter of John Ernest Sanders, on 24 June 1931. He and Peggy Barbara Saunders were divorced in 1940. He married, secondly, Mary Kinder Read, daughter of Frank Musgrave Read, on 1 April 1940. He and Mary Kinder Read were divorced in 1951. He married, thirdly, Rosemary Gregory-Hood, daughter of Major Charles Hugh Gregory-Hood and Dorothy Brooks, on 17 September 1951.3 He and Rosemary Gregory-Hood were divorced in 1959.3 He married Eleanor Margaret Rangel-Wallace Wallace, daughter of John Nicholson Wallace, on 27 October 1959.2 He and Eleanor Margaret Rangel-Wallace Wallace were divorced. In 1979 married 5th •Cynthia Greenaway, daughter of Harry Whitney He died in 1991.

Chm: Marchwiel Hldgs Ltd, Sir Alfred McAlpine and Sons Ltd and assoc cos. He was educated Repton.

Alfred James McAlpine usually went by his middle name of James. He lived at Gerwyn Hall, Marchwiel, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales.

Children of Alfred James McAlpine and Peggy Barbara Saunders

Robert James McAlpine+1 b. 6 May 1932
Alfred William McAlpine1 b. 9 Feb 1935 died 1962.

Meanwhile, 30 minutes drive away was;

Dir Sir Alfred McAlpine & Son Ltd and Westminster Property.3 He lived at Swettenham Hall, Tarporley, Cheshire, England. He was educated Harrow.3 He held the office of High Sheriff of Cheshire in 1984.1 He lived in 2003 at Tilston Lodge, Tilston Fearnall, Tarporley, Cheshire CW6 9HS.

Was Messham confusing the two? Or was he referring to the Lord McAlpine living in Wrexham, the town in the centre of the North Wales abuse allegations?

He did say that the deceased relative of similar name lived in the same district as his kinsman.

Robert Alistair McAlpine, Baron McAlpine of West Green, now defending himself of allegations made by Messham is a grandson of Sir Alfred McAlpine.

**alwarner** · 13-11-2012, 04:12 PM

^Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't. They above proves nothing though.

**alwarner** · 13-11-2012, 04:14 PM

Especially seeing as he would have been 71 in 1979 and still abusing the fella.

**ENT** · 13-11-2012, 04:35 PM

Age is no barrier.

**alwarner** · 13-11-2012, 04:43 PM

You're right, in much the same way that saying "he was referring to x" without any other evidence proves nothing either!

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 13-11-2012, 05:04 PM

I was once dining with a couple of gay DJs in Joe Allen's in London, and at the next table was Rene from Allo Allo with a very pretty blond boy.

**ENT** · 13-11-2012, 05:45 PM

More Masonic connections.

**ENT** · 13-11-2012, 06:49 PM

Which McAlpine?
THE McALPINE COCKUP: Keeping a sense of perspective

Putting the wrong Mcalpine in the frame is a disaster for the BBC, but it doesn’t make the search for perverts a witch-hunt.

Ken Clarke….absolutely nothing whatever to do with Welsh care-home abuse

Without in any way wishing to prolong Lord McAlpine’s agony in relation to those who wrongly accused him of paedophiliac tendencies (and Welsh Care Home abuse) the fact that the perpetrator was probably James ‘Jimmie’ McAlpine is unlikely to go away….any more than a ‘prominent Cabinet Member’ should now disappear from the media radar.

Lord McAlpine | A diary of deception and distortion

**alwarner** · 13-11-2012, 07:15 PM

Still not proof.

**ENT** · 13-11-2012, 09:21 PM

So which Lord McAlpine was suggestedand referred to in the first investigation of Bryn Estyn, Wrexham?

Lord Jimmy McAlpine, of Wrexham, a known pest of boys.

His son Lord Bobby McAlpine, down the road at Tarpoley, Cheshire, Sherriff of Cheshire, 1984?

Or Lord Alistair McAlpine from Hampshire?

It could have been either Jim or Bobby McAlpine, the only two Lords McAlpine living in the district with names that could be confused, one of whom is since dead. As Messham said.

**alwarner** · 13-11-2012, 10:14 PM

It could be him, but, nothing you've posted is proof and the credibility of the witness is shot. They've either fucked up, or, it's being covered up.

**ENT** · 14-11-2012, 08:36 AM

Dbl post deleted.

**ENT** · 14-11-2012, 09:06 AM

9 November 2012
A victim of sexual abuse while he was a resident of a north Wales care home has apologised for making false allegations against a Conservative politician.

Steve Messham said police had shown him a picture of his abuser but incorrectly told him the man was Lord McAlpine.

The BBC's Newsnight reported his claims against a leading 1980s Tory politician but did not name Lord McAlpine.
The BBC apologised "unreservedly" for airing it and announced an "immediate pause" in Newsnight investigations.
Meanwhile, Lord McAlpine's solicitor says he will take legal action against those who later named and linked him to the claims.
Mr Messham has offered "sincere and humble apologies" to the peer and his family.

In a statement on Friday evening Mr Messham said: "After seeing a picture in the past hourof the individual concerned,""this [is] not the person I identified by photograph presented to me by the police in the early 1990s, who told me the man in the photograph was Lord McAlpine."

Continue reading the main story Related Storie

So which local McAlpines was the cop referring to?There were only two of the same name at that time;Jimmy, since deceased in 1991, lived near Bryn Estyn, Wrexham, and his son Bobby, the Sheriiff of Cheshire, lived at Tarporle, Cheshire, a half hour away at that time.

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 14-11-2012, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

Mr Messham has offered "sincere and humble apologies" to the peer and his family.

Inadequate. Sue him. Take all his net worth.
This clown has made a career from claiming to have had his knob twiddled a few times.

**Mr Lick** · 15-11-2012, 07:58 PM

Sir Cyril Smith abuse claims: Blue plaque taken down

Sir Cyril Smith was MP for Rochdale from 1972 to 1992

A blue plaque honouring the late Rochdale MP Sir Cyril Smith has been taken down following allegations that he indecently assaulted young boys.

The council said removing the plaque from Rochdale Town Hall was a "neutral act" to prevent vandalism.

On Tuesday, Rochdale MP Simon Danczuk called for a "full investigation" into allegations that Sir Cyril indecently assaulted boys in care.

Sir Cyril's brother said the former MP had denied the allegations.

The plaque was unveiled last year by former Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell.

Councillor Colin Lambert (Labour), the leader of Rochdale Council, said: "This is not a judgement on either Sir Cyril Smith or anyone else."

He added: "We discussed this at a meeting last night and had decided to leave it up but we received information that it could be damaged overnight and took it down because this would be a danger to the town hall."

On Wednesday Barry Fitton, one of three alleged victims from a Rochdale care home, claimed that the former MP smacked him and stroked his buttocks.

Mr Danczuk (Labour) told the Commons that claims against the late MP had "circulated for years".

Lancashire Police said an investigation was "believed" to have taken place in the 1960s, but "no records are held".

Mr Danczuk said police "should consider reopening the case".

Manchester-based solicitors Pannone confirmed they were currently dealing with an allegation of abuse against Sir Cyril, who died in 2010.

**themanfrommontrose** · 15-11-2012, 08:05 PM

It was well known in the 70s that he was a kiddy fiddler , lot of contact with young children ,

lived with his mother as well !!

seems it was accepted then

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