What's so bad about TEFLing?

**terry57** · 15-08-2011, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

typical TEFLer remark, according to Terry in post #18

Welcome back Doc, its been awesome without you but your gaff is still a winner.

**kingwilly** · 15-08-2011, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

Being a teacher in Australia is hard work, there power has been taken away by the PC brigade which has removed there power as far as any physical discipline is concerned.

That's not the reason it is hard work. Any teacher that has to resort to physical discipline has already lost.

**terry57** · 15-08-2011, 07:45 PM

^

Your more than likely correct Willy but it worked on my mates and my self back in the 70's.

I will never debate that question with you because its so friggin hard knowing what way to approach the discipline question these days.

The only real path to a good education is to have quality parents that embellish the importance of respect for adults and Teachers.

**terry57** · 15-08-2011, 07:58 PM

I can see JJ scouting out this thread.

JJ is an educator in the Northern Australia with our Aboriginals and I will even give JJ some respect for doing this.

**kingwilly** · 15-08-2011, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

but it worked on my mates and my self back in the 70's.

did it really ? Think back to some of your teachers, the ones that hit you all the time ? Surely, you (or your mates) just laughed at them, tried to wind them up more. It's like being on teakdoor and once someone starts losing it, you do everything you can to wind them up.

Originally Posted by terry57

I will never debate that question with you because its so friggin hard knowing what way to approach the discipline question these days.

Combination of things, start with clear rules and boundaries, a level of scalability of punishments, teachers and principals following up promptly and efficiently, teachers need to earn respect instead of demanding it, teachers also need to show a genuine interest in the students, eg: helping coach their footy team, organising school camps, being involved in school plays, that sort of thing. Teachers need to be fair and consistent, they do not need to try and be the students' best friends.

Number one rule is do not make a threat that they cannot back up and not to get involved in a public confrontation. Discipline starts on the first day and needs to be built up over time.

That is why one teacher can walk into a room and with one raised eyebrow can have an entire class silent and behaved whereas another can walk into a room and start screaming and yelling and still not get any student to listen or look up.

Originally Posted by terry57

The only real path to a good education is to have quality parents that embellish the importance of respect for adults and Teachers.

Certainly helps a lot.

**dirtydog** · 15-08-2011, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

The only real path to a good education is to have quality parents that embellish the importance of respect for adults and Teachers.

Originally Posted by terry57

the Head Master canned the fok out of me and my mate in grade 7 but that was for pissing over the wall onto the girls heads in there shitter.

So thats what happens when you have quality Aussie parents, I can see where it all went wrong for you terry.....

**terry57** · 15-08-2011, 08:09 PM

^

Fair enough Willy, all I will say is that I never got canned for something I did not deserve to be canned for.

I was guilty every time, same as my mommy giving me a belting, guilty again hence why I have no time for todays shite where theres no consequence for ones action.

Thats why the kids of today are laughing at any sort of discipline, they have had none.

**terry57** · 15-08-2011, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

So thats what happens when you have quality Aussie parents, I can see where it all went wrong for you terry.....

Suppose it could of been worse DD, I could of been born your bastard twin in Bournemouth and ended up with Herpes living in Pattaya.

**The Fresh Prince** · 15-08-2011, 11:11 PM

Teachers, can never stop talking about teaching.

**DrAndy** · 16-08-2011, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by terry57

Suppose it could of been worse DD, I could of been born your bastard twin in Bournemouth and ended up with Herpes living in Pattaya.

who is Herpes, and is he/she cute?

**Stumpy** · 16-08-2011, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Quote:
Originally Posted by terry57
I will never debate that question with you because its so friggin hard knowing what way to approach the discipline question these days.
Combination of things, start with clear rules and boundaries, a level of scalability of punishments, teachers and principals following up promptly and efficiently, teachers need to earn respect instead of demanding it, teachers also need to show a genuine interest in the students, eg: helping coach their footy team, organising school camps, being involved in school plays, that sort of thing. Teachers need to be fair and consistent, they do not need to try and be the students' best friends.

^All well stated and it has to be coupled with parents who care and are involved with their children. In the US people are to busy working to care about their children. Its all about choices. Having a child sounds so wonderful until the reality of parenting sets in. I volunteered for so many things for my daughters. Early years I did the camping trips volunteer, School Field trips to various activities, Later was the swim coach and Girl Scouts. In High School I was guest speaker in a few of their business classes. Both my daughters are socially adapted. They know I cared about them and supported them. They were never in trouble.

One thing I never allowed and I think it had one of the largest impacts was they did not have a TV, computer, telephone in their bedroom. This kept them out of their rooms to be social and doing things. If for some reason they were to be disciplined their cell phone was taken and their room was truly a timeout. They had nothing in there to do. Usually 10 minutes was enough. Too many kids nowadays have everything in their room. So when a parent wants to punish they send them there where they have everything.

**terry57** · 16-08-2011, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

who is Herpes, and is he/she cute?

Ask DD, he's knows all about it, I think Herpes is a mate of the Katoey's or something like that.

**Thormaturge** · 16-08-2011, 09:59 AM

When I was at school there were disruptive and even violent pupils, but I do remember the Maths teacher being an intelligent man who was also a good teacher. The entire class passed their CSE's at Grade 1.

His ability and attitude gained him respect, even from the unruly mob.

Capable teachers who make pupils feel they have a future gain their respect and attention. "Fake" teachers gain their derision. He never resorted to violence and never sent anyone to the Head. I would say, however, that he could give as good as he got, and then some.

**Bangyai** · 16-08-2011, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Fresh Prince

Teachers, can never stop talking about teaching.

Now that is true.

When I used to meet up of an evening at the Woodstock with other sufferers of
' white board glare ' , it usually took several hourse, a few beers and a couple of joints in the bogs before we were sufficiently mellow to change the subject. And thats just the ones who could talk. Some had their brains so badly fried they would just stare into space for an hour or two.

Worst job I was ever given was to teach business English to a mixed class of company students out at Navanakorn business park. Served me right for having a motorcycle. It was the rainy season and I often turned up like a drowned rat to teach bored people how to send a fax or write a business report, neither of which I had ever had to do or IMO have anything to do with mastering the English language.

**nidhogg** · 16-08-2011, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by Bangyai

to teach bored people how to send a fax or write a business report, neither of which I had ever had to do or IMO have anything to do with mastering the English language.

Thats probably the point. They did not want to master the English language, they just wanted to use it - knowing the past pluperfect maybe the dogs bollocks, but writing a fax might be a daily task.

**OneSureThing** · 17-08-2011, 07:05 AM

I taught English in Bangkok for a few years. All in all, it was a good deal and an enjoyable and daresay, rewarding experience. I made roughly between 65,000 - 80,000 baht per month. Many of the other teachers I hung out with also made roughly those figures, some made more, some didn't want the extra hassle of teaching privates, thus made less. This changed from month to month depending on the number of private students I took on. I got 50,000 from my full time school gig (which was at a bilingual school), the rest from private students after school. I never worked weekends. I was never short of work, especially once you get to know the parents and their friends. I often had to turn down work from prospective adult students.

I think that the whole 30,000 baht thing is quite a bit off. I wouldn't ever work for that amount (not that I was earning big bucks or anything) . I haven't come across many jobs that pay that little. Maybe it is a case of newbie, fresh off the boat teachers with no experience and no qualifications who take what they can get. I certainly don't know any teachers who have been living in Thailand for a few years on that low a salary.

Currently I am in the UK and start teaching at a disadvantaged School on the outskirts of London. This is after completing a PGCE (Teacher training course). I believe, like any career, you get back what you put into it. With prices, bills, tax etc in the UK, the gig I had in Bangkok enabled me to a better standard of living. However I am intent on doing a few years in the UK, so that I can have both the experience and competence to further my future in education.

**barbaro** · 17-08-2011, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by The Fresh Prince

Teachers, can never stop talking about teaching.

I rarely if ever talk about it.

I don't talk about teaching.

I don't talk about staff room/colleagues/management/admin/gossip.

And I don't hangout with people who talk about teaching/work.

It's a part time job which I do enjoy - I save at least $1,300 USD per month doing it.

It's not bad.

Why someone would do it in Thailand is beyond me, but to each their own.

**DrAndy** · 17-08-2011, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by terry57

I was guilty every time, same as my mommy giving me a belting, guilty again hence why I have no time for todays shite where theres no consequence for ones action. Thats why the kids of today are laughing at any sort of discipline, they have had none.

so what is corporal punishment for, Terry? is it just a brutal direct punishment for what you did, or is it something that is used as a deterrent so you will not offend again?

**Cujo** · 17-08-2011, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by terry57

I was guilty every time, same as my mommy giving me a belting, guilty again hence why I have no time for todays shite where theres no consequence for ones action. Thats why the kids of today are laughing at any sort of discipline, they have had none.

so what is corporal punishment for, Terry? is it just a brutal direct punishment for what you did, or is it something that is used as a deterrent so you will not offend again?

So next time you'll think about the slap you got last time and reconsider your proposed course of action I suppose.
Having said that I was never corporally punished as a kid.
I do smack my 5 year old on the arse though, if he pushes it to the limit. (one sharp smack, not enough to make him cry and after repeated threats)
I'll tell you what, next time I threaten him he knows I mean it and calms down.

**DrAndy** · 17-08-2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Koojo

So next time you'll think about the slap you got last time and reconsider your proposed course of action I suppose.

you really think kids think like that?

**Carrabow** · 17-08-2011, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Koojo

So next time you'll think about the slap you got last time and reconsider your proposed course of action I suppose.

you really think kids think like that?

They understand that every action has a reaction. Basic enough even for you.

**Cujo** · 17-08-2011, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Koojo

So next time you'll think about the slap you got last time and reconsider your proposed course of action I suppose.

you really think kids think like that?

I don't think it's a concious thought. More like shock therapy.
Cows don't think too much about the electric fence but after a couple of harmless shocks they stay away because something tells them that thing is bad news.

**kingwilly** · 17-08-2011, 04:23 PM

Civilised countries have banned smacking.

**Carrabow** · 17-08-2011, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Civilised countries have banned smacking.

Im out in the sticks, we still do it.

We are not Civilised by any means

**Cujo** · 18-08-2011, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Civilised countries have banned smacking.

Personally I don't think any 'country' has the right to tell me how to bring up my kids.

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